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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #375 on: March 13, 2021, 04:09:45 PM »
Well, this guy was banned for pointing out a perfectly sane thing: that children should be removed from toxic/dangerous environments and be allowed to grow up in safe ones. I believe that this is the law in almost - if not all - the developed countries and it is the job of social services to monitor the situation.

He then muses if a little orc is removed from a toxic environment (like Sauron's shadow) he will be able to grow up and not being evil.

I mean... This is as "progressive" as it gets. Why the ban, then?

Because you can "associate" (arbitrarily) the general idea to something bad that happened in the past (and to specific countries/cultures - I never heard before about Residential Schools maybe because I'm not Canadian).

By this reasoning, I'll be able to ban someone who approves if social services remove a kid from a toxic/dangerous environment. Why?

Because there are people out there who "liberate" underage girls from their parents, keep them prisoners for years or even decades, sometimes have sons with them, and at the end maybe kill them - all in name of bettering these girls' lifes. So...

"You propose that social services help kids living in dangerous environments by... taking them and bringing them elsewhere?! HOW DO YOU DARE TO PROPOSE SOMETHING SO SIMILAR TO A TERRIBLE CRIME, YOU HORRIFIC PERVERT!?"  >:(
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These guys are not realising that they are losing their very own moral compasses. I guess that they are not even able to think anymore.
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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #376 on: March 13, 2021, 04:18:55 PM »
One of the more interesting things that's taking place among the woke is the shifting of the centre of moral gravity from 'intent' to the rather nebulous notion of 'harm'.

As pointed out, however, this is inconsistent - and it's an inconsistency right at the core.  It's what happened when a partial understanding of French postmodernism crashes into Judaeo-Christian moralism.

Basically what it boils down to is that the woke do believe in intent (they have to because they most definitely believe in guilt), but they've also taken on board post-modern and marxist perspectives that will hold that racism can be perpetrated at a structural level.   The problem with the latter (to the woke anyway) is that they actually let individuals off the hook!  (A structural analysis would actually suggest that you don't need racists to have racism - occasionally you see the progressive woke remember this, but it's increasingly rare*).

So what has come about is basically the belief in a deeper subject. You may not be conscisously racist but you're deeper self, your true self is.  (This is why things like implicit bias tests are so popular).

So basically there is intent, but not at the conscious level.  This is why you must "do the work".  (Eg.  read lots of poorly written books, attend diversity training run by grifters etc)

*And it would also imply ways of addressing racism that would be in no way compatible with Disney or Starbucks world view (eg addressing actual poverty).

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #377 on: March 13, 2021, 04:47:30 PM »
So what has come about is basically the belief in a deeper subject. You may not be conscisously racist but you're deeper self, your true self is.  (This is why things like implicit bias tests are so popular).
...And they still end up with their feet in their mouths, because when they ask "Are chess racist? White always move first!" they don't also ask "Is Go racist? Black always move first!"

So, they may not be consciously afflicted by the "white man (possibly male)-centric" bias in their argumentations, but they are. The examples are countless.
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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #378 on: March 13, 2021, 05:12:52 PM »
So what has come about is basically the belief in a deeper subject. You may not be conscisously racist but you're deeper self, your true self is.  (This is why things like implicit bias tests are so popular).
...And they still end up with their feet in their mouths, because when they ask "Are chess racist? White always move first!" they don't also ask "Is Go racist? Black always move first!"

So, they may not be consciously afflicted by the "white man (possibly male)-centric" bias in their argumentations, but they are. The examples are countless.
Well yes.  It's full of double binds.  It's a legacy of the post-modern emphasis on holisitc systems (which is not wholly wrong, there are holistic systems, but your perspective is skewed if that's all you can see - it's like if our understanding of biology was only ecology).

It's goes crazy when you add moralism to it.

ie. if you say "we are all participants in a racist system, and we can't avoid that, so let's chill a little and just do what we can," then you kind of have a workable view (although not necessarily a correct one).

If you have a world view that says "we are all participants in a racist system we cannot avoid AND being a participant in such a system is a deep stain on the soul" then you have a fundemantally untenable world view.  There is no way out.  So you have to project and make noise and distract and claw at some kind of quasi religious salvation.

It will likely collapse under it's own weight.  It wouldn't surprise me if large numbers of the young woke go on to become born again Christians.

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #379 on: March 13, 2021, 06:01:02 PM »
It will likely collapse under it's own weight.  It wouldn't surprise me if large numbers of the young woke go on to become born again Christians.
I think that they already failed and are not realising that they are preaching inside their own echo-chambers. Current events are proving, over and over, that when people are allowed to say what they think, wokeism uniformly get plastered.

In videogames we had the "Extra Credits" fiasco. A video about how, playing Nazis or Terrorists in a videogame will make of you... a Nazi or a Terrorist! The ratio of thumbs up vs. thumbs down speaks by itself, and the comments are hilarious  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCj8llyzfWo

Then there was the "David Chappelle's Stick and Stones" fiasco. A one hour stand-up comedy special who was as unPC as it gets - and as funny as hell  ;D Verdict on Rotten Tomatoes? 35% from 17 "critics", 99% from 25,000+ viewers (considering that Chappelle managed to offend everybody I guess that everybody found it just fine).

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dave_chappelle_sticks_and_stones

Now those who think that the new Star wars Trilogy is dire are under attack- by a "paper" (In Plain Sight: How White Supremacy, Misogyny, and Hate Targeted the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy and Won) so laughable in its arguments that it forced some commenters to admit that they feel dumb when they do explain where it fails. (Despite a 90% approval rating from critics and an A CinemaScore, we can’t stop talking about how The Last Jedi is a polarizing film that has allegedly alienated fans en masse and sent Disney’s multi-billion dollar juggernaut in an unsatisfactory direction). Yup, allegedly because you don't quote the 42% audience score. One wonders why...  ::)

https://rewritingripley.medium.com/in-plain-sight-how-white-supremacy-misogyny-and-hate-targeted-the-star-wars-sequel-trilogy-and-2fd0be4b242

And so on. I can't quote a single example where wokeism vs. freedom of expression doesn't end with the former being obliterated. And that's the real World we are living in.
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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #380 on: March 13, 2021, 06:55:26 PM »
In short the banned poster effectively said maybe moving orcs from being raised by Sauron or other villian would be the equivalent of moving an abused child to a non toxic environment and allow them to grow up to be less hateful.
You see, nothing good comes of this sort of thespy nonsense.

They're orcs. Kill them all!

Strongly agree.  Perhaps save a goblin to interrogate to find out where their warlord is hiding.

Which is unintentionally hilarious in itself, since wokeism/radleft thought is ALL about the intent, not necessarily the result.

It is and it isn't. It's very Screwtapian, really: in all situations where you can claim grievance against someone else for their actions, the effect is all that matters, not the intent; but in all situations where someone is claiming grievance against you for the outcome of your actions, the correct intent is all that matters, regardless of results.  It's another heads-we-win-tails-you-lose kafkatrap.

I tell you what it is, it is great source material for a WH40K Dark Heresy/Only War Handout listing Imperial Guard judgements by the Commissariat.

"Well you say that the rebels you spotted were only fleeing citizens which is why you didn't shoot on sight, but that is denying the lived experience of thousands of members of your fellow Imperial Guardsmen on this planet.  Firing Squad....Next!"
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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #381 on: March 13, 2021, 07:05:25 PM »
It will likely collapse under it's own weight.  It wouldn't surprise me if large numbers of the young woke go on to become born again Christians.
I think that they already failed and are not realising that they are preaching inside their own echo-chambers. Current events are proving, over and over, that when people are allowed to say what they think, wokeism uniformly get plastered.

In videogames we had the "Extra Credits" fiasco. A video about how, playing Nazis or Terrorists in a videogame will make of you... a Nazi or a Terrorist! The ratio of thumbs up vs. thumbs down speaks by itself, and the comments are hilarious  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCj8llyzfWo

Sad. I really liked their earlier videos, especially the one on choice in games. But yeah, I think the Nazi video marks their slide into insantiy.
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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #382 on: March 14, 2021, 01:53:56 AM »

Sad. I really liked their earlier videos, especially the one on choice in games. But yeah, I think the Nazi video marks their slide into insantiy.

Extra Credits was sliding for a good while before that. Apparently they ran off one of their main people and after that got more and more blatantly woke. You can see it in several of their pieces before and after. Sometimes just a little jab here or an accusation of rasict or misogynist, etc-ist. And other times pushing the agenda harder. They also push that lootboxes, microtransactions and other tricks are ok and "needed" even.

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #383 on: March 14, 2021, 10:35:06 AM »

Sad. I really liked their earlier videos, especially the one on choice in games. But yeah, I think the Nazi video marks their slide into insantiy.

Extra Credits was sliding for a good while before that. Apparently they ran off one of their main people and after that got more and more blatantly woke. You can see it in several of their pieces before and after. Sometimes just a little jab here or an accusation of rasict or misogynist, etc-ist. And other times pushing the agenda harder. They also push that lootboxes, microtransactions and other tricks are ok and "needed" even.
It's industry capture in action.  When a group of small, dedicated people produce content, they draw attention to themselves.  With that attention comes contacts to members of the industry they are commenting on.  Suddenly, they aren't talking about the policies of faceless gaming companies, but the practices of friends and aquantances.  So their opinions shift, and, the next thing you know, they are justifying loot boxes and parroting woke.  It takes a very rare person not to get captured that way...

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #384 on: March 15, 2021, 10:16:02 AM »
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/lamoth-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-seven-day-ban.878643/

Know your place, peasants. You are not allowed to question the decisions of moderators. Their lived experiences (which may only exist in their heads) are far more meaningful than your 'logic'.

Seriously, how do these people survive? He's not ignoring anything, nor were Rupert and Ramidel. But then, it's Tanka, and he's struck me as one of those gimps who gets his jollies by swinging the banhammer.

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« Reply #385 on: March 15, 2021, 01:20:32 PM »
"The 'internal logic' {which} glosses over that slavery has affected family members of our userbase, and ignoring that is a large symptom of the problem."

Judas frickin' Priest. Hasn't it occurred to these people that the more public displays of breast-beating propriety demands be made before certain topics can be brought up or discussed, the less seriously either those who make such displays or those who hear them will take them?

Up here in Canada one of the chronic woke-isms a large number of community or public endeavours have been doing as a habit is to say, before any event starts, "We acknowledge we are on the territory of the tribe of...." (whichever First Nations tribe was historically native to the area in question).  And every time I hear this I just want more and more to jump up and yell out, "Excuse me! Excuse me, can I interrupt for a second here?  Is anyone here actually from that tribe?  Is anyone here actually prepared to sell their home at far below market rates to somebody of that tribe, and move back to where your own family came from?  No?  Then SHUT THE HELL UP and get on with the show," and sit down.

I haven't quite yet gotten to the level of annoyance required to ruin everybody else's evening this way, but I'm not taking bets on that lasting forever.
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« Reply #386 on: March 15, 2021, 02:09:57 PM »
"The 'internal logic' {which} glosses over that slavery has affected family members of our userbase, and ignoring that is a large symptom of the problem."

Judas frickin' Priest. Hasn't it occurred to these people that the more public displays of breast-beating propriety demands be made before certain topics can be brought up or discussed, the less seriously either those who make such displays or those who hear them will take them?

Up here in Canada one of the chronic woke-isms a large number of community or public endeavours have been doing as a habit is to say, before any event starts, "We acknowledge we are on the territory of the tribe of...." (whichever First Nations tribe was historically native to the area in question).  And every time I hear this I just want more and more to jump up and yell out, "Excuse me! Excuse me, can I interrupt for a second here?  Is anyone here actually from that tribe?  Is anyone here actually prepared to sell their home at far below market rates to somebody of that tribe, and move back to where your own family came from?  No?  Then SHUT THE HELL UP and get on with the show," and sit down.

I haven't quite yet gotten to the level of annoyance required to ruin everybody else's evening this way, but I'm not taking bets on that lasting forever.

I've seen that in a few videos and it is some real self flagellation.

Not to mention, the tribe they mention surely took the land from another tribe that was there before them.

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #387 on: March 15, 2021, 02:32:38 PM »
Up here in Canada one of the chronic woke-isms a large number of community or public endeavours have been doing as a habit is to say, before any event starts, "We acknowledge we are on the territory of the tribe of...." (whichever First Nations tribe was historically native to the area in question).
Up here in Canada, native ceremonies and prayers are held at schools and school functions an all other forms of prayer and worship are banned.  There is also a big fight here in Alberta over a proposed curriculum that teaches about the basic tenets of world religions including Judaism, Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, and Hinduism.  So, that makes native spiritual practices the defacto state religion.  Think about that.
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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #388 on: March 15, 2021, 02:40:57 PM »
Up here in Canada, native ceremonies and prayers are held at schools and school functions an all other forms of prayer and worship are banned.  There is also a big fight here in Alberta over a proposed curriculum that teaches about the basic tenets of world religions including Judaism, Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, and Hinduism.  So, that makes native spiritual practices the defacto state religion.  Think about that.

  It could be worse.

  Down in California, they're invoking the Aztec gods--and not just the nice ones like Quetzalcoatl; no, we're talking about Tezkatlipoka and Huitzilopochtli--as patrons of 'social justice.'

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Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
« Reply #389 on: March 15, 2021, 02:44:34 PM »
Can someone please speed up the inevitable meteor strike?
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