Quote from: ImperatorFollowing your faulty logic, that guy that made a parody portraiting you as a racist homophobe should have been right, shouldn't he? After all, you were squealing loudly about it, so that's an unquestionable proof of some kind.

It all depends on who's doing the squealing and over what, Imperator.  Let's face it, if I say you rape puppies and try to spread that news around, you have a right to point out that I'm promoting a blatant lie in an effort to slander you.

On the other hand, what we have here is me hitting at one of the favoured "Swine games", one that almost epitomizes their preferences, because its ALL style and ZERO substance. Its utterly void of redeeming value other than a pretty cover and glossy paper.

Its also the best con job the swine ever pulled. It is literally the "emperor has no clothes" scenario of Roleplaying.

Why is Borgstrom a "great designer" and not in fact an utterly incoherent writer of crap that she is? Because the fashionistas declared her to be.
Its the RPG equivalent of someone throwing a bucket of their own feces against a canvas, and a bunch of fuckers in black berets declaring "now THIS is art!!!", then claiming that anyone who argues that this is not art is clearly just "incapable of understanding the brilliance of the artiste".

So here, the masses of swine are squealing because of the revelation of an inconvenient TRUTH that shatters their little game of juggling with reality.

Its all the usual suspects. When they start their little piggie squealing, you know Uncle Pundit's got them by the curly tail.

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Quote from: TonyLBWow.  You're not merely high on your own rhetoric.  You're actually insane.  I didn't realize until now.

Cool!

And you're a dirty little liar, who secretly looks down upon everyone that doesn't game like you do.

My hatreds, sir, are out in the open. That makes me honest.
Yours are hidden behind a very false veneer of civility while with the other side of your face you express contempt for the "unwashed masses" you claim you could co-exist with.  That makes you scum.

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Quote from: RPGPunditSo you're saying.. "no".

Nope. What I'm saying that unless that PC already possesses some ability which would allow him to transform an ordinary sword into a magical weapon, "I decide that this is a Sword of Dragonslaying" isn't going to work. He can try and cry and squeeze his eyes shut and wish really hard, but the piece of metal isn't going to change in any way. And the player must have known that to begin with.

As I repeated in the other thread, the Monarda Law only addresses the actions of the characters, not the wishes of the players. Those characters can always attempt to figure out some way of getting their hands on swords like that, but the players cannot simply choose to have them given to the PCs. There is no rule or mechanic for "instant gratification".

Quote from: GrimGentNope. What I'm saying that unless that PC already possesses some ability which would allow him to transform an ordinary sword into a magical weapon, "I decide that this is a Sword of Dragonslaying" isn't going to work. He can try and cry and squeeze his eyes shut and wish really hard, but the piece of metal isn't going to change in any way. And the player must have known that to begin with.

As I repeated in the other thread, the Monarda Law only addresses the actions of the characters, not the wishes of the players. Those characters can always attempt to figure out some way of getting their hands on swords like that, but the players cannot simply choose to have them given to the PCs. There is no rule or mechanic for "instant gratification".

So, again, you're saying "no".

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Quote from: RPGPunditSo, again, you're saying "no".

To what?

"Can a Sword of Dragonslaying suddenly and spontaneously and without any explanation appear in my character's hand?" "How the heck would that happen?"

"Can my character turn this rusty sabre into a Sword of Dragonslaying?" "Not with those Domains and Gifts, he can't. But checking his little black book might turn up someone who can do that for him, if the price is right..."

"Can my character search for a Sword of Dragonslaying?" "Of course."

Quote from: RPGPunditAnd you're a dirty little liar, who secretly looks down upon everyone that doesn't game like you do.

Wow ... it's so secret that even I don't know about it?  Like, my boundless contempt (along with, one presumes, my spectacular mutant powers) is locked away behind mental blocks in order to prevent me from unleashing my utter butt-kicking on an unprepared world?  What an awesome backstory!

Or ... darn.  I just thought of another explanation, but it's much less interesting.  Maybe I just genuinely don't despise everybody who isn't like me.  That's probably a simpler way to explain why I act as I do.  Stupid Occam's razor.  I wanted super-powers. :mad:

Quote from: RPGPunditBoy, I don't think you know what war we're fighting here... we're not the ones doing the crushing, we're the ones trying to bite at the boot and shouting "don't tread on me".

That's why y'all need me. You're not going to get anywhere with the Swine by being nice, or by saying "Live and let live". We tried all that before, and they've shown that they need, as part of their raison d'etre, to subvert mainstream gaming.
So we need to wipe them out, or at the very least kick them to the curb of our hobby.

Their weapons are dirty rhetoric, jargon that empowers their side's position, and interpretations of constructed reality.
Therefore our weapons must be smarter more-capable rhetoric, the re-definition of jargon to subvert their positions, and interpretation-shattering Truths.

Now, I don't know what you think I'm up to here. I have claimed no "authority" as a gaming "personality", other than the authority of being a gamer. I'm just a man who would have been happy playing my games and shooting shit on the internet, until the Swine swarmed all over the internet turning it into an unfriendly place.
But shit, boy, I'm no candidate for fucking president; I'm just apparently the only guy who actually knows how to beat these fuckers at the battle they're fighting. That's why they hate me, and fear me, so much.

Its not pretty, but if you really believe there's a "reasonable gaming movement" that can include both the normal gamers and the Swine, you've got your head so far up your ass you can see your esophagus.
They're out to slice your stomach open and gnaw at your intestines, and you're trying to invite them for fucking tea.

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If I may borrow a meme from elsewhere....


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Quote from: RPGPunditThere have been an inordinate number of swine showing up lately to try to slag me/defend Nobilis.

I must really be onto something...

Now, you see, I thought this might just be some silly game you were playing, but you were serious?  And here I thought I was playing along.  I figured getting you to call Rebecca a "cunt" and me a "fucker" meant I was scoring points.

QuoteMy hatreds, sir, are out in the open. That makes me honest.

Nah, I called you on that in your first thread.  Even in your third thread on this topic, while you've finally copped to admitting that you really wanted to start a thread about your own GM style, you still lack the balls to keep Rebecca Borgstrom's name out of the title.  And now you're sinking to deleting posts in that thread that object to that?  Ladies and gentlemen, we are witnessing the beginning of the long slide that RPGPundit swore would never happen.  I'm sorry to see that.

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Quote from: GrimGentTo what?

"Can a Sword of Dragonslaying suddenly and spontaneously and without any explanation appear in my character's hand?" "How the heck would that happen?"

"Can my character turn this rusty sabre into a Sword of Dragonslaying?" "Not with those Domains and Gifts, he can't. But checking his little black book might turn up someone who can do that for him, if the price is right..."

"Can my character search for a Sword of Dragonslaying?" "Of course."

Hmm, yup.. that's a "no" alright.
So what's the fucking point if the only thing you're really doing is avoiding mouthing the sound of the letters "n" & "o", but in practice are doing the exact same thing?

You're really trying to argue THAT was the purpose of the law? To say "You shouldn't say no to the players, but you can say a thousand different things that essentially MEAN no anyways"? Its like someone else put it, you're just saying "roll a d6" when you know the "difficulty" is 7.

IF this is really what the "law" is about, then Borgstrom would be just an idiot for writing it, because its a pointless meaningless "law" that accomplishes nothing.
If not, then you are clearly twisting her law to make it playable, meaning that even you, deep down inside, realize that the Monarda law is unplayable junk.

So which is it?

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Quote from: Ian AbsentiaNow, you see, I thought this might just be some silly game you were playing, but you were serious?  And here I thought I was playing along.  I figured getting you to call Rebecca a "cunt" and me a "fucker" meant I was scoring points.Nah, I called you on that in your first thread.  Even in your third thread on this topic, while you've finally copped to admitting that you really wanted to start a thread about your own GM style, you still lack the balls to keep Rebecca Borgstrom's name out of the title.  And now you're sinking to deleting posts in that thread that object to that?  Ladies and gentlemen, we are witnessing the beginning of the long slide that RPGPundit swore would never happen.  I'm sorry to see that.

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Dude, you really don't know what you're talking about.
The original thread was a repost of an old blog entry. One where, at that time, there had recently been a thread on RPG.net where Borgstrom tried to defend the "monarda law".

Hence the name of my Law, that and making fun of Borgstrom's tendency to pick incredibly stupidly pretentious names for her "laws".

As for keeping it in the title ever since, I have done that for consistency, and with knowledge of the fact that it annoys the crap out of the Swine. There's no hidden motive there...

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Quote from: RPGPunditSo what's the fucking point if the only thing you're really doing is avoiding mouthing the sound of the letters "n" & "o", but in practice are doing the exact same thing?

But you are the one arguing that the players will attempt to do things which they already know to be impossible according to the rules of the game. Sure, they can always try to do the impossible, just as you could jump up and down in the middle of the street screaming "I'm Superman! Watch me fly! Whee!" And they will fail, because the game mechanics and the conventions of the setting state that it cannot be done.

Now, if someone wishes to search for that Sword of Dragonslaying, that's their right, as long as they also understand that it will take some effort and may cost more than they think. If the sword turns out to be an Abhorrent Weapon which once slew the bravest of Aaron's Serpents whose memory is still honoured by their kind, and if the Serpents should discover that the damned sword now has a new bearer... Well, that is a challenge.

Quote from: RPGPunditHence the name of my Law, that and making fun of Borgstrom's tendency to pick incredibly stupidly pretentious names for her "laws".

Monarda is the only "law" in Nobilis which has any bearing on how the game is played. All the others exist only in the setting. They are fluff, if you will.

Quote from: RPGPunditBoy, I don't think you know what war we're fighting here... we're not the ones doing the crushing, we're the ones trying to bite at the boot and shouting "don't tread on me".

If that's the case, D&D would not be the biggest game out there at the moment, would it?

At the end of the day, the "Swine" simply have access to the same tools as you do: the internet, word of mouth, and their wallets. The largest game companies will always be the ones which publish the biggest-selling games, and the gaming public's wallets are firmly behind D&D. D&D, for better or worse, is the RPG that the non-gaming public associated with the hobby, and as such the word of mouth victory is D&D's.

That leaves the internet, your major sphere of operations. Where, erm, the largest and most active forums tend to talk about D&D an awful lot.

Given that you're in Uruguay and, as I understand it, don't have a handy local gameshop, you might be forgiven for thinking that the indie RPGs are crowding out the D&D books. They really, truly aren't. Most game shops I've been to haven't had any. Their major marketplace is the internet. (That's why they promote themselves so much there - if they didn't have a vocal internet presence, they'd die.)

Nobody is being converted in droves to Forge games. The large contingent of White Wolf fans were never satisfied with D&D anyhow. D&D is still the major player in the market.

When you shout about being oppressed like this, you end up sounding like a Fundamentalist Christian complaining about being "oppressed" in the freaking USA. Think about that for a moment.

Warthur, I agree with you. Also: Pundit, you're really getting me to pity you. I mean, you look so opressed. I've never thought of that.

Oh man, his opression is new to you? This shit is way funny when you come to realize that Pundit dwells in a world in which...wait for it....

The biggest, most popular, most successful roleplaying game in the world is not only in constant and very real danger of being gutted into financial ruin by Swine games*, which are doomed to forever be insignificant failures because no-one plays them, but that only his constant vigilance and vitriolic quasi-informed rants to his loyal army of two dozen prevent this. Not being popular, not being a good game, not providing fun to kids with disposable income, imagination, and time to kill; only by his sheer strength of will can the industry leader (by, like, orders of magnitude) be kept from being ground under the heel of small-press games with 200 sold copies to their name and a company staff of four.

* Read: games he doesn't like, or are liked by people who managed to not get banned from the Big Purple.