Quote from: captain_jimmy on February 25, 2021, 02:49:44 PM
They're at it again!
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/so-jordan-peterson-keeps-poppin-up-in-my-youtube-recommendations.877643/post-23761472

Mod throws their weight around and uses redtext to decide what is and isn't acceptable in a thread.

Not "again". "Still".

It's constant. They never stop, and they never will.

I think this Lewis Carroll quote is appropriate..
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

Quote from: captain_jimmy on February 25, 2021, 03:19:19 PM
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

C.S. Lewis, not Lewis Carroll; but yes, I agree. I've seen that one pop up a lot recently.

Quote[User is] ... banned for one day for each of the following things:
1. Do not PM mods about redtext.
2. We don't accept third party appeals.
3. DO NOT PM MODS ABOUT REDTEXT!!
4. Holdoing
5. Blatant holdoing
6. DO NOT PM MODS ABOUT REDTEXT!!
7. Really blatant holdoing

I guess there are degrees of holdoing that I didn't even know existed.

Quote from: zircher on February 25, 2021, 04:31:57 PM

Quote[User is] ... banned for one day for each of the following things:
1. Do not PM mods about redtext.
2. We don't accept third party appeals.
3. DO NOT PM MODS ABOUT REDTEXT!!
4. Holdoing
5. Blatant holdoing
6. DO NOT PM MODS ABOUT REDTEXT!!
7. Really blatant holdoing

I guess there are degrees of holdoing that I didn't even know existed.

It's Holdo-ing all the way down.

It's interesting. They could've handed Holdo's role over to an established character -- Mon Mothma, for example -- but then they would have to explain where Mothma's brains leaked out for doing stupid shit, as she was depicted as a major political and military player in the Rebellion.

Or handed it off to Leia, but then, same problem.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on February 25, 2021, 09:24:52 AM

Quote from: Snark Knight on February 24, 2021, 08:43:32 PM

Quote from: Brad on February 24, 2021, 03:01:04 PM
Wtf is "Holdoing"? Also, I thought we weren't supposed to assume anyone's gender, or does that only apply when it won't benefit them? Like I will be nicer to chicks, but it's bad to be nicer to chicks unless they are getting free drinks, even though I'm a terrible person for assuming they want a free drink or that they're female, but I had better buy them that drink lest I be an asshole.

And then modern Western women wonder why they're dying alone with their cats...

It's doing a heckin' sexism by criticising TBP moderator Qweens (:pray:) because something, something, toxic masculinity means those who're identified as women receive more 'blowback on moderator decisions'.

The term probably refers to when people were critical of Holdo in The Last Jedi, but the pushback against that from the Usual Suspects came in the form of "you just can't tolerate a Strong Woman(tm) in a position of authority!" rather than because both her leadership strategy and actions were genuinely terrible.

This, pretty much. What surprises me is that they opted to call it 'Holdo-ing' since the character in question really wasn't particularly competent (I've heard comparisons to the infamous Steiner 'social generals' from Battletech. Fairly apt, in my opinion).

But yeah, they consider any criticism of their oh-so-fragile fem moderators as 'Holdo-ing'. How dare you! (spoken in snotty Swedish accent)

The only way you can question a mod call is to email their general gmail account... which may get read, eventually. No guarantees they'll get back to you.

The best part is the assumption that when certain moderators are complained about more, it is a function of the complainers, not the mod.  Maybe the fact that a mod gets more complaints is because they are worse at it?  "Holdoing" serves the same purpose as accusations of racism.  It acts as a shield for the incompetent.  See, there are stupid people of every race, color, and creed.  By reflexively rejecting responsibility for performance, these accusations serve to immunize the stupid who deserve to be rejected.  Good mods (or anything, really) don't need that much defending.  So SJWism is really just a defense mechanism for those that are actually inferior.  It just conflates legitimate complaints about inferiority with baseless ones about race and sex.  "No, I can't be a moron.  I'm a woman!"

Quote from: Eirikrautha on February 25, 2021, 10:49:41 PMThe best part is the assumption that when certain moderators are complained about more, it is a function of the complainers, not the mod.  Maybe the fact that a mod gets more complaints is because they are worse at it?

...Good mods (or anything, really) don't need that much defending.  So SJWism ... just conflates legitimate complaints about inferiority with baseless ones about race and sex.

And it also doesn't help that this conflation can create bad results whichever direction you take the policy -- whether one defaults to assuming all complaints are legitimate unless proven otherwise, or assume all complaints are baseless bigotry unless proven otherwise, you're going to screw over somebody's good faith criticisms sooner or later.

I admit to some surprise at my own cynicism about the matter but I am more and more beginning to think that the only really fair moderation policy is the one I have seen here, among others, to wit: "Our space, our rules. We don't care who else you tick off, but don't tick us off."  (Which I basically think is what TBP's policy amounts to, at this point: I would just have more respect for them if they'd admit it.)

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser on February 25, 2021, 03:24:48 PM

Quote from: captain_jimmy on February 25, 2021, 03:19:19 PM
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

C.S. Lewis, not Lewis Carroll; but yes, I agree. I've seen that one pop up a lot recently.

Yep, my bad.

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser on February 26, 2021, 01:25:39 PMI admit to some surprise at my own cynicism about the matter but I am more and more beginning to think that the only really fair moderation policy is the one I have seen here, among others, to wit: "Our space, our rules. We don't care who else you tick off, but don't tick us off."  (Which I basically think is what TBP's policy amounts to, at this point: I would just have more respect for them if they'd admit it.)

I think the problem may be one or more moderators over there and other fora with both an agenda that follows the usual death spiral, and possibly some moderators brainwashed into believers. And its obvious one or two are also power tripping and really do not care what the rules are because all that matters is the rush they get from banning someone. Or worse. The rush from banning someone innocent of any wrongdoing and painting that person as evil now.

Others are complete cyphers as to why they are acting so. But we see the same gradually over on BGG where their old logo was removed because it was not "inclusive" enough. Or games are being censored because they are deemed "offensive". Except over there your game can ever so conveniently be overlooked if you grease some palms.

Its upsetting really to see people who used to be fine going gradually more and more not fine. It reminds me far too much of relatives who went slowly insane. Two of which spent their final years in an utterly horrific living death.

Well the Social Justice Werewolf has been permabanned for questioning mods. Apparently the mods made him promise before to stay away from 'political' threads, though that would seem to be nearly impossible to honor since under the Woke lense everything is political, and to disagree that all is political is to be a horrible person. Another member got banned from Trouble Tickets for asking if one might be better off to not ask questions about mod calls. He got his answer.

If somebody tried to make a script of this for a movie mocking Wokeness I think most folks reviewing scripts would send it back as ridiculous.

Quote from: Omega on February 26, 2021, 02:53:57 PM

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser on February 26, 2021, 01:25:39 PMI admit to some surprise at my own cynicism about the matter but I am more and more beginning to think that the only really fair moderation policy is the one I have seen here, among others, to wit: "Our space, our rules. We don't care who else you tick off, but don't tick us off."  (Which I basically think is what TBP's policy amounts to, at this point: I would just have more respect for them if they'd admit it.)

I think the problem may be one or more moderators over there and other fora with both an agenda that follows the usual death spiral, and possibly some moderators brainwashed into believers. And its obvious one or two are also power tripping and really do not care what the rules are because all that matters is the rush they get from banning someone. Or worse. The rush from banning someone innocent of any wrongdoing and painting that person as evil now.

Others are complete cyphers as to why they are acting so. But we see the same gradually over on BGG where their old logo was removed because it was not "inclusive" enough. Or games are being censored because they are deemed "offensive". Except over there your game can ever so conveniently be overlooked if you grease some palms.

Its upsetting really to see people who used to be fine going gradually more and more not fine. It reminds me far too much of relatives who went slowly insane. Two of which spent their final years in an utterly horrific living death.

Is that why the logo changed? I had looked it up when it changed to see if it was pre or post Floyd; seeing it was pre I had assumed it wasn't for wokeshit reasons.

Quote from: horsesoldier on March 08, 2021, 01:13:58 PM

Quote from: Omega on February 26, 2021, 02:53:57 PM

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser on February 26, 2021, 01:25:39 PMI admit to some surprise at my own cynicism about the matter but I am more and more beginning to think that the only really fair moderation policy is the one I have seen here, among others, to wit: "Our space, our rules. We don't care who else you tick off, but don't tick us off."  (Which I basically think is what TBP's policy amounts to, at this point: I would just have more respect for them if they'd admit it.)

I think the problem may be one or more moderators over there and other fora with both an agenda that follows the usual death spiral, and possibly some moderators brainwashed into believers. And its obvious one or two are also power tripping and really do not care what the rules are because all that matters is the rush they get from banning someone. Or worse. The rush from banning someone innocent of any wrongdoing and painting that person as evil now.

Others are complete cyphers as to why they are acting so. But we see the same gradually over on BGG where their old logo was removed because it was not "inclusive" enough. Or games are being censored because they are deemed "offensive". Except over there your game can ever so conveniently be overlooked if you grease some palms.

Its upsetting really to see people who used to be fine going gradually more and more not fine. It reminds me far too much of relatives who went slowly insane. Two of which spent their final years in an utterly horrific living death.

Is that why the logo changed? I had looked it up when it changed to see if it was pre or post Floyd; seeing it was pre I had assumed it wasn't for wokeshit reasons.

TBP is deeply sensitive to any form of racism, regardless if it actually exists or not.

Reference:
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/fedifensor-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-dismissal-of-racism.878282/
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/efaun-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-seven-day-ban-downplaying-racism-right-after-redtext.878307/

What I find fascinating is how this illustrates the reactive, highly emotional tendencies of wokeists. To them, approaching the question in a dispassionate, clinical way is simply downplaying or excusing racism.

The moderator says do not treat racism as an intellectual exercise.

Antonyms:
anti-intellectual, uncultivated, lowbrowed, mindless, physical, lowbrow, nonintellectual, philistine

Uhm....ok? 

Timeless principles? Nah. Who needs those?? We have current year morality!