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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #405 on: March 16, 2021, 04:08:45 PM »
Can someone explain to me why a fucking nerdy ass hobby about pretending to be fruity elves needs any sort of real-world politics injected into it? I am not being flippant or rhetorical, I want an honest answer as to why people just can't leave their problems at the door to play a GAME. I play GAMES to get the fuck away from real life, I don't want to hyper-analyze stupid shit, I just want to get drunk and roll dice. These fucktards are sucking the joy out of something I have enjoyed since I was a kid and made it into an avenue to explore their sophomoric postmodern ideas. Sorry, I actually have two degrees in philosophy, most of this shit can easily be addressed after one semester of Aristotle. Fuck them. Seriously.

Watch some James Linday videos on youtube. (New Discourses) He does comprehensive videos on how critical theory and social justice infiltrate all aspects of society. From D&D to knitting.

TL;DW, an ideology with it's roots in several different philosophies has metastizied into thought cancer.

Wow, thanks for the suggestion. How did I not know James Lindsay before? Good stuff
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« Reply #406 on: March 16, 2021, 06:22:49 PM »
James Lindsay, along with Helen Pluckrose and Peter Boghossian was party of the Sokal squared hoax where they wrote a lot of fake journal articles with ridiculous premises and got them published in social justice/critical theory journals.

Look it up, it's hilarious.

Although Lindsay does fall into the trap of attributing rather too much of what's going on to ideas.  He ends up making it sound like there is more intellectual consistency than there really is.

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #407 on: March 16, 2021, 07:08:56 PM »
His book, "Cynical Theories", is the best dissection I ever saw of how the excesses of the Left and the Right are currently providing fuel to each other, making both sides able to reach surreal extremes - with Lindsay destroying both in the process.

However, I feel that the fact that this is the most sold book on Amazon in the "Philosophy" section confirms something I really believe in: how most people are interested in understanding the current follies - not in being part of them.
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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #408 on: March 16, 2021, 07:22:46 PM »
His book, "Cynical Theories", is the best dissection I ever saw of how the excesses of the Left and the Right are currently providing fuel to each other, making both sides able to reach surreal extremes - with Lindsay destroying both in the process.

However, I feel that the fact that this is the most sold book on Amazon in the "Philosophy" section confirms something I really believe in: how most people are interested in understanding the current follies - not in being part of them.
It's a fairly good book.  And it's better when it deals with the more recent "Applied Postmodernism" aspect of things.

But just remember that Pluckrose and Lindsay actually understand this theory and have read a lot more of it better than 99% of people who actually believe in woke causes.  In other words, if you want to understand where certain terms and ideas originate from it's a good source, if you want to understand why they spread and how they are used it's less so.  You really need some kind of sociological explanation.

This review contains a good critique of some of the issues. https://arcdigital.media/postmodernism-unbound-dc576063e78e
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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #409 on: March 16, 2021, 10:07:40 PM »
His book, "Cynical Theories", is the best dissection I ever saw of how the excesses of the Left and the Right are currently providing fuel to each other, making both sides able to reach surreal extremes - with Lindsay destroying both in the process.

However, I feel that the fact that this is the most sold book on Amazon in the "Philosophy" section confirms something I really believe in: how most people are interested in understanding the current follies - not in being part of them.
It's a fairly good book.  And it's better when it deals with the more recent "Applied Postmodernism" aspect of things.

But just remember that Pluckrose and Lindsay actually understand this theory and have read a lot more of it better than 99% of people who actually believe in woke causes.  In other words, if you want to understand where certain terms and ideas originate from it's a good source, if you want to understand why they spread and how they are used it's less so.  You really need some kind of sociological explanation.

This review contains a good critique of some of the issues. https://arcdigital.media/postmodernism-unbound-dc576063e78e

Lindsay, Pluckrose and Boghosian are certainly not the final word on the topic. They're a good starting point, I think.
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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #410 on: March 16, 2021, 11:03:16 PM »

... listening to "Nineteen Eighty-Four" by Eurythmics is quite the experience.

I see you are a man of culture as well.

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #411 on: March 16, 2021, 11:45:17 PM »
His book, "Cynical Theories", is the best dissection I ever saw of how the excesses of the Left and the Right are currently providing fuel to each other, making both sides able to reach surreal extremes - with Lindsay destroying both in the process.

However, I feel that the fact that this is the most sold book on Amazon in the "Philosophy" section confirms something I really believe in: how most people are interested in understanding the current follies - not in being part of them.
It's a fairly good book.  And it's better when it deals with the more recent "Applied Postmodernism" aspect of things.

But just remember that Pluckrose and Lindsay actually understand this theory and have read a lot more of it better than 99% of people who actually believe in woke causes.  In other words, if you want to understand where certain terms and ideas originate from it's a good source, if you want to understand why they spread and how they are used it's less so.  You really need some kind of sociological explanation.

This review contains a good critique of some of the issues. https://arcdigital.media/postmodernism-unbound-dc576063e78e

Ok, I read all of that "critique," and what I gathered is the following:

A. The grad-student who wrote it is upset that the authors didn't ask and answer the questions he would have asked and answered.

B.  His primary grievance is that the authors didn't articulate that the postmodernism of the academics they are attack isn't real postmodernism, which the grad student apparently supports.  So, while acknowledging that the criticisms are accurate, he deflects by suggesting that they do not apply to his version of postmodernism (a la "True communism has never been tried...").

So, in summary, I would like you to refund the time I wasted reading that pseudo-erudite wall of sophomoric jargon posing as a philosophic critique.

P.S. The idea that anyone would find that pablum persuasive says more about them than it does about Lindsay's book...
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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #412 on: March 17, 2021, 01:14:34 AM »
His book, "Cynical Theories", is the best dissection I ever saw of how the excesses of the Left and the Right are currently providing fuel to each other, making both sides able to reach surreal extremes - with Lindsay destroying both in the process.

However, I feel that the fact that this is the most sold book on Amazon in the "Philosophy" section confirms something I really believe in: how most people are interested in understanding the current follies - not in being part of them.
It's a fairly good book.  And it's better when it deals with the more recent "Applied Postmodernism" aspect of things.

But just remember that Pluckrose and Lindsay actually understand this theory and have read a lot more of it better than 99% of people who actually believe in woke causes.  In other words, if you want to understand where certain terms and ideas originate from it's a good source, if you want to understand why they spread and how they are used it's less so.  You really need some kind of sociological explanation.

This review contains a good critique of some of the issues. https://arcdigital.media/postmodernism-unbound-dc576063e78e

Ok, I read all of that "critique," and what I gathered is the following:

A. The grad-student who wrote it is upset that the authors didn't ask and answer the questions he would have asked and answered.

B.  His primary grievance is that the authors didn't articulate that the postmodernism of the academics they are attack isn't real postmodernism, which the grad student apparently supports.  So, while acknowledging that the criticisms are accurate, he deflects by suggesting that they do not apply to his version of postmodernism (a la "True communism has never been tried...").

So, in summary, I would like you to refund the time I wasted reading that pseudo-erudite wall of sophomoric jargon posing as a philosophic critique.

P.S. The idea that anyone would find that pablum persuasive says more about them than it does about Lindsay's book...
Ok whatever.  Fuck off.

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #413 on: March 17, 2021, 06:57:27 AM »
His book, "Cynical Theories", is the best dissection I ever saw of how the excesses of the Left and the Right are currently providing fuel to each other, making both sides able to reach surreal extremes - with Lindsay destroying both in the process.

However, I feel that the fact that this is the most sold book on Amazon in the "Philosophy" section confirms something I really believe in: how most people are interested in understanding the current follies - not in being part of them.
It's a fairly good book.  And it's better when it deals with the more recent "Applied Postmodernism" aspect of things.

But just remember that Pluckrose and Lindsay actually understand this theory and have read a lot more of it better than 99% of people who actually believe in woke causes.  In other words, if you want to understand where certain terms and ideas originate from it's a good source, if you want to understand why they spread and how they are used it's less so.  You really need some kind of sociological explanation.

This review contains a good critique of some of the issues. https://arcdigital.media/postmodernism-unbound-dc576063e78e

Ok, I read all of that "critique," and what I gathered is the following:

A. The grad-student who wrote it is upset that the authors didn't ask and answer the questions he would have asked and answered.

B.  His primary grievance is that the authors didn't articulate that the postmodernism of the academics they are attack isn't real postmodernism, which the grad student apparently supports.  So, while acknowledging that the criticisms are accurate, he deflects by suggesting that they do not apply to his version of postmodernism (a la "True communism has never been tried...").

So, in summary, I would like you to refund the time I wasted reading that pseudo-erudite wall of sophomoric jargon posing as a philosophic critique.

P.S. The idea that anyone would find that pablum persuasive says more about them than it does about Lindsay's book...
Ok whatever.  Fuck off.
About the same intellectual level as the critique, but at least you have directness to recommend you...

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #414 on: March 17, 2021, 07:37:14 AM »
His book, "Cynical Theories", is the best dissection I ever saw of how the excesses of the Left and the Right are currently providing fuel to each other, making both sides able to reach surreal extremes - with Lindsay destroying both in the process.

However, I feel that the fact that this is the most sold book on Amazon in the "Philosophy" section confirms something I really believe in: how most people are interested in understanding the current follies - not in being part of them.
It's a fairly good book.  And it's better when it deals with the more recent "Applied Postmodernism" aspect of things.

But just remember that Pluckrose and Lindsay actually understand this theory and have read a lot more of it better than 99% of people who actually believe in woke causes.  In other words, if you want to understand where certain terms and ideas originate from it's a good source, if you want to understand why they spread and how they are used it's less so.  You really need some kind of sociological explanation.

This review contains a good critique of some of the issues. https://arcdigital.media/postmodernism-unbound-dc576063e78e

Ok, I read all of that "critique," and what I gathered is the following:

A. The grad-student who wrote it is upset that the authors didn't ask and answer the questions he would have asked and answered.
I was about to post about that "critique" but you did a better job.

My impression is that the "critic" - while recognising the merits of the book - criticised it for not being what the book never wants to be in the first place. The "mission statement" of the two authors is spelled clearly and in length in the introduction...

This book is therefore written for the layperson who has no background in this type of scholarship but sees the influence of it on society and wants to understand how it works. It is for the liberal to whom a just society is very important, but who can’t help noticing that the Social Justice movement does not seem to facilitate this and wants to be able to make a liberal response to it with consistency and integrity. Cynical Theories is written for anyone from any part of the political spectrum who believes in the marketplace of ideas as a way to examine and challenge ideas and advance society and wants to be able to engage with Social Justice ideas as they really are.

...And quite fulfilled. Their ultimate aim is to show that "Social Justice" (capitalised) not only isn't "social justice" (which I support) but a danger to the latter.

[...]We seek to defend rigorous, evidence-based scholarship and the essential function of the university as a center of knowledge production against anti-empirical, anti-rational, and illiberal currents on the left that threaten to give power to anti-intellectual, anti-equality, and illiberal currents on the right.

The authors point out, quite correctly, how...

It sometimes feels as though any well-intended person, even one who values universal liberty and equality, could inadvertently say something that falls foul of the new speech codes, with devastating consequences for her career and reputation. This is confusing and counterintuitive to a culture accustomed to placing human dignity first and thus valuing charitable interpretations and tolerance of a wide range of views. At best, this has a chilling effect on the culture of free expression, which has served liberal democracies well for more than two centuries, as good people self-censor to avoid saying the “wrong” things. At worst, it is a malicious form of bullying and—when institutionalized—a kind of authoritarianism in our midst. (I guess that TBP was a case-study)

...And how their ultimate aim is to provide...

[...]...A guide to the language and customs that are presently widely promoted under the pleasant-sounding moniker “Social Justice.” We are fluent in both the language and culture of Social Justice scholarship and activism, and we plan to guide our readers through this alien world, charting the evolution of these ideas from their origins fifty years ago right up to the present day.

Regarding all of the above, I can say that the book maintained these promises and fully satisfied me.
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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #415 on: March 17, 2021, 10:02:54 AM »
We're getting a little far afield here.

Back to the mockery!

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/rottingcorps-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban.878698/

It's pretty well established that the TBP mandarins don't like backtalk, so my guess is that Rottingcorps won't be there much longer (judging from his response, he may not even bother coming back). TBP admin also refuse to entertain any kind of third-party appeals (for example, someone else asking them to reconsider).

I suppose that would hold water if it swung both ways, but it's pretty well established that if a majority of people report you, your posts will get you in trouble. Meanwhile, if a majority of people argue in your favor, it's ignored.

Also, Tanka is a snotty little punk who never left high school, psychologically. Prove me wrong.

Note: Tanka makes reference to Rottingcorps being told multiple times not to respond to redtext, but mysteriously the search function seems to be lagging out in the forum. Could be coincidence, I guess.

EDIT: Seems to be a forum issue, not shenanigans. I withdraw my implication of skulduggery in that regard.
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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #416 on: March 17, 2021, 02:43:59 PM »
Why would anyone want to prove you wrong?
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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #417 on: March 17, 2021, 03:02:59 PM »
Why would anyone want to prove you wrong?
"We see you". The level of tone-deafness is off the scale.
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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #418 on: March 17, 2021, 03:50:02 PM »
Also, Tanka is a snotty little punk who never left high school, psychologically. Prove me wrong.

There should be an extra a in "Tanaka", right?
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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #419 on: March 17, 2021, 08:06:50 PM »
What'd you expect, though? Who's going to tell them 'You guys are stupid and you should feel bad'?

Here's part of the problem: scroll down to 'Forum Statistics' on TBP's forum page.

684,000+ threads, almost 21 million messages, and nearly 100,000 registered users.

Inertia will keep it going, at least for a time. But who knows when it'll collapse?