Quote from: Ratman_tf on April 20, 2021, 09:35:25 PM
And that's the lever that RPG.net moderation are using with their Holdo rule. people generally take more offense at aggressive attitudes when they're directed towards women.

Sure. But that's why I spent one sentence mentioning misogyny, and then several paragraphs laying out the aggressive level. And I think that's what's really going on in Shark's case - there's an aggressive way of resolving conflicts as the main meal, there's just a salt of misogyny.

I doubt Shark's aggressive in person, he's more likely at the assertive level. Everyone amps things up a bit online. I think military training bumps most people up to assertive - certain any kind of combat training does. It's hard to practice bayonet training while being nice or merely manipulative. And the aggressive on up end up on a charge and eventually get binned. The military selects for assertive people - though a few manipulative ones end up officers.

Quote from: GeekyBugleBecause wahmen can't ever be anything but wonderful right?

Not at all. Women often prefer the manipulative level rather than the assertive levels on up. As my son put it around 7yo, "boys are more aggressive but girls are more dramatic."

Quote from: SharkI'm also reminded of during such formal college debates--the men were typically entirely different in debates than women. I should also say *Liberal Women*--as the few Conservative women generally did their homework, and, win or lose, conducted themselves very well in a formal debate. The *Liberal Women* would begin cool, pleasant, and seemingly collected. That façade soon faded, however, once you resisted strongly.

I believe it. The left relies on manipulative people, and the right relies on assertive people. I do think there are differences between the genders and political sides, however it's more productive to view it through the lens of Miller's six levels of how willing someone is to use violence to resolve conflicts.

Quote from: wmarshalThat explanation does seem to fit in regards to the mods at Big Purple.

I think it does. As I noted, the person at level X simply doesn't know what to do with someone at level X+1.  In person they have to learn to deal with it somehow, and if they can't, that's what reporting people to HR is for. Online they can form communities which exclude others.

Again, gender, politics etc are issues. But I think the real issue is which level people are on with the nice to murderous scale. We can see this in that even people who post with the "right" politics at places like rpg.net can and do get banned if they post assertively or aggressively. I think nobody was really banned for their politics, they were banned for being assertive. Ever seen or read Remains of the Day? It's like the old English butler - everyone has to be terribly restrained and nice and nobody's allowed to have strong opinions on anything.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 20, 2021, 11:17:53 AM
The whole concept they have of 'holdo-ing' (you're questioning this mod because they're female!) is absolutely insane. Many of the mods do not have any clear indication, in their avatar or name, that they are in fact female (I'm not even getting into trans people, that's another can o'worms).

Some time ago, in an email to the admins, I did point out that there is a Gotcha! when a female mod does not present as such (which they aren't required to, don't get me wrong) but that femininity is then used to up the ban severity.

What I got back was "female-presenting mods get more pushback than male-presenting mods". Which, while no doubt being true, doesn't really seem like an answer to my concern. At all.

Basically, I stopped posting in any thread that I considered controversial because the mods have proven over and over again that they will assume the worst interpretation of what you said and hang you for it.

Quote from: Litpho on April 21, 2021, 02:31:32 AM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 20, 2021, 11:17:53 AM
The whole concept they have of 'holdo-ing' (you're questioning this mod because they're female!) is absolutely insane. Many of the mods do not have any clear indication, in their avatar or name, that they are in fact female (I'm not even getting into trans people, that's another can o'worms).

Some time ago, in an email to the admins, I did point out that there is a Gotcha! when a female mod does not present as such (which they aren't required to, don't get me wrong) but that femininity is then used to up the ban severity.

What I got back was "female-presenting mods get more pushback than male-presenting mods". Which, while no doubt being true, doesn't really seem like an answer to my concern. At all.

Basically, I stopped posting in any thread that I considered controversial because the mods have proven over and over again that they will assume the worst interpretation of what you said and hang you for it.

They have stated 'the onus is on the poster to be clear', which... is great, except that you can literally spell out your point in small words and people will still willfully misinterpret you and then go crying about your insensitivity.

I think Shark's mistake is he's conflating 'women' with 'liberals'. Remember that leftist and wokeist thought relies heavily on appeals to emotions.

That thread in TT that wmarshal referenced is still locked with no new postings. Guess they're having trouble emotionalizing (is that a word?) their way out of the figurative Chinese finger trap they've put their fingers into.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron on April 20, 2021, 08:56:38 PM
There's a misogynistic tone to this which doesn't surprise me, but isn't pleasant.

"Misogyny" implies there are actually a group of people who are distinctly "women". Which is obviously not the case. You bigot.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 21, 2021, 08:12:00 AM

Quote from: Litpho on April 21, 2021, 02:31:32 AM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 20, 2021, 11:17:53 AM
The whole concept they have of 'holdo-ing' (you're questioning this mod because they're female!) is absolutely insane. Many of the mods do not have any clear indication, in their avatar or name, that they are in fact female (I'm not even getting into trans people, that's another can o'worms).

Some time ago, in an email to the admins, I did point out that there is a Gotcha! when a female mod does not present as such (which they aren't required to, don't get me wrong) but that femininity is then used to up the ban severity.

What I got back was "female-presenting mods get more pushback than male-presenting mods". Which, while no doubt being true, doesn't really seem like an answer to my concern. At all.

Basically, I stopped posting in any thread that I considered controversial because the mods have proven over and over again that they will assume the worst interpretation of what you said and hang you for it.

They have stated 'the onus is on the poster to be clear', which... is great, except that you can literally spell out your point in small words and people will still willfully misinterpret you and then go crying about your insensitivity.

I think Shark's mistake is he's conflating 'women' with 'liberals'. Remember that leftist and wokeist thought relies heavily on appeals to emotions.

That thread in TT that wmarshal referenced is still locked with no new postings. Guess they're having trouble emotionalizing (is that a word?) their way out of the figurative Chinese finger trap they've put their fingers into.

They should probably just acknowledge that anime (if not Other Media as a whole) is not a topic they feel equipped to moderate. Instead have a rule similar to RPGPundit's rule here about politics. Let their users discuss anime so long as it relates to gaming because they're not equipped to allow the wide ranging anime discussions their anime interested users are wanting to have. I doubt they'll do that because it would acknowledge a limitation to their cult's effectiveness.

Quote from: wmarshal on April 21, 2021, 11:20:02 AM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 21, 2021, 08:12:00 AM

Quote from: Litpho on April 21, 2021, 02:31:32 AM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 20, 2021, 11:17:53 AM
The whole concept they have of 'holdo-ing' (you're questioning this mod because they're female!) is absolutely insane. Many of the mods do not have any clear indication, in their avatar or name, that they are in fact female (I'm not even getting into trans people, that's another can o'worms).

Some time ago, in an email to the admins, I did point out that there is a Gotcha! when a female mod does not present as such (which they aren't required to, don't get me wrong) but that femininity is then used to up the ban severity.

What I got back was "female-presenting mods get more pushback than male-presenting mods". Which, while no doubt being true, doesn't really seem like an answer to my concern. At all.

Basically, I stopped posting in any thread that I considered controversial because the mods have proven over and over again that they will assume the worst interpretation of what you said and hang you for it.

They have stated 'the onus is on the poster to be clear', which... is great, except that you can literally spell out your point in small words and people will still willfully misinterpret you and then go crying about your insensitivity.

I think Shark's mistake is he's conflating 'women' with 'liberals'. Remember that leftist and wokeist thought relies heavily on appeals to emotions.

That thread in TT that wmarshal referenced is still locked with no new postings. Guess they're having trouble emotionalizing (is that a word?) their way out of the figurative Chinese finger trap they've put their fingers into.

They should probably just acknowledge that anime (if not Other Media as a whole) is not a topic they feel equipped to moderate. Instead have a rule similar to RPGPundit's rule here about politics. Let their users discuss anime so long as it relates to gaming because they're not equipped to allow the wide ranging anime discussions their anime interested users are wanting to have. I doubt they'll do that because it would acknowledge a limitation to their cult's effectiveness.

You're assuming that pack of idiots is capable of rising to that standard.

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Basically, I stopped posting in any thread that I considered controversial because the mods have proven over and over again that they will assume the worst interpretation of what you said and hang you for it.
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LOL. This. So true. I got a 30 day ban once and the mod who did it assumed so much incorrect information about me.

Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on April 21, 2021, 10:15:26 PM
LOL. This. So true. I got a 30 day ban once and the mod who did it assumed so much incorrect information about me.

Which ties into the idea that at least some of those mods get their jollies from swinging the banhammer.

They won't get the cheap thrill if they don't interpret everything in the worst possible light.

Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on April 21, 2021, 10:15:26 PM


LOL. This. So true. I got a 30 day ban once and the mod who did it assumed so much incorrect information about me.

I tried the not posting in an controversial thread topic for some time.  That made me pay attention to what was potentially controversial in order to apply the filter.  Doing that made me lose interest in conversing in that manner, which is how I gradually faded out before getting a ban.

I guess the silver lining of leftist cultural dominance is that they've forced me multiple times to examine how I'm spending my time.  Frequently, I stop doing something they've contaminated and discover I really don't miss the thing and that I've got better things to do with my time.  Or maybe that is just me getting old.

Pretty much my problem over at BGG. As they became more openly hostile and it was revealed just how much they are covertly censoring. On top of the growing woke mob over there. Then giving an RPG admin position to someone who tried to dox me and hates RPGs. My interest dropped off sharply.

Jesus Christ.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/bookwrack-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-ninety-day-ban.880395/

Bookwrack is probably gone, at least from TBP.  Not really surprised that Tanka was the one who pulled the trigger though.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 22, 2021, 01:44:44 PM
Jesus Christ.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/bookwrack-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-ninety-day-ban.880395/

Bookwrack is probably gone, at least from TBP.  Not really surprised that Tanka was the one who pulled the trigger though.

What if she identified as an 18 year old? Would that make any difference?

Quote from: Brad on April 22, 2021, 01:47:23 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 22, 2021, 01:44:44 PM
Jesus Christ.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/bookwrack-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-ninety-day-ban.880395/

Bookwrack is probably gone, at least from TBP.  Not really surprised that Tanka was the one who pulled the trigger though.

What if she identified as an 18 year old? Would that make any difference?

It's always a tragedy when things like this occur, but it says a lot to me that Bookwrack's point is dismissed as 'devil's advocate' (having worn the devil's advocate hat myself more than a few times). And it pisses me the fuck off.

During the latter days of WW2, German manpower was so depleted that they were pressing old men and teenagers -- practically children -- into combat roles and positions. Some of them had to be killed by Allied soldiers. A lethal weapon is still a lethal weapon whether the wielder is 15 or 51.

But the narrative is 'cop kills harmless teenager', not 'cop guns down lunatic trying to murder other people'.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 22, 2021, 01:52:56 PM
It's always a tragedy when things like this occur, but it says a lot to me that Bookwrack's point is dismissed as 'devil's advocate' (having worn the devil's advocate hat myself more than a few times). And it pisses me the fuck off.

Presenting actual information that is verifiable by simply watching a 20 second video = devils advocacy

In other words, LALALALALAAL WE DON'T BELIEVE IT ALALALLAALALALLALAALALALLALAALALLALA

This whole thing is tragic, yeah, but magically 15 is now an innocent child, even when they weigh more than a grown man and are about to shank someone in the gut.

In any case with the bloodthirsty maniacs over at TBP. No outcome would satisfy them in any case. No matter what the police did they would still be blamed. It's easy to be an armchair cop from the safety and anonymity of the screen and keyboard.