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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #585 on: April 17, 2021, 12:18:42 AM »
People keep using this phrase...and I really don't think they know what it actually means.

Yeah but when I tell people about the market where you get free things people think I'm making shit up. It was real that night, I know it.
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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #586 on: April 17, 2021, 12:28:17 AM »
This is why we need a roll-eyes smiley.

Look, this is simple economics.  If doing nothing were better for the small business employees, then they would be doing that.  (and many in the pandemic are, as has been mentioned)  If they could have a better job they would.  Therefor, by their own choice, they they have proven that their small business job is good for them.  That's the beauty of a free economy, people are free to maximize their own outcome.  They don't need some socialist pseudo-intellectual to order their life for them or tell them that their choices are wrong.  The Soviet Union tried that and we all saw how well that went.

And I don't think you understand the nature of small business.  It includes McDonalds, franchises, yes, but many McDonald's are company owned, which of course is anything but a small business.  And many small businesses are medical practices, IT shops, accounting firms, and so on.  None of those pay minimum wages to skilled employees.

The market does not bear a roll-eyes smiley but it bears people subsidized to stay home right now, which some people here are whining about, maybe talk to them about how that is the free market right now and not "sucking at government teat" when those lips should be reserved for Daddy Boss-Man.

And there is a multiplicity of small business types, much to think about, so it's a good thing I said lower average wages, which is true, and every wage, which is not.

Intervention by the Federal Government on wages for no work is almost literally the opposite of a free market.  Now the US has almost never been a truly free market because we have regulations and minimum wages, tariffs etc but propping up the entire bottom of the labor market with essential a free years worth of money for doing nothing is in no way an example of the free market, cannot last because we can't keep going into debt to provide it and is doing damage.
If you just say free market enough when things go wrong people will eventually associate everything bad with the free market and hey words like socialism might not look so bad anymore.

Sort of like if you say "Tax the rich" and "socialism" together enough people won't realize the tax rate on the middle and lower class in most countries with moderate socialist elements are well above the 0-10% rate many here in the US pay. 

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #587 on: April 19, 2021, 10:09:57 AM »
(violently yanks the thread back on track here)

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/winterland-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-racist-dogwhistles-in-a-game-thread.880209/

Today I learned that it is racist dogwhistling to point out that people can make errors in literally split-second decisions, and that it's completely irrelevant that a 13 year old with the moniker of 'Baby Homicide' might've been involved in shooting at cars.

But then, some victims are more equal than others. And it's all about propping up a narrative.

I hope Bcaugust54 gets raging crotchrot, though.


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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #588 on: April 19, 2021, 10:51:34 AM »
(violently yanks the thread back on track here)

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/winterland-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-racist-dogwhistles-in-a-game-thread.880209/

Today I learned that it is racist dogwhistling to point out that people can make errors in literally split-second decisions, and that it's completely irrelevant that a 13 year old with the moniker of 'Baby Homicide' might've been involved in shooting at cars.

But then, some victims are more equal than others. And it's all about propping up a narrative.

I hope Bcaugust54 gets raging crotchrot, though.

That mod has seemed the worst lately for punishing crimethink. Last week the mod issued a ban in an anime thread that violated what the mods had promised on how they would not moderate. One of the users pointed this out quite well:

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/regarding-future-discussion-of-anime-manga-japanese-vg-material.877180/page-5#post-23837223

Causing CrazyIvan to quickly lock the thread while the mods “held discussions” backstage to discuss the issue. It’s been a week for the struggle sessions to occur, but no response yet from the mods.

I suspect they really are having a hard time coming up with a response. The other mods might be afraid to admit that Bcaugust54 broke their own commitments to the community, and any such discussions are probably along the lines of:
1. Why didn’t we memoryhole the guidelines we gave the anime community BEFORE whipping out the banhammer?
2. Why did we ever put in writing any kind of guidelines at all that we could be held to account for?
« Last Edit: April 19, 2021, 02:17:33 PM by wmarshal »

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #589 on: April 19, 2021, 11:14:14 AM »
(violently yanks the thread back on track here)

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/winterland-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-racist-dogwhistles-in-a-game-thread.880209/

Today I learned that it is racist dogwhistling to point out that people can make errors in literally split-second decisions, and that it's completely irrelevant that a 13 year old with the moniker of 'Baby Homicide' might've been involved in shooting at cars.

But then, some victims are more equal than others. And it's all about propping up a narrative.

I hope Bcaugust54 gets raging crotchrot, though.

That mod has seemed the worst lately for punishing crimethink. Last week the mod issued a ban in an anime thread that violated what the mods had promised on how they would not moderate. One of the users pointed this out quite well:

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/regarding-future-discussion-of-anime-manga-japanese-vg-material.877180/page-5#post-23837223

Causing CrazyIvan to quickly lock the thread while the mods “held discussions” backstage to discuss the issue. It’s been a week for the struggle sessions to occur, but no response yet from the mods.

I suspect they really are having a hard time coming up with a response. The real other mods might be afraid to admit that Bcaugust54 broke their own commitments to the community, and any such discussions are probably along the lines of:
1. Why didn’t we memoryhole the guidelines we gave the anime community BEFORE whipping out the banhammer?
2. Why did we ever put in writing any kind of guidelines at all that we could be held to account for?
It'll be interesting to see what kind of pretzel they tie themselves into.

I mean, if I'd just paid money in for a membership where the mods contradict themselves that badly, I'd be thinking about getting my money back.

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #590 on: April 19, 2021, 11:15:05 AM »
Mangled double post. Stupid phone.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2021, 02:16:25 PM by wmarshal »

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #591 on: April 19, 2021, 01:48:12 PM »
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Dunno what happened there, wmarshal, but you double posted the same thing.

Returning to the Winterland ban: for the record, Winterland has been a TBP member since 2008. 4600+ posts. Prior to this, he (or she) had a threadban and a warning (separate infractions) in 2018, three years ago. The thirty ban seems incredibly excessive, even for so-called 'A-game' threads (which in my opinion amount to mods hunting over bait, as such threads are inspected quite stringently for wrongthink).

Frankly, if some wankstain of a mod handed me a thirty-day timeout over this, I'd just wipe the website from my bookmarks and never come back.

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #592 on: April 19, 2021, 02:26:33 PM »
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Dunno what happened there, wmarshal, but you double posted the same thing.

Returning to the Winterland ban: for the record, Winterland has been a TBP member since 2008. 4600+ posts. Prior to this, he (or she) had a threadban and a warning (separate infractions) in 2018, three years ago. The thirty ban seems incredibly excessive, even for so-called 'A-game' threads (which in my opinion amount to mods hunting over bait, as such threads are inspected quite stringently for wrongthink).

Frankly, if some wankstain of a mod handed me a thirty-day timeout over this, I'd just wipe the website from my bookmarks and never come back.
The A-game tag should be taken as the equivalent that the thread should be treated the same as Two Minutes of Hate. If you do anything in the thread counter to the “Two Minutes of Hate”/A-Game a ban will be administered. Such threads are not for discussion, but accusations and confessions instead.

It’ll be interesting to see just how long it will take for the mods to actually reply to the user that Bcaugust54 broke the guidance the anime community was given in issuing the ban. I’m going to go with never, and they’ll probably ask Ultimate Chicken to drop the matter altogether. Better to keep the users on pins and needles than give them any boundaries they can reasonably rely on.

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #593 on: April 19, 2021, 02:47:24 PM »
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Dunno what happened there, wmarshal, but you double posted the same thing.

Returning to the Winterland ban: for the record, Winterland has been a TBP member since 2008. 4600+ posts. Prior to this, he (or she) had a threadban and a warning (separate infractions) in 2018, three years ago. The thirty ban seems incredibly excessive, even for so-called 'A-game' threads (which in my opinion amount to mods hunting over bait, as such threads are inspected quite stringently for wrongthink).

Frankly, if some wankstain of a mod handed me a thirty-day timeout over this, I'd just wipe the website from my bookmarks and never come back.
The A-game tag should be taken as the equivalent that the thread should be treated the same as Two Minutes of Hate. If you do anything in the thread counter to the “Two Minutes of Hate”/A-Game a ban will be administered. Such threads are not for discussion, but accusations and confessions instead.

It’ll be interesting to see just how long it will take for the mods to actually reply to the user that Bcaugust54 broke the guidance the anime community was given in issuing the ban. I’m going to go with never, and they’ll probably ask Ultimate Chicken to drop the matter altogether. Better to keep the users on pins and needles than give them any boundaries they can reasonably rely on.
The wise decision regarding the anime ban would be to reverse the infraction and clarify any change in the rules for future posts, giving amnesty to any prior posts which might fall afoul of the new rule (ex post facto).

But I think you're right. I think they'll sit on it and hope the whole issue goes away.

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #594 on: April 19, 2021, 03:03:45 PM »
The wise decision regarding the anime ban would be to reverse the infraction and clarify any change in the rules for future posts, giving amnesty to any prior posts which might fall afoul of the new rule (ex post facto).

But I think you're right. I think they'll sit on it and hope the whole issue goes away.

They have done it before.  Before I got banned there was a dust up in a comic book thread.  We were told the mods would discuss it back stage and get back to us and to not talk about the topic that caused the issue in the mean time.  A month went by and I politely asked if there had been any movement on the discussion.  They responded with the typical "we're unpaid volunteers that have lives outside this forum," reply.  They never did make a decision about it.

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #595 on: April 19, 2021, 03:37:02 PM »
The wise decision regarding the anime ban would be to reverse the infraction and clarify any change in the rules for future posts, giving amnesty to any prior posts which might fall afoul of the new rule (ex post facto).

But I think you're right. I think they'll sit on it and hope the whole issue goes away.

They have done it before.  Before I got banned there was a dust up in a comic book thread.  We were told the mods would discuss it back stage and get back to us and to not talk about the topic that caused the issue in the mean time.  A month went by and I politely asked if there had been any movement on the discussion.  They responded with the typical "we're unpaid volunteers that have lives outside this forum," reply.  They never did make a decision about it.
I’m 99% convinced the ambiguity in moderation is just a means to a goal of having their users scared. The excuse they give about being outside volunteers with outside lives really doesn’t hold water when over a month has passed by. When they have a new target or new topic they’re eager to start issuing bans on they don’t wait for weeks of discussion as to how they want to handle it. It’s when they have to consider they made a mistake that they go into hibernation.

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #596 on: April 19, 2021, 04:55:38 PM »
(snip)
Dunno what happened there, wmarshal, but you double posted the same thing.

Returning to the Winterland ban: for the record, Winterland has been a TBP member since 2008. 4600+ posts. Prior to this, he (or she) had a threadban and a warning (separate infractions) in 2018, three years ago. The thirty ban seems incredibly excessive, even for so-called 'A-game' threads (which in my opinion amount to mods hunting over bait, as such threads are inspected quite stringently for wrongthink).

Frankly, if some wankstain of a mod handed me a thirty-day timeout over this, I'd just wipe the website from my bookmarks and never come back.
The A-game tag should be taken as the equivalent that the thread should be treated the same as Two Minutes of Hate. If you do anything in the thread counter to the “Two Minutes of Hate”/A-Game a ban will be administered. Such threads are not for discussion, but accusations and confessions instead.

It’ll be interesting to see just how long it will take for the mods to actually reply to the user that Bcaugust54 broke the guidance the anime community was given in issuing the ban. I’m going to go with never, and they’ll probably ask Ultimate Chicken to drop the matter altogether. Better to keep the users on pins and needles than give them any boundaries they can reasonably rely on.
The wise decision regarding the anime ban would be to reverse the infraction and clarify any change in the rules for future posts, giving amnesty to any prior posts which might fall afoul of the new rule (ex post facto).
What you suggest would be reasonable, but it would also admit that the Party was incorrect. The Party is never incorrect, only certain facts are incorrect until the party corrects the facts.

To the mods minds if the users at Big Purple are going to love Big Purple then the users have to trust that Big Purple is never really wrong.

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #597 on: April 19, 2021, 04:56:32 PM »
The wise decision regarding the anime ban would be to reverse the infraction and clarify any change in the rules for future posts, giving amnesty to any prior posts which might fall afoul of the new rule (ex post facto).

But I think you're right. I think they'll sit on it and hope the whole issue goes away.

They have done it before.  Before I got banned there was a dust up in a comic book thread.  We were told the mods would discuss it back stage and get back to us and to not talk about the topic that caused the issue in the mean time.  A month went by and I politely asked if there had been any movement on the discussion.  They responded with the typical "we're unpaid volunteers that have lives outside this forum," reply.  They never did make a decision about it.
I’m 99% convinced the ambiguity in moderation is just a means to a goal of having their users scared. The excuse they give about being outside volunteers with outside lives really doesn’t hold water when over a month has passed by. When they have a new target or new topic they’re eager to start issuing bans on they don’t wait for weeks of discussion as to how they want to handle it. It’s when they have to consider they made a mistake that they go into hibernation.
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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #598 on: April 19, 2021, 05:16:24 PM »
The wise decision regarding the anime ban would be to reverse the infraction and clarify any change in the rules for future posts, giving amnesty to any prior posts which might fall afoul of the new rule (ex post facto).

But I think you're right. I think they'll sit on it and hope the whole issue goes away.

They have done it before.  Before I got banned there was a dust up in a comic book thread.  We were told the mods would discuss it back stage and get back to us and to not talk about the topic that caused the issue in the mean time.  A month went by and I politely asked if there had been any movement on the discussion.  They responded with the typical "we're unpaid volunteers that have lives outside this forum," reply.  They never did make a decision about it.
I’m 99% convinced the ambiguity in moderation is just a means to a goal of having their users scared. The excuse they give about being outside volunteers with outside lives really doesn’t hold water when over a month has passed by. When they have a new target or new topic they’re eager to start issuing bans on they don’t wait for weeks of discussion as to how they want to handle it. It’s when they have to consider they made a mistake that they go into hibernation.
Never ascribe to Machiavellian tactics what can adequately explained by not wanting to deal with something.
That’s probably true most of the time, but in this case (and others) Big Purple positively decided they wanted to deal with something. In cases where the mods seem to be following personal agendas and/or get found violating the rules they set up they go to ground as a community. It’s too regular a response to just be apathy. They set up A-Game threads in theory to encourage users to participate in discussion, but they’re really just rallies for specific approved views on the topic. They specifically say they don’t want users to wear hair shirts and give denunciations of shows, but when a user does mentions a disapproves show they catch a ban even though they made no defense of the show other than it was fun trash, no apologia.

The mods at Big Purple are in a cult. One can only hope they live far enough from each other that that would limit their ability to have in person struggle sessions where they start beating each other to death like the Japanese United Red Army did before they collapsed.

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« Reply #599 on: April 19, 2021, 06:23:39 PM »
The mods at Big Purple are in a cult. One can only hope they live far enough from each other that that would limit their ability to have in person struggle sessions where they start beating each other to death like the Japanese United Red Army did before they collapsed.

If the choice is that or the faction that wound up in the Middle East I know which one I prefer.
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