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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #750 on: May 03, 2021, 06:52:49 PM »
It is perfectly normal. Do a search about what happened to Lindsay Ellis (in an adjacent field: movie and TV criticism). Not only the tribes tried to "cancel" her for something maybe she didn't even do (it all comes down on how you decide to interpreter a specific tweet of her), but they went against her YouTubers friends for "not denouncing her" - under the banner of "You are next!"

Eh. Up until now, she's been an insufferable cunt about social justice topics. I hope this opens her eyes to how crappy that whole line of thinking is, but more likely she's just going to chalk it up to a few "bad apples".

Dunno. She is leftist, no doubt, and that this could be a humorous case of friendly fire only adds to the Karma. However, I follow her since a while, and she makes long, detailed videos where she articulates her thoughts (and it is difficult to argue with some of them, exp. the ones against Disney... she literally did a video against "Woke Disney" - which may have contributed to the witch hunt).

And, no, in her video she doesn't blames "a few bad apples" but the current Woke culture as a whole - before pointing out how sad and, especially, obsessed few these fanatics are - no matter how big their echo-chamber is. If anything, she points out how this culture is ruining the left, before giving them both fingers and a fuck off.

(Which is, luckily, a growing phenomenon: more and more leftists are openly shredding wokeism as a cancer for their cultural worldview).

Anyway, I like to follow both her and Ben Shapiro (and others, but just to give a bit of context) and then think with my head. For sure Ellis isn't on the level of some of the genuine loonies out there.

I kinda liked her early stuff on Channel Autism, but when she left, the woke got too thick for me. In the video she admits as much, being a wililng participant of the woke mob. I think she's got a long way to go to shed wokism. I hope she does. I'm just not invested in her as a content creator. More power to you, though.
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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #751 on: May 03, 2021, 11:29:31 PM »
I know nothing about Lindsay Ellis. Never heard of her, or any of the surrounding kerfluffle, until the talk in this thread. And, to be honest, I skimmed the talk in this thread, so I probably missed half of that. So I knew half of almost nothing going in, but I watched the video of her apology not apology, all 101 minutes of it.

She's fairly listenable. She makes some good points. She's not a racist or a transphobe or a sexist or a bigot for any of the specific things she was called out for and lengthily listed, and that includes all of the items that she apologized for. But she's a complete hypocrite, and thoroughly un-selfaware.

She (correctly) points out it's ridiculous to take the worst possible interpretation of anything anyone ever says, or to call people bad names like "racist" based on those uncharitable misinterpretations. But then she calls everyone who disagrees with her "diet nazis", based on single tweets or other interactions. This isn't an aside, or humor, or cherry picking. She says it repeatedly, throughout the whole video. It's an essential part of she believes. BTW, it's a reference to the alt-right. Except she doesn't want to call them the alt-right, because apparently that suggests they have too much in the way of principles. And I'm pretty sure it's not really the alt-right anyway, because it's just an unsubstantiated accusation she's throwing at the core of the mob going after her.

And she thinks it's unquestionable and thus doesn't even question that she and her friends and their woke and progressive comrades are making the world a better place, and that this is so self-evident it doesn't need defending. But she is a bigot. And a sexist. And a racist. But that's because of her underlying ideology is all those things, not those tweets or videos in specific.

She seems superficially reasonable. She makes some solid points about cancel culture, about the effect and reaction to dogpiles and how they appear from inside, and about how people should be judged based on the bulk of the evidence on who they are instead of isolated incidents, especially without context, because they might be sarcastic or otherwise intended in a way very different from the most superficial of readings, and that this collectively creates a culture where people live in constant fear of being publicly pilloried, and this stifles creativity.

But she can only extend that courtesy, or apply that reasoning, to her friends and fellow travelers. They're the only ones who deserve to be treated this reasonably. Because those on the progressive wing who are against her are terrible people and do not deserve "grace" (presumably from her early Tennesseean catechisms), and those who on the other side, even fairly moderate and mainstream figures, are racists and fascists.

She's also incredibly self-absorbed, but that should be obvious to anyone who watches even a few seconds.
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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #752 on: May 04, 2021, 08:50:06 AM »
Everyone be sure to keep this to the topic of the RPG hobby, and not delve into broader political debate, or there will be problems.
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« Reply #753 on: May 04, 2021, 03:05:57 PM »
Everyone be sure to keep this to the topic of the RPG hobby, and not delve into broader political debate, or there will be problems.

How would you stat Lindsay Ellis in D&D
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« Reply #754 on: May 04, 2021, 05:11:53 PM »
Everyone be sure to keep this to the topic of the RPG hobby, and not delve into broader political debate, or there will be problems.

How would you stat Lindsay Ellis in D&D

Probably a 6 in Int and Wis.
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« Reply #755 on: May 04, 2021, 05:15:33 PM »
Everyone be sure to keep this to the topic of the RPG hobby, and not delve into broader political debate, or there will be problems.

How would you stat Lindsay Ellis in D&D

Probably a 6 in Int and Wis.

Yeah but what's her attack bonus and treasure table
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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #756 on: May 04, 2021, 06:29:33 PM »
Everyone be sure to keep this to the topic of the RPG hobby, and not delve into broader political debate, or there will be problems.

How would you stat Lindsay Ellis in D&D

Probably a 6 in Int and Wis.

Which would stat-flatline her cancellers, however. Remember: they attacked a friend of her by posting fake racist tweets only to be caught in the act... after five minutes or so. At the end the pushback created by this whole fiasco was exponentially bigger than the intended damage.

Some think that a percentage of the most revered amid the stupidest wokes are actually sock puppets created by members of the alt-right. After all they are only accelerating the growing pushback. Dunno what to think about this but for sure the idea that The RPG Pundit is secretly a Mod on RPG.net is great! (*) I would use it in a game right away  ;D

(*) Just not to end in hot water, I don't think that The RPG Pundit is alt-right or whatever, but for sure getting "canceled" on RPG.net is a good way for people who never looked around to discover that this is a very welcoming place.
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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #757 on: May 04, 2021, 06:49:22 PM »

(..) getting "canceled" on RPG.net is a good way for people who never looked around to discover that this is a very welcoming place.

One thing that stood out to me in that Ellis Lindsay video was her describing living in that kind of enviroment (worrying about what to say and how it will be percieved) as being under the "shadow of the Beast".
Thats is an apt way to describe the culture of RPG.net, but not here.

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« Reply #758 on: May 04, 2021, 09:31:11 PM »
Some think that a percentage of the most revered amid the stupidest wokes are actually sock puppets created by members of the alt-right.
I think it was Doonesbury who had the cartoon that Bush, Cheney et al were actually socialists in college, and developed a long-term plan to infiltrate the Republican party and so completely balls things up that the whole party would implode and the Democrats would introduce a socialist paradise. They kept being surprised that it didn't happen. "Jesus Christ, what the fuck do we have to do to make them hate us?!"

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« Reply #759 on: May 05, 2021, 12:56:43 AM »
Everyone be sure to keep this to the topic of the RPG hobby, and not delve into broader political debate, or there will be problems.

How would you stat Lindsay Ellis in D&D


Probably a 6 in Int and Wis.

Yeah but what's her attack bonus and treasure table

I am thinking low and probably ranging somewhere between not much and bugger all.
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« Reply #760 on: May 05, 2021, 10:56:17 AM »
They had a conversation going on with frequent postings. After the ban came in there hasn’t been a post in over 24 hours. Do the mods at TBP consider this a “feature” of their bans in that these bans for badthink seem to cause other users to go silent? Or are they oblivious as to what their doing to the conversations that are otherwise maybe going along? Probably the first scenario at this rate.
Since Asklepios’ ban on Sunday there hasn’t been.a single additional post in 3 days. Sure looks like a “stifling” of discussion has occurred in a thread that was often generating pages of discussion in a single day.

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« Reply #761 on: May 05, 2021, 11:01:53 AM »
They had a conversation going on with frequent postings. After the ban came in there hasn’t been a post in over 24 hours. Do the mods at TBP consider this a “feature” of their bans in that these bans for badthink seem to cause other users to go silent? Or are they oblivious as to what their doing to the conversations that are otherwise maybe going along? Probably the first scenario at this rate.
Since Asklepios’ ban on Sunday there hasn’t been.a single additional post in 3 days. Sure looks like a “stifling” of discussion has occurred in a thread that was often generating pages of discussion in a single day.
The admin do not want 'discussion'. They want lockstep adherence to their ideas and slavish approbation.

Contrast this with here where a lot of us will toss punches at each other, but generally Pundit doesn't get involved unless (a) the thread goes wildly off track into politics, which he has specifically pointed out not to do, or (b) someone is just being a complete fuckwit (like matt swain). Hell, it's easier to just block the morons than get Pundit involved.

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« Reply #762 on: May 05, 2021, 11:21:06 AM »
They had a conversation going on with frequent postings. After the ban came in there hasn’t been a post in over 24 hours. Do the mods at TBP consider this a “feature” of their bans in that these bans for badthink seem to cause other users to go silent? Or are they oblivious as to what their doing to the conversations that are otherwise maybe going along? Probably the first scenario at this rate.
Since Asklepios’ ban on Sunday there hasn’t been.a single additional post in 3 days. Sure looks like a “stifling” of discussion has occurred in a thread that was often generating pages of discussion in a single day.
The admin do not want 'discussion'. They want lockstep adherence to their ideas and slavish approbation.

Contrast this with here where a lot of us will toss punches at each other, but generally Pundit doesn't get involved unless (a) the thread goes wildly off track into politics, which he has specifically pointed out not to do, or (b) someone is just being a complete fuckwit (like matt swain). Hell, it's easier to just block the morons than get Pundit involved.

Until you max out your ignore list. Ask me how I know about that. :)

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« Reply #763 on: May 05, 2021, 11:24:31 AM »
They had a conversation going on with frequent postings. After the ban came in there hasn’t been a post in over 24 hours. Do the mods at TBP consider this a “feature” of their bans in that these bans for badthink seem to cause other users to go silent? Or are they oblivious as to what their doing to the conversations that are otherwise maybe going along? Probably the first scenario at this rate.
Since Asklepios’ ban on Sunday there hasn’t been.a single additional post in 3 days. Sure looks like a “stifling” of discussion has occurred in a thread that was often generating pages of discussion in a single day.
The admin do not want 'discussion'. They want lockstep adherence to their ideas and slavish approbation.

Contrast this with here where a lot of us will toss punches at each other, but generally Pundit doesn't get involved unless (a) the thread goes wildly off track into politics, which he has specifically pointed out not to do, or (b) someone is just being a complete fuckwit (like matt swain). Hell, it's easier to just block the morons than get Pundit involved.
I’m tempted to post at TBP in that Order of the Stick thread an offer for them to take their discussion here, but I’m not sure that wouldn’t be considered violating some norm about cross-forum drama. I’d start a thread here myself, but I haven’t kept up with that strip in a few years.

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« Reply #764 on: May 05, 2021, 11:58:25 AM »
They had a conversation going on with frequent postings. After the ban came in there hasn’t been a post in over 24 hours. Do the mods at TBP consider this a “feature” of their bans in that these bans for badthink seem to cause other users to go silent? Or are they oblivious as to what their doing to the conversations that are otherwise maybe going along? Probably the first scenario at this rate.
Since Asklepios’ ban on Sunday there hasn’t been.a single additional post in 3 days. Sure looks like a “stifling” of discussion has occurred in a thread that was often generating pages of discussion in a single day.
The admin do not want 'discussion'. They want lockstep adherence to their ideas and slavish approbation.

Contrast this with here where a lot of us will toss punches at each other, but generally Pundit doesn't get involved unless (a) the thread goes wildly off track into politics, which he has specifically pointed out not to do, or (b) someone is just being a complete fuckwit (like matt swain). Hell, it's easier to just block the morons than get Pundit involved.
I’m tempted to post at TBP in that Order of the Stick thread an offer for them to take their discussion here, but I’m not sure that wouldn’t be considered violating some norm about cross-forum drama. I’d start a thread here myself, but I haven’t kept up with that strip in a few years.
You'd get banned for talking about 'a well known hate speech site'.

As has been demonstrated by the TBP mods, even discussion of certain topics can draw down a banhammer response.