Quote from: Ratman_tf on May 08, 2021, 09:10:15 PMSome of us old farts remember when the moderators used to make fun of furries and claim the place was never going to be a "safe space".

I distinctly remember mockery of the Trouble Tickets petition demanding an "emotionally safe environment", and moderator Cessna saying that when a furry complains, "I always imagine a guy standing there in a squirrel suit saying, "Don't laugh at me."" I assume he's banned by now.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on May 08, 2021, 09:08:41 PM

Quote from: Reckall on May 08, 2021, 05:56:18 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on May 08, 2021, 05:33:14 PM
I took it as a careless use of the word. Maybe she thinks she does have an example of Tolkien "demonizing" women. I can't think of one.

One of the earliest examples of wokeism (already heard before the movies) is the condemnation of Tolkien as "patriarchal" because when Eowyn can finally freely choose her future she decides to abandon armor and weapons, and to become an healer. "(screech!) And of course at the end she is relegated to the usual female jobs! (/screech!)"

That what Eowyn represents, in a nutshell, is the female battle to get free and freely choose is, obviously, missed. That Aragorn, Faramir and Eomer recognise how her inability to freely act was driving her literally mad doesn't exist in this interpretation of the book. Faramir tells her that she can be what she wants, and that's what Eowyn finally does. But, no, she had to choose a specific thing - that was the only way to be free. No, really

A curious argument, since after the war, everyone was dedicating themselves to cleaning up the mess left by Sauron. And the prophecy of "The hands of the king being the hands of a healer" which Aragorn was considered to have fulfilled when he healed Eowyn and Merry and other soldiers struck by the Black Breath.
After the war, everyone became a healer in their own fashion.

That's an interesting point. Of course Tolkien would have hated it, since he hated "symbolism" and "analogies". But it is true that Eowyn first had a full warrior arc (she trained in secret, killed the Lord of the Nazgûls and smartly retired when at the top ). I remember that when I first read the book I was both happy for her gained freedom and her ultimate choice (which can even be seen as another way to understand what her love for Aragorn really meant). I mean... I was 14 at the time. It shouldn't be so hard.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron on May 09, 2021, 05:04:46 AM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on May 08, 2021, 09:10:15 PMSome of us old farts remember when the moderators used to make fun of furries and claim the place was never going to be a "safe space".

I distinctly remember mockery of the Trouble Tickets petition demanding an "emotionally safe environment", and moderator Cessna saying that when a furry complains, "I always imagine a guy standing there in a squirrel suit saying, "Don't laugh at me."" I assume he's banned by now.

Banned? Who is this Cessna guy? He never existed...

For a site that liked to bitch about rpg.net banning people i see several users seems to be banned.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron on May 09, 2021, 05:04:46 AM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on May 08, 2021, 09:10:15 PMSome of us old farts remember when the moderators used to make fun of furries and claim the place was never going to be a "safe space".

I distinctly remember mockery of the Trouble Tickets petition demanding an "emotionally safe environment", and moderator Cessna saying that when a furry complains, "I always imagine a guy standing there in a squirrel suit saying, "Don't laugh at me."" I assume he's banned by now.

He is not banned, but he hasn't been a mod for a long time, his last moderator action being a year ago.

Quote from: The Thing on May 09, 2021, 05:20:45 AM
For a site that liked to bitch about rpg.net banning people i see several users seems to be banned.

I mean Matt

The madness crept in long before Trump. Anybody remember that GW guy?
And I would love to reread the topics about Clinton's trial, and compare them to Pussygate, but I logged off in January and haven't been back since then* (except when I inadvertently click on one of your links to Banistan).

*) and except the one time, when I wanted to read something about Soulbound.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron on May 08, 2021, 07:00:04 PM
Of course, this would require a lot of hard work and discipline.

Reeeee!  How DARE you!  Such a god damned fascist.

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Quote from: The Thing on May 09, 2021, 05:20:45 AM
For a site that liked to bitch about rpg.net banning people i see several users seems to be banned.

I mean Matt

Seconded

Hi Matt welcome back.

See, the funny thing for me is that it's not 'they ban people' that annoys me about RPGnet.

It's their sandbox. Just like this is Pundit's sandbox. They make the rules, they decide who gets the boot if they get too uppity. Anyone who's spent any time on a moderated forum of ANY type will recognize this. It's like dealing with the GM; in the end, they make the ruling.

What I object to is TBP's mod team being flagrantly, almost absurdly hypocritical and inconsistent, to the point where it resembles a darkly comic parody of East Germany.

Matt got shitcanned for (a) inserting politics into the RPG threads, which Pundit has specifically told us not to do, and then (b) practically twerking at Pundit and saying 'I'm not going to leave my own thread and you can't make me!'. I was just a BIT agog at that one. I am amused that then Matt decided to go make a second account on TBP, and got almost instantly banned again -- not because they detected his sockpuppetry, but for being unable to control his ranting and raving.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 09, 2021, 11:27:57 AM
Matt got shitcanned for (a) inserting politics into the RPG threads, which Pundit has specifically told us not to do, and then (b) practically twerking at Pundit and saying 'I'm not going to leave my own thread and you can't make me!'. I was just a BIT agog at that one. I am amused that then Matt decided to go make a second account on TBP, and got almost instantly banned again -- not because they detected his sockpuppetry, but for being unable to control his ranting and raving.

I was the original culprit in that episode: it was me who started to "go political" in an RPG thread (about Covid and masks IIRC). After a while The Pundit arrived and gave a warning. It was both a just and fair warning. I thought "Oh sh*t, I peed out of the cup!" and shut up.

What surprised me was the only guy in that thread who, instead, blew a gasket. If there is one infraction on RPG.net I agree with is the "Press Conference" post, and we got those again and again - until the ban fell. Some other posters warned him over and over but the situation, post after post, only worsened. Maybe it is a form of OCD - I truly don't know.

Quote from: The Thing on May 09, 2021, 05:20:45 AM
For a site that liked to bitch about rpg.net banning people i see several users seems to be banned.

Yes, if you intentionally break the site rules and try to piss off Pundit you run the risk of him eventually getting fed up and banning you. Nobody I can recall is calling for no moderation.

Quote from: The Thing on May 09, 2021, 05:20:45 AM
For a site that liked to bitch about rpg.net banning people i see several users seems to be banned.

You mean the ones who deliberately defied the site rules and the mods and kept posting stuff told not to well after being warned and given a chance to stop? Yeah those? Or the rare few that stretch back several years rather than all at once?

Prior to that one thread blow up people getting banned was few and far between. And even in the thread alot happened, some were pretty much begging for it. And even so there were only a few that did.

I've seen at best maybe one ban per year.

Compare that to BGG and other even more heavy handed sites where bans fly left and right.

Quote from: Omega on May 10, 2021, 09:47:38 PM

Quote from: The Thing on May 09, 2021, 05:20:45 AM
For a site that liked to bitch about rpg.net banning people i see several users seems to be banned.

You mean the ones who deliberately defied the site rules and the mods and kept posting stuff told not to well after being warned and given a chance to stop? Yeah those? Or the rare few that stretch back several years rather than all at once?

Prior to that one thread blow up people getting banned was few and far between. And even in the thread alot happened, some were pretty much begging for it. And even so there were only a few that did.

I've seen at best maybe one ban per year.

Compare that to BGG and other even more heavy handed sites where bans fly left and right.

It's like getting kicked out of the 5-star restaurant because you DARED wear a red tie instead of black! How DARE YOU! Then you go down the street to the biker bar and they literally don't give one fuck what you're up to but you start harassing the bartender for being a feckless ogre because he's wearing a Twisted Sister t-shirt he got back in '83 at the Meadowlands and should be wearing something more civilized like a tuxedo if he wants anyone of high breeding to come into his broken down establishment and yeah this place needs to be cleaned and the tables need to be replaced and you don't have Dom Perignon and instead just offer whiskey and beer? HOW DARE YOU! So then a couple bikers tell him to shut up because he's being annoying and then they kick his ass and the bartender throws him outside since he literally just won't stop being so fucking ridiculous, then he complains about how the biker bar is arguably worse than the restaurant because they say they don't care and threw him out anyway.

Or something like that.

Quote from: Brad on May 11, 2021, 10:33:42 AM

Quote from: Omega on May 10, 2021, 09:47:38 PM

Quote from: The Thing on May 09, 2021, 05:20:45 AM
For a site that liked to bitch about rpg.net banning people i see several users seems to be banned.

You mean the ones who deliberately defied the site rules and the mods and kept posting stuff told not to well after being warned and given a chance to stop? Yeah those? Or the rare few that stretch back several years rather than all at once?

Prior to that one thread blow up people getting banned was few and far between. And even in the thread alot happened, some were pretty much begging for it. And even so there were only a few that did.

I've seen at best maybe one ban per year.

Compare that to BGG and other even more heavy handed sites where bans fly left and right.

It's like getting kicked out of the 5-star restaurant because you DARED wear a red tie instead of black! How DARE YOU! Then you go down the street to the biker bar and they literally don't give one fuck what you're up to but you start harassing the bartender for being a feckless ogre because he's wearing a Twisted Sister t-shirt he got back in '83 at the Meadowlands and should be wearing something more civilized like a tuxedo if he wants anyone of high breeding to come into his broken down establishment and yeah this place needs to be cleaned and the tables need to be replaced and you don't have Dom Perignon and instead just offer whiskey and beer? HOW DARE YOU! So then a couple bikers tell him to shut up because he's being annoying and then they kick his ass and the bartender throws him outside since he literally just won't stop being so fucking ridiculous, then he complains about how the biker bar is arguably worse than the restaurant because they say they don't care and threw him out anyway.

Or something like that.

I have lived that analogy. I've played in and tended in those bars. If you're chill, you don't get thrown out.