I've always wanted to try vindaloo. I'm a middleweight when it comes to spice tolerance -- not wimpy, but I found my limits in the middle ranges of sauces.

Back on topic, someone pointed this out to me. Look at this ban:
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/daz-florp-lebam-receives-a-🚫-thirty-day-ban-cultural-appropriation.876492/

And then this one:
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/thane-of-fife-receives-a-🚫-thirty-day-ban-declaring-representation-is-too-much-work.876587/

Now, consider this: they just banned two people for thirty days, one for trying to 'culturally appropriate' something, and another for pointing out the difficulty in trying to cover all the bases with representation in a broad-scale sourcebook.

Essentially, if you offer to 'tell their stories' it's cultural appropriation, and if you don't, you're marginalizing.

Why does anyone post on that forum again?

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser on February 02, 2021, 06:37:48 PM
Fortunately, such a monster is easily slain with its one universal weakness.  In the words of David Lister: "Lager! Of course! The only thing that can kill a curry!"

That's right they used beer lol. Too bad the rights to the rpg have expired and it's hard to find. I had all the books and stupidly sold them.

Quote from: Thornhammer on February 02, 2021, 09:30:21 PM
One of the things I like about this place is that I have never, ever seen a thread here where a poster timidly asks if it is "safe" for him or her to read a specific sourcebook.

Not because the poster wants to know if there is some sort of metaplot to be avoided, but because there might be some sort of disagreeable subject matter within the book.

This sort of thing makes me think there is no way in hell we'll ever see Dark Sun come back.

Ye gods forgot about the whole peoplechild immature trigger warning bullshit about a book being safe to "read". Again full retard when someone reviewed the Book of the Damned and every and any fucking page the reviewer felt the need to include trigger warnings. Every page. How do those mentally ill and possibly insane gamers over at TBP even get out of bed in the morning. I guess they need their perpetual echo chamber as most would be banned from most groups. Hell I had friend go full SJW to the point where even the hardcore Liberal of my gaming circle of friends lost his temper and ripped him a new one on Facebook. The Liberal friend and myself have had our disagreements even strong ones never ruined our friendship.

SJW would always attack us for not agreeing with him 1000% on something or refusing to push SJW carefully constructed personal narrative it seems on every subject. When they race swapped Batwoman he accused everyone who disagreed with the race swap as being racist and misogynistic. My Liberal had enough and  banned him from Facebook and his life. I was on the fence and did the same as fuck it SJWs suck your soul and ruin everything. I was surprised though with Liberal as he was always let bygones be bygones. I suppose when one annoys even a person with Liberal viewpoints their is no hope.

Quote from: Thornhammer on February 02, 2021, 09:30:21 PM
This sort of thing makes me think there is no way in hell we'll ever see Dark Sun come back.

The 4th Ed version was pretty good, and the sourcebook that got me into 4th edition.

Things change fast though. I imagine a Dark Sun made now would be a Cringe Singularity.

The 4th ed book bowlderized the origins of Muls.

From memory I think they were magical hybirds rather than explicity slave cross breeds and I don't think they were necessarily sterile (which of course means there name makes no sense.)

Quote from: TJS on February 03, 2021, 03:23:35 AM
The 4th ed book bowlderized the origins of Muls.

From memory I think they were magical hybirds rather than explicity slave cross breeds and I don't think they were necessarily sterile (which of course means there name makes no sense.)

I said Pretty Good. I didn't remember them changing Muls, and if it came up in my game, I'd probably ignore that change.

They also IIRC reskinned the Goliath race into Half-Giants, and removed their funky alignment changing rule.

Quote from: Thornhammer on February 02, 2021, 09:30:21 PM
This sort of thing makes me think there is no way in hell we'll ever see Dark Sun come back.

Dark Sun
Oriental Adventures
Ravenloft
Dragonlance

Oh sure some of these will be back. But in name only as they will have been run through "sensetivity" agenda scensors to the point they barely resemble what they were.

Quote from: TJS on February 03, 2021, 03:23:35 AM
The 4th ed book bowlderized the origins of Muls.

From memory I think they were magical hybirds rather than explicity slave cross breeds and I don't think they were necessarily sterile (which of course means there name makes no sense.)

2e original they were cross breeds in the slave pits and are sterile.
2e Revised was the same and adds that muls have been a thing for as long as humans and dwarves have interacted.
3e Same, but minus the long history.
OGL(fanmade?) Same but now difficult and frequently kills the mother before she can give birth.
4e they are still cross breeds, but no mention of being sterile. And apparently now can grow hair?

Quote from: Omega on February 03, 2021, 04:12:17 AM
3e Same, but minus the long history.
OGL(fanmade?) Same but now difficult and frequently kills the mother before she can give birth.

This was always part of the setting.  Although it may have been stated in one of the novels rather than in the rule books.

Quote from: Omega on February 03, 2021, 04:12:17 AM
4e they are still cross breeds, but no mention of being sterile. And apparently now can grow hair?

You're right, I've misremembered it.  However, reading it now they're very coy about the fact they were deliberately bred.  Sure it's unpleasant, but so is slavery.

The setting that can never be remade (properly) is actually Birthright.

Humans with ability score modifiers. Five kinds of them.

*ignite woke firestorm*

*"So, you're telling me the English^sic are wiser than the Blacks? And the Russians^sic are stupider than the Vikings? You bigot!!!111!"*

Quote from: Omega on February 03, 2021, 03:44:10 AM

Quote from: Thornhammer on February 02, 2021, 09:30:21 PM
This sort of thing makes me think there is no way in hell we'll ever see Dark Sun come back.

Dark Sun
Oriental Adventures
Ravenloft
Dragonlance

Oh sure some of these will be back. But in name only as they will have been run through "sensetivity" agenda scensors to the point they barely resemble what they were.

I'll admit that increased authenticity in Oriental Adventures might interest me.  But then one might carry that notion into Dark Sun and have detailed starvation rules and pages of rules for dehydration and sunstroke.  Ravenloft could be moved to Victorian England.  Dragonlance could have a full transcript of the "discs of Mishkal" and start a new religion.

Quote from: David Johansen on February 03, 2021, 08:01:12 AMRavenloft could be moved to Victorian England.

They already did that.

Masque of the Red Death.

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/127234/Masque-of-the-Red-Death-and-Other-Tales-2e

Quote from: BronzeDragon on February 03, 2021, 11:06:36 AM

Quote from: David Johansen on February 03, 2021, 08:01:12 AMRavenloft could be moved to Victorian England.

They already did that.

Masque of the Red Death.

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/127234/Masque-of-the-Red-Death-and-Other-Tales-2e

Masque is the best thing ever written for Ravenloft, right up there with the Van Richten's Guides.

Quote from: BronzeDragon on February 03, 2021, 11:06:36 AM
They already did that.

Masque of the Red Death.

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/127234/Masque-of-the-Red-Death-and-Other-Tales-2e

I clicked the link and was bashed over the head with this bullshit:

QuoteWe (Wizards) recognize that some of the legacy content available on this website does not reflect the values of the Dungeons & Dragons franchise today. Some older content may reflect ethnic, racial, and gender prejudice that were commonplace in American society at that time. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed. Dungeons & Dragons teaches that diversity is a strength, and we strive to make our D&D products as welcoming and inclusive as possible. This part of our work will never end.

What values would those be? Telling people not to play D&D because they voted for someone you don't like? Or the part where you called them "literal Nazis" for not drinking the SJW Kool-Aid? History will not judge these people kindly...

Quote from: RandyB on February 03, 2021, 11:43:46 AM
Masque is the best thing ever written for Ravenloft, right up there with the Van Richten's Guides.

  Loses a bit for me because of it uncritically accepting some Enlightenment myths (demonizing St. Cyril for Hypatia's death, the 'noble savage' concept, the glorification of folks like Voltaire), but that's a personal quirk as much as anything, and it's still a very good product.