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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #795 on: May 08, 2021, 06:21:40 PM »
I took it as a careless use of the word. Maybe she thinks she does have an example of Tolkien "demonizing" women. I can't think of one.

One of the earliest examples of wokeism (already heard before the movies) is the condemnation of Tolkien as "patriarchal" because when Eowyn can finally freely choose her future she decides to abandon armor and weapons, and to become an healer. "(screech!) And of course at the end she is relegated to the usual female jobs! (/screech!)"

That what Eowyn represents, in a nutshell, is the female battle to get free and freely choose is, obviously, missed. That Aragorn, Faramir and Eomer recognise how her inability to freely act was driving her literally mad doesn't exist in this interpretation of the book. Faramir tells her that she can be what she wants, and that's what Eowyn finally does. But, no, she had to choose a specific thing - that was the only way to be free. No, really ::)

Wasn't it Jordan Peterson (who despite having multiple lectures online on how horrible Hitler was and why fascism is a bad thing is somehow consided alt-right on RPG.net) who pointed out that in the countries with the most egalitarian freedom (i.e the scandinavian countries) women still picked the usual "female jobs" by their own accord?

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #796 on: May 08, 2021, 07:00:04 PM »
It is not enough that the person has a free choice - they must make the right free choice! No, not that one! Choose the other!

The only reason I can think of for this is that the person wants to see more women be warriors. To which I say: many Western armies now allow women in combat roles. So a man who wants to see them can join up, and a woman who wants to see them can join up and become one. Of course, this would require a lot of hard work and discipline.
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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #797 on: May 08, 2021, 07:10:13 PM »
Remember the time the Iraqis captured a female American soldier and the news was all like, "oh no!  what are they going to do with her" and the Iraqis were all like, "oh no, how can we give her back as fast as possible?"
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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #798 on: May 08, 2021, 08:51:27 PM »
It's a bit weird that a board dominated by people who are so sensitive about violence to the vulnerable could so much enjoy a show which has a lot of lurid depictions of sexualised violence against women, including an instance or two of a woman being raped and then falling in love with her rapist, or coming to enjoy the experience. And of course, where someone comes to lead an army of enslaved men who have suffered amputatory genital mutilation.

I would have thought the content is... "Problematic", to say the least.

People got into Game of Thrones before this woke stuff really took off, so it sort of gets grandfathered in.  People then pretend that the grim content wasn't part of why they liked it in the first place (while complaining about how much weaker the later seasons are which, among other things, don't feature anything like the same degree of grimdark content.)

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #799 on: May 08, 2021, 09:00:37 PM »
It's a bit weird that a board dominated by people who are so sensitive about violence to the vulnerable could so much enjoy a show which has a lot of lurid depictions of sexualised violence against women, including an instance or two of a woman being raped and then falling in love with her rapist, or coming to enjoy the experience. And of course, where someone comes to lead an army of enslaved men who have suffered amputatory genital mutilation.

I would have thought the content is... "Problematic", to say the least.
I’ve not read the GoT threads, but if the direction of the anime moderation over there is anything to go by then practically every other post in those threads ought to include a ritual denouncing of the show for all the terrible stuff it includes because just the existence of rape, slavery, etc. in a show “normalizes” those things and acts as apologia for those awful things, especially if there is no explicit ritual denouncing to condemn awful things.

It must be said that Anime are, by definition, made for a Japanese public, and Japanese culture is surprisingly tolerant of extreme sexual/mindfucking stuff. When we in the West watch some genres of Anime, we are not the intended public by default.

I watched a single "Problematic Anime" back in the day, "Urotsukidoji: Legend of the Overfiend" (the uncut version, BTW). It was brutal, with "rape" being low on the scale of what could happen to the human characters. Let's say that at the end I could see the artistic intent of the creators: to very explicitly show the level of suffering that a war among demons could cause to innocent humans - using super violence&rape as a proxy. Well, I can that I watched it and... fine, it was a look at the underbelly of another culture. This was the end of my experience with hentai stuff.

It is worth mentioning that Alan Moore pulled a similar stunt in his "Neonomicon" comic book series, where a "lovecraftian tale" all of sudden becomes stunningly explicit (yup, repeated rape and stuff). The problem (a real one I mean) is that in this case I couldn't see a reason for things to become so explicit. Maybe Moore wanted to use rape as a metaphor for what happens to you when the Mythos close on you but it simply doesn't work. It is a muddled and boring story, with repeated rape scenes that have no reason to exist, characterizations that go nowhere (a female character is a "recovering nymphomaniac" - this point, obsessively made over and over, has no impact on the story) and, overall, a very strange drop in quality compared to Moore usual work.

This to say that "extreme explicitness" must always be judged in context (this has nothing to do with your willingness to experience it, of course). So, I think that in "Urotsukidoji" or "A Serbian Film" (yes, I watched that one too...) it is fully justified by the author's artistic intent, while in "Neonomicon" it is problematic and gratuitous.

I don't think, however, that TBP Mods approach this level of analysis when judging artistic expressions. Many hentais are made only to show violence and rape, to working class Japanese males, and that's it. To us Westerners they should be either unacceptable or for private use only. Maybe there is an unnatural inclination to "respect culture" on that forum...  ???

I watched Overfiend at a little niche theater when I was living in Anchorage. It was bizzarely fun watching such an extremely graphic movie in public. Like, "Look what we're watching! Isn't this crazy?"

Anyway, I suspect that even the most woke wokester still wants to be entertained, and something like Game of Thrones was pretty popular. They come up with various excuses-

https://urge.org/its-okay-to-like-problematic-things/

The Onion even made a mock article on the topic.

https://entertainment.theonion.com/woman-takes-short-half-hour-break-from-being-feminist-t-1819576049

It's like watching a kid sneak a cookie between meals.  ;D

That "It's-okay-to-like-problematic-things" is actually quite a reasonable take in a vacuum.  Just like, "everyone's a little bit racist, it's ok just acknowledge you are flawed and move on and try harder" which I still sometimes see would be a reasonable take if society was different.  (Or would be if anyone had a clear conception "everyone's a little bit racist" is actually supposed to mean).

The problem is these things are disingenous in a society that clearly doesn't think these things are ok.  If it's ok to like problematic things then there shouldn't be such efforts to stop other people being able to consume media that is deemed problematic.  If it's ok to be a little bit racist because everyone is then it shouldn't cost you your job when you make a minor gaffe or say something ambiguous.

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #800 on: May 08, 2021, 09:04:59 PM »
Knowing I will go to my grave having never had a RPG.net or TikTok account gives me a light chubby.

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #801 on: May 08, 2021, 09:08:41 PM »
I took it as a careless use of the word. Maybe she thinks she does have an example of Tolkien "demonizing" women. I can't think of one.

One of the earliest examples of wokeism (already heard before the movies) is the condemnation of Tolkien as "patriarchal" because when Eowyn can finally freely choose her future she decides to abandon armor and weapons, and to become an healer. "(screech!) And of course at the end she is relegated to the usual female jobs! (/screech!)"

That what Eowyn represents, in a nutshell, is the female battle to get free and freely choose is, obviously, missed. That Aragorn, Faramir and Eomer recognise how her inability to freely act was driving her literally mad doesn't exist in this interpretation of the book. Faramir tells her that she can be what she wants, and that's what Eowyn finally does. But, no, she had to choose a specific thing - that was the only way to be free. No, really ::)

A curious argument, since after the war, everyone was dedicating themselves to cleaning up the mess left by Sauron. And the prophecy of "The hands of the king being the hands of a healer" which Aragorn was considered to have fulfilled when he healed Eowyn and Merry and other soldiers struck by the Black Breath.
After the war, everyone became a healer in their own fashion. :)
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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #802 on: May 08, 2021, 09:09:54 PM »
Knowing I will go to my grave having never had a RPG.net or TikTok account gives me a light chubby.

Your kink is not okay.
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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #803 on: May 08, 2021, 09:10:15 PM »
Knowing I will go to my grave having never had a RPG.net or TikTok account gives me a light chubby.

RPG.net wasn't always such a shit hole. Some of us old farts remember when the moderators used to make fun of furries and claim the place was never going to be a "safe space".
That was before the dark times. Before the Wokepire.
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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #804 on: May 08, 2021, 09:26:35 PM »
Knowing I will go to my grave having never had a RPG.net or TikTok account gives me a light chubby.

Your kink is not okay.

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #805 on: May 08, 2021, 09:26:47 PM »
Between the rise of the internet and the coming of the Orange man* there was an age undreamed of...




*Ok that's far too late but I couldn't resist.

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #806 on: May 08, 2021, 10:50:25 PM »
Between the rise of the internet and the coming of the Orange man* there was an age undreamed of...

And unto this, Bi-den, destined to wear the jeweled crown of Aquilonia upon a problematic brow. It is I, his chronicler, who alone can bore thee with his saga. Let me tell you of the days of bland adventure!

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #807 on: May 08, 2021, 11:00:41 PM »
Between the rise of the internet and the coming of the Orange man* there was an age undreamed of...

And unto this, Bi-den, destined to wear the jeweled crown of Aquilonia upon a problematic brow. It is I, his chronicler, who alone can bore thee with his saga. Let me tell you of the days of bland adventure!

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #808 on: May 09, 2021, 01:52:01 AM »
In dim social alleys, the dark sorcerer Trump-Amon sows unrest, and plots to wrest the crown from Bi-den's enfeebled hands.

No, no, Trump is the northern barbarian, he of gigantic mirth and gigantic melancholies, who upon seeing at last that all self-named "civilized" men about him were mad, clove the standards of judgement in two and fled to the docks of Mar-a-Largos.
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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #809 on: May 09, 2021, 04:07:58 AM »
Knowing I will go to my grave having never had a RPG.net or TikTok account gives me a light chubby.

RPG.net wasn't always such a shit hole. Some of us old farts remember when the moderators used to make fun of furries and claim the place was never going to be a "safe space".
That was before the dark times. Before the Wokepire.

I remember that.  Seeing it now I hear mental echoes of the line from Harry Potter:  "The Ministry of Magic has fallen!!!"