Quote from: Brad on February 03, 2021, 12:24:14 PM

I clicked the link and was bashed over the head with this bullshit:

QuoteWe (Wizards) recognize that some of the legacy content available on this website does not reflect the values of the Dungeons & Dragons franchise today. Some older content may reflect ethnic, racial, and gender prejudice that were commonplace in American society at that time. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed. Dungeons & Dragons teaches that diversity is a strength, and we strive to make our D&D products as welcoming and inclusive as possible. This part of our work will never end.

What values would those be? Telling people not to play D&D because they voted for someone you don't like? Or the part where you called them "literal Nazis" for not drinking the SJW Kool-Aid? History will not judge these people kindly...

What the hell, I hadn't seen that.

Jesus H Christ...

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on February 03, 2021, 12:43:03 PM

Quote from: RandyB on February 03, 2021, 11:43:46 AM
Masque is the best thing ever written for Ravenloft, right up there with the Van Richten's Guides.

  Loses a bit for me because of it uncritically accepting some Enlightenment myths (demonizing St. Cyril for Hypatia's death, the 'noble savage' concept, the glorification of folks like Voltaire), but that's a personal quirk as much as anything, and it's still a very good product.

Concur with you on the Enlightenment myths. Back in the 90s, when it was originally written, questioning the Enlightenment wasn't as widespread as it is today. Now, the myths are glaring, if minor.

Quote from: BronzeDragon on February 03, 2021, 01:07:49 PM

Quote from: Brad on February 03, 2021, 12:24:14 PM

I clicked the link and was bashed over the head with this bullshit:

QuoteWe (Wizards) recognize that some of the legacy content available on this website does not reflect the values of the Dungeons & Dragons franchise today. Some older content may reflect ethnic, racial, and gender prejudice that were commonplace in American society at that time. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed. Dungeons & Dragons teaches that diversity is a strength, and we strive to make our D&D products as welcoming and inclusive as possible. This part of our work will never end.

What values would those be? Telling people not to play D&D because they voted for someone you don't like? Or the part where you called them "literal Nazis" for not drinking the SJW Kool-Aid? History will not judge these people kindly...

What the hell, I hadn't seen that.

Jesus H Christ...

That's on every WOTC "legacy" product page. Paying the Danegeld, indeed.

Quote from: Brad on February 03, 2021, 12:24:14 PM

Quote from: BronzeDragon on February 03, 2021, 11:06:36 AM
They already did that.

Masque of the Red Death.

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/127234/Masque-of-the-Red-Death-and-Other-Tales-2e

I clicked the link and was bashed over the head with this bullshit:

QuoteWe (Wizards) recognize that some of the legacy content available on this website does not reflect the values of the Dungeons & Dragons franchise today. Some older content may reflect ethnic, racial, and gender prejudice that were commonplace in American society at that time. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed. Dungeons & Dragons teaches that diversity is a strength, and we strive to make our D&D products as welcoming and inclusive as possible. This part of our work will never end.

What values would those be? Telling people not to play D&D because they voted for someone you don't like? Or the part where you called them "literal Nazis" for not drinking the SJW Kool-Aid? History will not judge these people kindly...

I always imagine SJW dislaimers being read by Grima Wormtongue.

Quote from: BronzeDragon on February 03, 2021, 07:56:28 AM
Humans with ability score modifiers. Five kinds of them.

*ignite woke firestorm*

Back when I was into GURPS, I got tired of all the fat neckbeards statting themselves out as special forces ninja commandos because they did Scouts once when they were 12. So I wrote up templates. It was stuff like: Urban Middle Class gets Wealth+1, Strength-2, Willpower-2, that sort of thing. Nothing racial or gender-based, just class and regional.

They didn't like it much.

I am glad I found this site. As for, RPG.net, Enworld.org and the rest of the SJW movement, it is a sickness, I have had enough.

Also a fan of Dark Albion, great book!

Quote from: billmrinc on February 03, 2021, 05:36:09 PM
I am glad I found this site. As for, RPG.net, Enworld.org and the rest of the SJW movement, it is a sickness, I have had enough.

Also a fan of Dark Albion, great book!

Greetings!

Welcome, billmrinc! We are glad to have you join us here!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: BronzeDragon on February 03, 2021, 11:06:36 AM

Quote from: David Johansen on February 03, 2021, 08:01:12 AMRavenloft could be moved to Victorian England.

They already did that.

Masque of the Red Death.

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/127234/Masque-of-the-Red-Death-and-Other-Tales-2e

I know

Quote from: Kyle Aaron on February 03, 2021, 05:33:52 PM
Back when I was into GURPS, I got tired of all the fat neckbeards statting themselves out as special forces ninja commandos because they did Scouts once when they were 12. So I wrote up templates. It was stuff like: Urban Middle Class gets Wealth+1, Strength-2, Willpower-2, that sort of thing. Nothing racial or gender-based, just class and regional.

They didn't like it much.

I remember reading several different threads talking about "real world stats" on dragonsfoot and maybe SJG, been a while so memory is hazy. What's not hazy is how Every. Single. Person. had a fucking genius level IQ and ridiculous levels of professional skills. I actually wrote up a blog post years back about STR scores in D&D to make the point about how it could mean different things (mostly to justify 18 STR halflings). Per AD&D, my STR is around an 18/01, but I considered that ridiculous because I think Gygax waaaay underestimated human maximums, so I said it was more reasonable to be around 16 or 17. And that's easily my best stat. Since I still read and post on internet messageboards, my WIS, CHA, and INT are clearly sub-8, and my only real professional skill is "look competent while using a computer" at like a level 20 in GURPS terms which garners a six-figure salary. Maybe hobby skills of 12-14 range in playing drums and guitar since I actually got paid to do that stuff, like an 18 in Street Fighter II. I have a ton of GURPS disads, like Obnoxious Drunk, Allergies, Bad Sight (paid off with character points when I got LASIK, but honestly I should have used those points to get IQ over 9), Compulsive Carousing, Lecherousness,  and tons of other crap I imagine. Since I am now typing this crap out, I do have some really good Contacts and Extra Hit Points if we're using HT instead of ST for hit points. Gotta have Hard to Kill because there have been so many times I should have died but ended up coming out with no long-term injuries.

What is that, like a 30 point character or something?

The bell curve is really that not extreme.

There's a 0.46 chance of an 18 on 3d6.

If you were the smartest kid at your high school that would probably put you at 18.

That's a lot of 18s in the population.  They can't all be Einstein.

Quote from: Brad on February 03, 2021, 08:41:40 PM
What is that, like a 30 point character or something?

Most people over 35 or so have multiple Duties, Debts and Dependents, and few have more than 1-2 skills at beyond default (you had 1:1 instruction for 200 hours in Driving? Really?) reducing their total point value to under 0.

Anyway, as I discussed with Bill in the livestream today, reality is random roll, not point-buy. It's just that you can make an effort to improve your stats, but like in Classic Traveller, it takes fucking years and most people give up.

The disclaimer wouldn't irritate me so much if WotC hadn't gone out of their way to virtue signal and act like retards.

Warner Brothers had a similar disclaimer in a collection of their older cartoons.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron on February 04, 2021, 04:28:28 AM
Most people over 35 or so have multiple Duties, Debts and Dependents, and few have more than 1-2 skills at beyond default (you had 1:1 instruction for 200 hours in Driving? Really?) reducing their total point value to under 0.

Anyway, as I discussed with Bill in the livestream today, reality is random roll, not point-buy. It's just that you can make an effort to improve your stats, but like in Classic Traveller, it takes fucking years and most people give up.

Yeah, if you throw in a two mortgages, two kids, and a wife as Duties, Debts, and Dependents, then I am like a -50 point character. LAME!

I check that other sites trouble ticket forum occasionally to what is ban worthy. smh. I look up user names of folks I knew back in the day and usually there's a permaban involved. And the old user names that are still active have always toed the line. The fact there even needs to be a trouble ticket forum with that many posts should tell me something. rpg.net is toxic. When I still posted I got a 30 day ban for saying I can change whatever I want in a published adventure that I had bought. I was accused of straight-washing by a mod. I said I could change the sexual preference of an NPC if I wanted.

Looks like they're also handing out infractions and bans for messaging the mods instead of sending to an email. Totalitarianism much.

Quote from: TJS on February 03, 2021, 09:39:41 PM
The bell curve is really that not extreme.

There's a 0.46 chance of an 18 on 3d6.

If you were the smartest kid at your high school that would probably put you at 18.

That's a lot of 18s in the population.  They can't all be Einstein.

It depends on how attributes are distributed in the population. If 3d6 represents how the actual attribute is distributed in the population, then 18 isn't going to be so rare at all. If 3d6 is just for character creation then maybe not. Sometimes people use IQ/10 = Int, which works in that 10 is about average and 18 is the high end of humanity. The bell curve created by 3d6 would be different from 1/10 of the IQ bell curve of a 100 mean and 15 standard deviation. If we tried to match them up, an 18 Int would correspond to an IQ of 139 in terms of rarity in the population.