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Author Topic: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again  (Read 47896 times)

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #735 on: May 03, 2021, 10:23:10 AM »
Imagine being so racist you invent new derogatory terms like "POC" for anyone who isn't a white male.
A true show of "promoting diversity" BTW  ::)
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« Reply #736 on: May 03, 2021, 10:40:21 AM »
Asklepios is probably going to get permabanned. He’s been a member of TBP since 2005, but he’s caught 5 bans over the last 12 months. Prior to that only 3 it seems. He’s gone from on average catching 1 ban every 5 years to catching 5 within one. He hasn’t been able to keep up the moderator culture at TBP. The thread he caught the last ban in wasn’t specifically dedicated to social justice. He doesn’t understand that all threads at TBP at their root are really more about opportunities to hold struggle sessions, and not really about the surface level topic.

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« Reply #737 on: May 03, 2021, 10:55:02 AM »
They had a conversation going on with frequent postings. After the ban came in there hasn’t been a post in over 24 hours. Do the mods at TBP consider this a “feature” of their bans in that these bans for badthink seem to cause other users to go silent? Or are they oblivious as to what their doing to the conversations that are otherwise maybe going along? Probably the first scenario at this rate.
"Snuffing any kind of debate in Universities" is a clear and present fear of the damage Wokeism is bringing to the current cultural upbringing.

At the end of the day we are talking about RPGs (and at the end of the day I'll still be playing the way I want, thank you). But when you attack a keystone of Western thought like the possibility to openly speak your mind about serious matters, and the possibility to debate even opposing points, things will not end well.

(Remember when before Wokeism, after 9/11, the Religion du jour was supporting the War in Iraq or you were "unpatriotic - you belong to Guantanamo!!1"? How did that end?)

If anything, I'm more and more reminded of that old joke by Ronald Reagan:

An American and a Russian were debating about which country is more free. The American made the case, “you know in the United States of America you can march into the White House, slam your fists on the president’s desk and say, Mr.President, I don’t like the way you are running this country.”

The Russian replied,”I can do that”.

The American in a bit of shock asked “you can?!”

The Russian remarked,”why of course, I can March into the Kremlin and slam my fists on the General-Secretary’s desk and say, Mr. General-Secretary, I don’t like the way the American president is running his country!”
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« Reply #738 on: May 03, 2021, 11:09:20 AM »
The Russian remarked, ”Why of course, I can March into the Kremlin and slam my fists on the General-Secretary’s desk and say, 'Mr. General-Secretary, I don’t like the way the American president is running his country!'”

Shades of the old joke by Henry Ford:  "You can get a Model T in any colour you like, as long as it's black."

You never have to punish people for making the wrong choice if you can make sure it's not available for them to choose in the first place.  :(
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« Reply #739 on: May 03, 2021, 12:04:49 PM »
The Russian remarked, ”Why of course, I can March into the Kremlin and slam my fists on the General-Secretary’s desk and say, 'Mr. General-Secretary, I don’t like the way the American president is running his country!'”

Shades of the old joke by Henry Ford:  "You can get a Model T in any colour you like, as long as it's black."

You never have to punish people for making the wrong choice if you can make sure it's not available for them to choose in the first place.  :(
That was a key goal for Orwell’s Newspeak. By limiting the language you can limit the thinking of anyone to only approved thinking.

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #740 on: May 03, 2021, 12:38:32 PM »
Jesus christ,a 7 day ban for a joke.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/jacobkosh-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-seven-day-ban-insensitive-remarks-about-a-medical-emergency.880842/

Honestly i'm sending links about this place to some really extreme right sites, just hoping someone there decides to give them grief. They are just so fucking embarrassing to the game public.

In a real feat of stalinist thinking they banned the wife of a guy accused of some sort of offending someone from rpg.net because she refused to denounce her husband. My fucking god, wanting family members to denounce relatives and loved ones personally?  Honestly sounds like something i'd expect in russia or china.

That site reminds me of the classic outer limits episode OBIT, where surveillance and judgement were so constant no one could even laugh or joke anymore.

Go to this link and hit the 40 minute mark. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=outer+limits+obit&&view=detail&mid=D05F080AC4336738E1ECD05F080AC4336738E1EC&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Douter%2Blimits%2Bobit%26FORM%3DHDRSC3

And they banned someone for offsite behavior. 

RPG.net is a cancer on the left and a disgrace to reasonable progressives that should be denounced and shunned by anyone considering themselves a progressive.

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« Reply #741 on: May 03, 2021, 01:10:58 PM »
That was a key goal for Orwell’s Newspeak. By limiting the language you can limit the thinking of anyone to only approved thinking.

Also: language as hypocrisy.

"Before creating this Cthulhu RPG we must talk about the "problematic" contents in H.P. Lovecraft work!"

Fine. What do you mean? That his descriptions of Cosmic Horrors are often vague and suggestive so it is difficult for artists to visualise them? That it is truly problematic to stat them or to create rules for people who are afflicted by them? That Lovecraft's poetic leads to a truly deadly game so creating campaigns is problematic and it is best used for one shots?

I MEAN THAT LOVECRAFT WAS A RACIST!!  >:(

Then JUST SAY THAT! WHY DON'T YOU JUST SAY THAT?

IMHO, "problematic" entered the wokespeak because... it actually doesn't force you to elaborate an argument. An argument which could be debated into oblivion or even, gasp!, even lead to counterarguments from other wokes, because you either weren't strong enough or accidentally touched a tripwire ("OK, let's concede that in 'The Haunter of the Dark' HPL recognises the values of Italian Immigrants." "You can't devalue racism by implying that someone is only partially racist. Take a month off" - random RPG.net Mod vs. random sane guy).

When someone uses the word "Problematic", the object of the word is in the same position of the main character of Kafka's "The Trial". Asking "What's the problem?" only worsens your position, because "if you don't understand then it only shows how deeply problematic you are". Saying that you are sorry only worsens your position, because "So, you knew that your behaviour was wrong but you persevered anyway." Your friends are then attacked for... just being your friends and accepting your "problematic behaviour". They are next.

But... explaining in detail what the "problem" is? God forbids that the woke attacker risks his skin in an hard debate which goes deeper than the well known superficial screams. And why should the wokes run this risk? You are already condemned anyway.

Other good examples include "Controversial" (there is actually no controversy: accept that this is wrong and shut up), "Toxic" (usually used when some wokes truly fuck up and people call them out) and "Troubling" (since you mentioned Lovecraft, down with him and his "troubling themes!) I'm sure that it is easy to come up with others.

You can even add "useful shorthand" to "hypocrisy".

"Why do you want to Cancel Lovecraft"?

"Because of his problematic contents!"

"What they are? I mean... do you even read one tale by Lovecraft?"

"No! I won't read the writings of a toxic white supremacist!"

"OK, fine. Oh, I really would want to be one of your neurons... always calm, undisturbed, feed by your body without the need for them to work. What a blissful life your neurons have..."
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« Reply #742 on: May 03, 2021, 01:26:32 PM »
In a real feat of stalinist thinking they banned the wife of a guy accused of some sort of offending someone from rpg.net because she refused to denounce her husband. My fucking god, wanting family members to denounce relatives and loved ones personally?  Honestly sounds like something i'd expect in russia or china.
It is perfectly normal. Do a search about what happened to Lindsay Ellis (in an adjacent field: movie and TV criticism). Not only the tribes tried to "cancel" her for something maybe she didn't even do (it all comes down on how you decide to interpreter a specific tweet of her), but they went against her YouTubers friends for "not denouncing her" - under the banner of "You are next!"

Ellis answer was epic: one hour long video. While the video is very worthy of being seen (the humongous "Fuck you and goodbye" at the end makes it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7aWz8q_IM4) it also created a problem for her accusers: they had to watch a one hour long video! This created a situation where her friends just said "Have you even seen Lindsay's answer?" and the "cancellers" squirmed and skidded and tried to scream their accuses anyway like if on a car on an iced mountain road. Totally worth it.
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« Reply #743 on: May 03, 2021, 01:45:44 PM »
You seem like a reasonable guy here. Way to go.

I never heard of this woman until i looked her up. i didn't watch her whole 100 minute video but caught some bits. Nice to see someone who the cancel culturists can't cancel telling them to eat a big one.

Too bad she's not a gamer, but looking at the book and model collection she had in that video she fits in with our culture.

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« Reply #744 on: May 03, 2021, 02:35:34 PM »
They had a conversation going on with frequent postings. After the ban came in there hasn’t been a post in over 24 hours. Do the mods at TBP consider this a “feature” of their bans in that these bans for badthink seem to cause other users to go silent? Or are they oblivious as to what their doing to the conversations that are otherwise maybe going along? Probably the first scenario at this rate.
Which is why this thread has not been moved to Pungency.
We are discussing over zealous moderators halting the free flow of ideas.
It's just that TBP is such an obvious target.
It's not like we're just bashing the TBP moderation team, that's only a bonus!

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #745 on: May 03, 2021, 04:36:15 PM »
Jesus christ,a 7 day ban for a joke.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/jacobkosh-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-seven-day-ban-insensitive-remarks-about-a-medical-emergency.880842/

Honestly i'm sending links about this place to some really extreme right sites, just hoping someone there decides to give them grief. They are just so fucking embarrassing to the game public.

So you're intentionally trying to troll the site? What's that going to accomplish? They'll just hold you up as an example of how they were right, and that everyone who doesn't agree with them is a horrible alt-right shitlord.

You are everything you claim to hate.
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« Reply #746 on: May 03, 2021, 04:39:31 PM »
In a real feat of stalinist thinking they banned the wife of a guy accused of some sort of offending someone from rpg.net because she refused to denounce her husband. My fucking god, wanting family members to denounce relatives and loved ones personally?  Honestly sounds like something i'd expect in russia or china.
It is perfectly normal. Do a search about what happened to Lindsay Ellis (in an adjacent field: movie and TV criticism). Not only the tribes tried to "cancel" her for something maybe she didn't even do (it all comes down on how you decide to interpreter a specific tweet of her), but they went against her YouTubers friends for "not denouncing her" - under the banner of "You are next!"

Ellis answer was epic: one hour long video. While the video is very worthy of being seen (the humongous "Fuck you and goodbye" at the end makes it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7aWz8q_IM4) it also created a problem for her accusers: they had to watch a one hour long video! This created a situation where her friends just said "Have you even seen Lindsay's answer?" and the "cancellers" squirmed and skidded and tried to scream their accuses anyway like if on a car on an iced mountain road. Totally worth it.

Eh. Up until now, she's been an insufferable cunt about social justice topics. I hope this opens her eyes to how crappy that whole line of thinking is, but more likely she's just going to chalk it up to a few "bad apples".
Good on her for standing up to them, though. It beats watching some wretch grovel for forgiveness that will never come.
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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #747 on: May 03, 2021, 05:30:58 PM »
Jesus christ,a 7 day ban for a joke.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/jacobkosh-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-seven-day-ban-insensitive-remarks-about-a-medical-emergency.880842/

Honestly i'm sending links about this place to some really extreme right sites, just hoping someone there decides to give them grief. They are just so fucking embarrassing to the game public.

So you're intentionally trying to troll the site? What's that going to accomplish? They'll just hold you up as an example of how they were right, and that everyone who doesn't agree with them is a horrible alt-right shitlord.

You are everything you claim to hate.

No, i'm not trolling them, i'm just letting people know how horrible the site is and what it does along with the values it preaches.

If someoen decides they really don;t like it, well, that's not my problem.

TBP laughs at "Freeze peach" but in the world outside their dominion I'm free to tell people about the site and the values it represents, they're free to condemn it.

RPG.net is a cancer on the left and a disgrace to reasonable progressives that should be denounced and shunned by anyone considering themselves a progressive.

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #748 on: May 03, 2021, 05:44:57 PM »
It is perfectly normal. Do a search about what happened to Lindsay Ellis (in an adjacent field: movie and TV criticism). Not only the tribes tried to "cancel" her for something maybe she didn't even do (it all comes down on how you decide to interpreter a specific tweet of her), but they went against her YouTubers friends for "not denouncing her" - under the banner of "You are next!"

Eh. Up until now, she's been an insufferable cunt about social justice topics. I hope this opens her eyes to how crappy that whole line of thinking is, but more likely she's just going to chalk it up to a few "bad apples".

Dunno. She is leftist, no doubt, and that this could be a humorous case of friendly fire only adds to the Karma. However, I follow her since a while, and she makes long, detailed videos where she articulates her thoughts (and it is difficult to argue with some of them, exp. the ones against Disney... she literally did a video against "Woke Disney" - which may have contributed to the witch hunt).

And, no, in her video she doesn't blames "a few bad apples" but the current Woke culture as a whole - before pointing out how sad and, especially, obsessed few these fanatics are - no matter how big their echo-chamber is. If anything, she points out how this culture is ruining the left, before giving them both fingers and a fuck off.

(Which is, luckily, a growing phenomenon: more and more leftists are openly shredding wokeism as a cancer for their cultural worldview).

Anyway, I like to follow both her and Ben Shapiro (and others, but just to give a bit of context) and then think with my head. For sure Ellis isn't on the level of some of the genuine loonies out there.
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« Reply #749 on: May 03, 2021, 06:45:48 PM »
Jesus christ,a 7 day ban for a joke.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/jacobkosh-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-seven-day-ban-insensitive-remarks-about-a-medical-emergency.880842/

Honestly i'm sending links about this place to some really extreme right sites, just hoping someone there decides to give them grief. They are just so fucking embarrassing to the game public.

So you're intentionally trying to troll the site? What's that going to accomplish? They'll just hold you up as an example of how they were right, and that everyone who doesn't agree with them is a horrible alt-right shitlord.

You are everything you claim to hate.

No, i'm not trolling them, i'm just letting people know how horrible the site is and what it does along with the values it preaches.

If someoen decides they really don;t like it, well, that's not my problem.

TBP laughs at "Freeze peach" but in the world outside their dominion I'm free to tell people about the site and the values it represents, they're free to condemn it.

You specifically hoped that they'd "give them grief". I'm all for commenting on their dumb-ass policies and attitudes, but I think they generate enough of their own grief.
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