Quote from: Armchair Gamer on February 24, 2021, 02:45:45 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on February 24, 2021, 02:29:54 PM
Oooh, here's a tasty one.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/kastor-krieg-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-seven-day-ban-holdo-policy.877754/

Now, the 'Holdo Policy' might as well be called the 'how dare you criticize a female mod in any way, shape, or fashion, shitlord Policy'. Because that's what it amounts to. What amuses me is the guy is trying to tip toe through the social justice minefield and gets blown up anyways. Poor fellow.

  If you go back to the original thread, one of the other posters is on the path to enlightenment:

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I am not trying to borrow trouble but I also had no idea BCAugust was a woman. Is it just safer to not publicly question moderation?

It's like looking at a domestic abuse victim flinch away from their Significant Other when they raise their voice.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on February 24, 2021, 02:29:54 PM
Oooh, here's a tasty one.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/kastor-krieg-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-seven-day-ban-holdo-policy.877754/

Now, the 'Holdo Policy' might as well be called the 'how dare you criticize a female mod in any way, shape, or fashion, shitlord Policy'. Because that's what it amounts to. What amuses me is the guy is trying to tip toe through the social justice minefield and gets blown up anyways. Poor fellow.

He calls himself a "Social Justice Werewolf". I really can't feel sorry for him. The revolution eats its own.

I laughed very hard as I recognize this guy from Polish RPG community, he's like Big Purple Werewolf here, also quite classic predator pretending to be male-feminist, often making announcements about his oWoD - mostly Werewolf sessions for wom*n only / or with female preference.

Quote from: Wicked Woodpecker of West on February 24, 2021, 05:04:34 PM
I laughed very hard as I recognize this guy from Polish RPG community, he's like Big Purple Werewolf here, also quite classic predator pretending to be male-feminist, often making announcements about his oWoD - mostly Werewolf sessions for wom*n only / or with female preference.

If that's the case they may have made the right call in the application of the ban, even if the process of getting to the ban was ridiculous. Sounds like the classic male "feminist" predator situation. It is often those who beat their chest the most loudly on moral/ethical issues are often putting on camouflage for their own faults.

I wonder how many predators are amongst the mods. Weird and cliquely RPG types have a strong propensity to sexual deviancy, add in the male feminist factor and I shudder at the percentage.

Quote from: Wicked Woodpecker of West on February 24, 2021, 05:04:34 PM
I laughed very hard as I recognize this guy from Polish RPG community, he's like Big Purple Werewolf here, also quite classic predator pretending to be male-feminist, often making announcements about his oWoD - mostly Werewolf sessions for wom*n only / or with female preference.

So far this week, two people have been banned (one permanently) for asking a question about a moderator's call.

Like Leia said... the tighter they clench their fist, the more star systems will slip through their fingers... or something like that.

Quote from: Brad on February 24, 2021, 03:01:04 PM
Wtf is "Holdoing"? Also, I thought we weren't supposed to assume anyone's gender, or does that only apply when it won't benefit them? Like I will be nicer to chicks, but it's bad to be nicer to chicks unless they are getting free drinks, even though I'm a terrible person for assuming they want a free drink or that they're female, but I had better buy them that drink lest I be an asshole.

And then modern Western women wonder why they're dying alone with their cats...

It's doing a heckin' sexism by criticising TBP moderator Qweens (:pray:) because something, something, toxic masculinity means those who're identified as women receive more 'blowback on moderator decisions'.

The term probably refers to when people were critical of Holdo in The Last Jedi, but the pushback against that from the Usual Suspects came in the form of "you just can't tolerate a Strong Woman(tm) in a position of authority!" rather than because both her leadership strategy and actions were genuinely terrible.

I dunno, I figure there's the deleted scene where Holodo's having dinner at a fancy restaurant when she gets the call that the fleet's pulling out, so she runs for the shuttle in evening wear and inappropriate shoes and as she makes her apologies to her date she says, "I swear, I've had it with this damn resistance movement, If I was in charge I'd run it right off a cliff just to be done with it."

Quote from: Snark Knight on February 24, 2021, 08:43:32 PM

Quote from: Brad on February 24, 2021, 03:01:04 PM
Wtf is "Holdoing"? Also, I thought we weren't supposed to assume anyone's gender, or does that only apply when it won't benefit them? Like I will be nicer to chicks, but it's bad to be nicer to chicks unless they are getting free drinks, even though I'm a terrible person for assuming they want a free drink or that they're female, but I had better buy them that drink lest I be an asshole.

And then modern Western women wonder why they're dying alone with their cats...

It's doing a heckin' sexism by criticising TBP moderator Qweens (:pray:) because something, something, toxic masculinity means those who're identified as women receive more 'blowback on moderator decisions'.

The term probably refers to when people were critical of Holdo in The Last Jedi, but the pushback against that from the Usual Suspects came in the form of "you just can't tolerate a Strong Woman(tm) in a position of authority!" rather than because both her leadership strategy and actions were genuinely terrible.

This, pretty much. What surprises me is that they opted to call it 'Holdo-ing' since the character in question really wasn't particularly competent (I've heard comparisons to the infamous Steiner 'social generals' from Battletech. Fairly apt, in my opinion).

But yeah, they consider any criticism of their oh-so-fragile fem moderators as 'Holdo-ing'. How dare you! (spoken in snotty Swedish accent)

The only way you can question a mod call is to email their general gmail account... which may get read, eventually. No guarantees they'll get back to you.

EDIT: Because I didn't want to double-post, but check this out.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/how-does-an-appeal-work.877744/

My favorite: "Each user page has a Warnings tab that is visible only to that user and to the mods. A lot of our posters fret about this, and worry that it is some kind of "permanent record," or that past a certain point our bar for moderating or banning a poster gets lower.

But that is emphatically not true, and I advise you not to think of it that way. It's not a "scoreboard" (to use your term); it only provides context. Generally speaking, we weigh recent history much more heavily than the past, and most of all we look for patterns to inform our moderation."

This seems weirdly contradictory. Or is it just me?

Seems more like an excuse, the infaction does not matter as much as the overall behavior.  That way they can justify out of proportion 'punishments' for bad think.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on February 25, 2021, 09:24:52 AM

This seems weirdly contradictory. Or is it just me?

You're not wrong. It is a scoreboard. They use it as such. The claim that they weigh the recent infractions (points) more heavily than earlier infractions doesn't mean it's not a scoreboard. If true, it just means they weigh the points differently based on time gone past, but I find that claim difficult to believe.

What the mod wrote is essentially doublethink. There are probably many posters and mods at TBP who honestly hold that contradictory view, and don't realize it's doublethink. The real bastards are the ones who do understand it's doublethink, and embrace it.

The domestic abuse comparison makes me twitch, but damn if it doesn't seem appropriate.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/reiteration-on-an-old-trend-since-it-continues-to-crop-up-holdo-ing.874913/

They have basically asserted that:
(a) fem mods get more pushback than males
(b) therefore such responses are not legitimate and grounds for banning

This is so hilariously stupid, if I hadn't seen people banned over it I would assume it is a joke.

A line from R. Lee Ermey in Full Metal Jacket comes to mind: 'You are all equally worthless.' That's pretty much my reaction to TBP's moderating, regardless of creed or gender or any other characteristic.

They're at it again!
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/so-jordan-peterson-keeps-poppin-up-in-my-youtube-recommendations.877643/post-23761472

Mod throws their weight around and uses redtext to decide what is and isn't acceptable in a thread.