Over the last two days they've handed out 4 straight 7-day bans in a row. It seems the mods there are spiraling to a new level of enforcement against bad thoughts. It probably won't be too long before the mods start judging each other looking askance at those mods who hand out insufficiently harsh bans.

Quote from: Thornhammer on March 12, 2021, 03:42:45 PM

Quote from: Jim in Oz on March 12, 2021, 09:13:59 AM
Every game site I just checked out has a thread on just how freakily Big Purple has lost the plot. That's a pretty bad sign.

Seems like they have been just a little extra the past week or two.

I wondered how long the poor guy who was doing a Let's Read of the World of Xoth was going to last.

Silver lining - I had heard of Xoth but not actually looked at it, and damn that is some quality sword and sorcery right there.

Never heard of it until the wokeskold mods there locked the thread.

Quote from: wmarshal on March 12, 2021, 09:46:37 PM
Over the last two days they've handed out 4 straight 7-day bans in a row. It seems the mods there are spiraling to a new level of enforcement against bad thoughts.

I went there and I read the "motivations" (for the lack of a better word) for some of the most recent bans - and I think that they have an even bigger problem: these "motivations" are incomprehensible.

I'm not talking about "well, they dropped the ball here; this was not a good reason for banning someone..." I'm talking about "literally, not being able to understand what they are saying".

When they went against someone for "denigrating McNuggets" that was the reason. You could agree, disagree or laugh, but it was clear and to the point. That was the reason.

Today you get:

Not too far before this post, there are multiple posts talking about the Residential Schools and why the idea the idea that an entire culture could be damaging and people, particularly children, need to be removed from it for their own good is a BAD IDEA. Despite this, you appear to have ignored those comments and basically restate the reason that that Residential Schools were created.

This is an A-Game Thread, and your post fails on at least two points:

Be respectful of lived experiences.

Be thoughtful

Also from the Racism Policy:

Denying racism subtext in certain depictions of fantastic culture

I will just add for emphasis that the Residential Schools are not all that long in the past. The last of the Canadian Residential schools was only closed in 1996. Nor is this limited to Canada. The Indian Placement Program, proponents of which actually claimed it would make the students white, operated in the United States from 1954 to 1996.

These are not abstract or theoretical topics. We don't expect everyone to know every injustice inflicted on people throughout history, but when it is in thread (and an A-Game thread at that) we do at least expect posters to engage with the actual history here and be thoughtful about it when discussing it in the thread.

You are banned for a week.

I have absolutely no clue about what all of this is about. Also, I'm not a native English speaker, but I'm not even sure that this rant is in English. Just look at the first paragraph.

So, let's say that I'm a new subscriber and all eager to abide to the rules of the site. I look at the "Infractions" forum to see what is considered "no no" and... I get this?! Sorry, but I don't want to pay a lawyer just to post on a hobby site. I guess that soon or later a lot of people will reach the same conclusion.

Quote from: Reckall on March 13, 2021, 07:58:56 AM

Quote from: wmarshal on March 12, 2021, 09:46:37 PM
Over the last two days they've handed out 4 straight 7-day bans in a row. It seems the mods there are spiraling to a new level of enforcement against bad thoughts.

I went there and I read the "motivations" (for the lack of a better word) for some of the most recent bans - and I think that they have an even bigger problem: these "motivations" are incomprehensible.

I'm not talking about "well, they dropped the ball here; this was not a good reason for banning someone..." I'm talking about "literally, not being able to understand what they are saying".

When they went against someone for "denigrating McNuggets" that was the reason. You could agree, disagree or laugh, but it was clear and to the point. That was the reason.

Today you get:

Not too far before this post, there are multiple posts talking about the Residential Schools and why the idea the idea that an entire culture could be damaging and people, particularly children, need to be removed from it for their own good is a BAD IDEA. Despite this, you appear to have ignored those comments and basically restate the reason that that Residential Schools were created.

This is an A-Game Thread, and your post fails on at least two points:

Be respectful of lived experiences.

Be thoughtful

Also from the Racism Policy:

Denying racism subtext in certain depictions of fantastic culture

I will just add for emphasis that the Residential Schools are not all that long in the past. The last of the Canadian Residential schools was only closed in 1996. Nor is this limited to Canada. The Indian Placement Program, proponents of which actually claimed it would make the students white, operated in the United States from 1954 to 1996.

These are not abstract or theoretical topics. We don't expect everyone to know every injustice inflicted on people throughout history, but when it is in thread (and an A-Game thread at that) we do at least expect posters to engage with the actual history here and be thoughtful about it when discussing it in the thread.

You are banned for a week.

I have absolutely no clue about what all of this is about. Also, I'm not a native English speaker, but I'm not even sure that this rant is in English. Just look at the first paragraph.

So, let's say that I'm a new subscriber and all eager to abide to the rules of the site. I look at the "Infractions" forum to see what is considered "no no" and... I get this?! Sorry, but I don't want to pay a lawyer just to post on a hobby site. I guess that soon or later a lot of people will reach the same conclusion.

The opening paragraph has a few words the mod obvously forgot to delete when drafting the reply but I understand what they were getting at.

In short the banned poster effectively said maybe moving orcs from being raised by Sauron or other villian would be the equivalent of moving an abused child to a non toxic environment and allow them to grow up to be less hateful.

The mod is taking umbrage at this and compares it to colonial Residential schools (like in Canada and Australia) where First Nation, Aborigines and so forth were forcefully removed from their parents and brought up in a Western educational environment and often different parents.

That's the reasoning. It is nonsense and pretty abstruse reasoning at that. Though perhaps not entirely incomprehensible for TBP at least (baring the sloppy editing which I guess if you're not an English speaker might be harder to work through).

But then at this point maybe I'm like a lobster being slowly boiled in water. I have incrementally been able to follow each illogical step they make. (Like I say comedy gold)

I honestly think the TBP admin take the viewpoint of 'interpret any reported post in the worst way possible, with the worst assumptions'.

In other words, always proceed from the stance that the poster in question is speaking in bad faith, etc.

Which is a fascinating way to pare back your forum population, if nothing else.

Quote from: Reckall on March 13, 2021, 07:58:56 AM

Quote from: wmarshal on March 12, 2021, 09:46:37 PM
Over the last two days they've handed out 4 straight 7-day bans in a row. It seems the mods there are spiraling to a new level of enforcement against bad thoughts.

I went there and I read the "motivations" (for the lack of a better word) for some of the most recent bans - and I think that they have an even bigger problem: these "motivations" are incomprehensible.

I'm not talking about "well, they dropped the ball here; this was not a good reason for banning someone..." I'm talking about "literally, not being able to understand what they are saying".

When they went against someone for "denigrating McNuggets" that was the reason. You could agree, disagree or laugh, but it was clear and to the point. That was the reason.

Today you get:

Not too far before this post, there are multiple posts talking about the Residential Schools and why the idea the idea that an entire culture could be damaging and people, particularly children, need to be removed from it for their own good is a BAD IDEA. Despite this, you appear to have ignored those comments and basically restate the reason that that Residential Schools were created.

This is an A-Game Thread, and your post fails on at least two points:

Be respectful of lived experiences.

Be thoughtful

Also from the Racism Policy:

Denying racism subtext in certain depictions of fantastic culture

I will just add for emphasis that the Residential Schools are not all that long in the past. The last of the Canadian Residential schools was only closed in 1996. Nor is this limited to Canada. The Indian Placement Program, proponents of which actually claimed it would make the students white, operated in the United States from 1954 to 1996.

These are not abstract or theoretical topics. We don't expect everyone to know every injustice inflicted on people throughout history, but when it is in thread (and an A-Game thread at that) we do at least expect posters to engage with the actual history here and be thoughtful about it when discussing it in the thread.

You are banned for a week.

I have absolutely no clue about what all of this is about. Also, I'm not a native English speaker, but I'm not even sure that this rant is in English. Just look at the first paragraph.

Speaking as a native english speaker, that's not english. That's woke jargon speak. Your confusion is intentional.

Quote from: Visitor Q on March 13, 2021, 08:16:40 AM
In short the banned poster effectively said maybe moving orcs from being raised by Sauron or other villian would be the equivalent of moving an abused child to a non toxic environment and allow them to grow up to be less hateful.

You see, nothing good comes of this sort of thespy nonsense.

They're orcs. Kill them all!

Ah but nobody ever asks if a human child removed to orcish culture would grow up tougher, more resilient, better able to accept differences in others, and compliant to the needs of a society rather than entitled and selfish.  Probably because they'd die and be in the soup by noon-time.

My orcs grow faster than humans and are ambulatory within a few hours of birth and they are vicious and territorial little suckers, more like a room full of wolverines and badgers and they come in decent sized litters too.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 13, 2021, 08:25:58 AM
I honestly think the TBP admin take the viewpoint of 'interpret any reported post in the worst way possible, with the worst assumptions'.

In other words, always proceed from the stance that the poster in question is speaking in bad faith, etc.

Which is a fascinating way to pare back your forum population, if nothing else.

  Based on years of observation, I agree with this--their constant repetition of 'the onus is on the poster to be clear' has led to an exaggerated form of the Heckler's Veto where anything that might be offensive must be offensive, regardless of any intent. Haven't some of the antitheologians of the Death Cult over there been saying that 'intent doesn't matter, only impact'?

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on March 13, 2021, 10:04:23 AM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 13, 2021, 08:25:58 AM
I honestly think the TBP admin take the viewpoint of 'interpret any reported post in the worst way possible, with the worst assumptions'.

In other words, always proceed from the stance that the poster in question is speaking in bad faith, etc.

Which is a fascinating way to pare back your forum population, if nothing else.

  Based on years of observation, I agree with this--their constant repetition of 'the onus is on the poster to be clear' has led to an exaggerated form of the Heckler's Veto where anything that might be offensive must be offensive, regardless of any intent. Haven't some of the antitheologians of the Death Cult over there been saying that 'intent doesn't matter, only impact'?

Which is unintentionally hilarious in itself, since wokeism/radleft thought is ALL about the intent, not necessarily the result.

No, whatever they may claim, the SJW is all about taking ground and holding it.  The means and methods for the battle before or the battle after are irrelevant.

Quote from: David Johansen on March 13, 2021, 12:44:46 PM
No, whatever they may claim, the SJW is all about taking ground and holding it.  The means and methods for the battle before or the battle after are irrelevant.

True, but to quote James Gandolfini in "In the Loop", "After a war you need to have someone on the ground, or it will look like you lost."

Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 13, 2021, 08:25:58 AM
I honestly think the TBP admin take the viewpoint of 'interpret any reported post in the worst way possible, with the worst assumptions'.

In other words, always proceed from the stance that the poster in question is speaking in bad faith, etc.

Which is a fascinating way to pare back your forum population, if nothing else.

Better to to ban 10 innocent posters then to let one racist walk free.

They are on the front lines there!

Quote from: TJS on March 13, 2021, 03:14:09 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 13, 2021, 08:25:58 AM
I honestly think the TBP admin take the viewpoint of 'interpret any reported post in the worst way possible, with the worst assumptions'.

In other words, always proceed from the stance that the poster in question is speaking in bad faith, etc.

Which is a fascinating way to pare back your forum population, if nothing else.

Better to to ban 10 innocent posters then to let one racist walk free.

They are on the front lines there!

No. At TBP, there are no innocent posters, only those whose guilt is not yet enough to get them banned.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 13, 2021, 10:40:32 AM
Which is unintentionally hilarious in itself, since wokeism/radleft thought is ALL about the intent, not necessarily the result.

It is and it isn't. It's very Screwtapian, really: in all situations where you can claim grievance against someone else for their actions, the effect is all that matters, not the intent; but in all situations where someone is claiming grievance against you for the outcome of your actions, the correct intent is all that matters, regardless of results.  It's another heads-we-win-tails-you-lose kafkatrap.