The "Rebecca Borgstrom Is a Moron Law"

The Yann Waters · November 21, 2006, 08:34:05 PM

Quote from: SpikeI see, in Grimgent's link, a perfectly rational, even polite conversation between too people that see much in common, but one of them has produced something that the other doesn't like.

Yes: it's remarkable how civil he was in that discussion.

Levi Kornelsen · November 21, 2006, 08:44:14 PM

Quote from: James McMurrayI didn't need a reference to Borgstrom. Just his wailing about Amber being better than the effette and twee Nobilis did it for me. It took exactly one post. I wonder if he'll see the funny in that.

Nah, he'll think it means he's "famous."

He's the only person I know that can use the word "twee" in mid-rant and not, apparently, pause.

James McMurray · November 21, 2006, 08:45:42 PM

Being a crotchety old bastard helps with that.

Blackleaf · November 21, 2006, 09:24:26 PM

Other noteworthy quotes from later in the thread.

Quote from: BorgstromThat said, it gives me a creepy horror feeling to imagine a world where I'd hit the peak of possibility in 1999. No *way*. In 50 years, Nobilis and Amber are both going to be in the laughably crude old-school bin with 1st ed. AD&D, and if we're very lucky, people will be playing the CyberKenzer & Company retro diceless version, GodMaster.

Quote from: WujickExcellent, Rebecca! We'll have to get together and start plotting out the early 'GodMaster' playtest...

J Arcane · November 21, 2006, 09:36:24 PM

Quote from: Levi KornelsenI honestly think that the majority of the RPG community thinks he's mostly a crazy asshole. Others, who read him more often, think that he's a largely-deliberately-hyperbolic asshole, who want to provoke discussion. In the sense of "make it talk by jabbing it with a pointy thing".

However. He's also counterweight.

Whenever I feel the urge to run around going "New ideas! New games! New fancy words! So much better than the old way!", I take two Pundit rants, call me in the morning.

And that's what I appreciate about him, personally. He's still a crazy asshole, and I think Hunter S Thompson ought to rise from his grave and go at him like only HST could for bastardizing his style.

But he still manages to make some good points sometimes, and he's managed to create a pretty nifty little corner of the internet, and for that, I sometimes regret how blanketly I dismissed him all these years.

hgjs · November 21, 2006, 09:57:37 PM

Quote from: SpikeI had too, but without the quote, which to my mind is damning. I could almost understand if he was calling a comparative stranger a moron, a faceless entity, yet he's had a conversation of sorts with the woman, even a polite and reasonable one at that...

While they are still strangers, she isn't exactly faceless... which makes the personal nature of his attacks rather... :confused:

So according to some in this thread, it's insane to say bad things about people you haven't had conversations with. Yet according to others, having had contact with someone makes it worse if you say bad things about them. You just can't win!

Blackleaf · November 21, 2006, 10:07:32 PM

Hmmm. Yes, there's certainly more history here than I was aware of. Did the Pundit get banned from RPG.net for something to do with Borgstrom? I was reading an older thread here from the NutkinLand days, and it sounds like Settembrini was banned for calling her a "C-Grade Would-Be Novelist".

T-Willard · November 21, 2006, 10:23:46 PM

What I want to know, is would The Pundit rail against the advice section of one of the AD&D 2E blue DM books that pretty much mirrors what Borgstrom says?

Ian Absentia · November 21, 2006, 10:30:28 PM

Quote from: GrimGentYes: it's remarkable how civil he was in that discussion.

But was he being "honest"?

!i!

Settembrini · November 22, 2006, 02:04:19 AM

QuoteYes: it's remarkable how civil he was in that discussion.

And it didn´t do any good to his cause.

BTW, everyone is talking about the pundit wrongfully attacking the Borg and Nobilis. Nobody is talking about the merits of Nobilis. Maybe there are no merits?

EDIT: Boy he IS teh funny:

QuoteYes, there are a ton of diceless games no doubt that have been released since Nobilis, by small companies, individuals posting pdfs, guys in bunkers in montana, and talking chickens.

J Arcane · November 22, 2006, 02:36:10 AM

Quote from: James McMurrayA couple of dorks knowing what something means doesn't make it a real word any more than spoo is a real food. Besides, it was a joke, chill out.

I apologize for snapping. GM's comments rather set me off, and you sort of got caught in the crossfire when you went and did one of my other pet peeves.

David R · November 22, 2006, 02:43:35 AM

Quote from: SettembriniAnd it didn´t do any good to his cause.

He has no cause, Sett, only his need for attention.

QuoteBTW, everyone is talking about the pundit wrongfully attacking the Borg and Nobilis. Nobody is talking about the merits of Nobilis. Maybe there are no merits?

That's because this thread (and many of his others) are started to attack Borgstrom and Nob. There are some folks who like the game and start threads about its merits elsewhere. Only here, this is one of the surefire ways the Pundit can get attention.

QuoteEDIT: Boy he IS teh funny:

Nope.

Regards,
David R

beejazz · November 22, 2006, 02:50:19 AM

300+ comments on a thread concerning a topc that doesn't matter at all. Or one that somehow manages to matter even less than anything else on this site. And still manages to be pissy about it (and then calm down... and then get pissy again.)

GET OFF MY INTARWEBz!!!

NOW!

Settembrini · November 22, 2006, 02:51:02 AM

The mere fact you are right now attacking him (as a person!) without telling us one good thing about Nobilis, is proving my aforemade statement.

If you really were this secure about the "kewl otehr place", you wouldn´t be talking bad about the pundit. If he had no cause, nobody would care. Seems even you care, maybe in the contrary direction, but you care about his cause.

David R · November 22, 2006, 03:00:29 AM

Quote from: SettembriniThe mere fact you are right now attacking him (as a person!) without telling us one good thing about Nobilis, is proving my aforemade statement.

I don't care about Nob...okay I may use it for a game. No, you are talking as if folks just attack him for no reason. He starts shit, and in the course of discussions he and them make personal attacks.

QuoteIf you really were this secure about the "kewl otehr place", you wouldn´t be talking bad about the pundit. If he had no cause, nobody would care. Seems even you care, maybe in the contrary direction, but you care about his cause.

What has the other place got to do with this? He does not have a cause but does that mean, I can't point out his delusional nonsense?

And beejazz, point taken...no more shots fired from my end.

Regards,
David R