Ok, I was going to go away and not look at the forums but I happened to read this thread and enough is enough with RPGPundit's constant bullshit.   It may get me banned, but I can't take any more of his crap.

Quote from: RPGPunditYup.  I like hyperbole as a rhetorical tool as much as the next guy, maybe a little more.

Anyone who reads your posts knows this.

Quote from: RPGPunditBut I've got nothing on these fuckers.  Of course, when you're going in unarmed to a battle of wits, personal slander is pretty well the only weapon you've got going for you.

RPGPundit

Nope, Personal Slander is not a weapon, it simply shows that you have nothing of value to add to the argument and your side of the argument is bankrupt.

Quote from: Geek MessiahIt may get me banned, but I can't take any more of his crap.

Calling bullshit on each other will not get you banned around here.

Quote from: RPGPunditYes, well, that's the main difference between them and us.  Their sites have to censor us, because all they've got to base their arguments on are delusions and lies.

Coming from someone who posts things that come from delusions and lies I find that funny.

QuoteWe have the truth, so they can come here and bark all the like like the dogs they are, and they'll still be defeated. We're not scared of them the way they're scared of us.

RPGPundit

Pundit, you arent going to win because there isnt a war.  You are a small fringe site that most people dont know exists or cares about (much the same way my two former rpg sites, now sold) are.    Rpg.net doesnt care about your so called war nor does Enworld or anyone else (and lets face it, this site and my two sites are piss-ants compared to them.

Not to mention (and listen closely) "The majority of gamers dont go online and read message forums!"   So those gamers who are on message forums are a "fringe group within a fringe hobby" that doesnt make up one percent of the world population.

Quote from: jrientsCalling bullshit on each other will not get you banned around here.

And thank the Lord Almighty for that.

Quote"The majority of gamers dont go online and read message forums!"

What might be the reasons for that?

You don't think you'll actually convince him of anyhitng, do you? He still has yet to answer wuestions about what exactly doesn't work in the game, but continues to shout about the game being completely unworkable. And he certainly isn't going to listen to anyone but himself on this, that is, unless you're stroking his ego.

Quote from: Abyssal MawFair enough.

Is there some kind of argument playbook you guys all use by the way? I can't count the times I've seen a swine argument go downhill and then it inevitably draws in something about race or politics as a defense. So far you've mentioned 'racial war' twice. I've seen other guys in the greater swine circle do this more than a few times, so it's not just you or anything.
I always totally imagine you guy sorta slinking back to whatever gated community you post freely in and saying "yeah we got into it, but then I totally got one of those racial comments off! AND I totally said he was Hitler!"

endlessly amusing.

And if your'e still curious, yes I still totally know why your'e here. Everyone does. Your'e here for public relations.

Abyssal Maw,

There are those who can, do (Create a rpg) those who can't who then hide on a message forum and insult those who can (I think we all know who we are talking about).

(woops corrected name)

Quote from: SettembriniWhat might be the reasons for that?

Generally it's one of three things:

1) They use message boards only for informational tools

2) They don't use message boards at all

3) They don't have internet access

#2 is probably the most common. Reasons for it that I've heard range from not being sociable, not wanting to "hang around with dorks," not liking the crap that flows at the first sites they come across, and probably a few others. It certainly isn't proof of a culture war though, which I get the impression you're hinting at.

Quote from: Geek MessiahWell Spike,

There are those who can, do (Create a rpg) those who can't who then hide on a message forum and insult those who can (I think we all know who we are talking about).

I don't recall seeing Geek Messiah on any books. What titles have you done? Don't take this as an "oh yeah!?" I'm really just curious. I personally think I'm capable of creating an RPG, I just don't feel like going through the trouble when there are already so many good ones available. Whether I actually can or not will probably never be known.

Quote from: SettembriniWhat might be the reasons for that?

Yanno, some people just really don't like talking about something to death, even if they really like it.  

And some people feel that Internet discussion is a futile waste of time in general, and would rather just get on with gaming.  

Some people lack the obsessive geek impulse to talk about something they like every hour of every day.  They just game, and it's one of the things they do.

Some people have active lives outside the Internet, and more important things to do than spend hours of their lives wasting time on an Internet message board.  

Some people have realized that he nature of the Internet basically makes every conversation a damn flamewar eventually, and thus give up on it.  

There's any number of gazillions of people who do not spend much time at all on message boards, and gazillions of reasons not to, gamers or not.  It's just the way it is.  The vast majority of fans of anything, whether its gaming, computers, movies, sports, you name it, do not spend any time on message boards, let alone the kind of time it takes to be a recognized member of one.

Quote from: SettembriniWhat might be the reasons for that?

Because they are busy playing role playing games and doing other things.   Game designers themselves say that the online game community is the minority because they talk directly to gamers at cons and find that most dont bother going onto rpg forums.

I wished to hell I had never gone onto a message forum.   Maybe I wouldnt have burned out of the hobby.  Because I am convinced that many of those people I talk to dont actually play (many admit to it- all these conversations happened on rpg.net btw) and the crap they throw around really jaded my view.

Quote from: Geek MessiahWell Spike,

There are those who can, do (Create a rpg) those who can't who then hide on a message forum and insult those who can (I think we all know who we are talking about).

Speaking of calling bullshit!  Questions about Pundit's motives or capabilities aside, the man hardly qualifies as 'hiding'.  Name someone who does what he does and has a higher online profile.  I dare you.

Also, any attempt to wander into 'don't critique unless you can create' territory will get a lot of people riled up.

Quote from: Geek MessiahWell Spike,

There are those who can, do (Create a rpg) those who can't who then hide on a message forum and insult those who can (I think we all know who we are talking about).

Get over yourself.

And keep the fallaciously wankish cliches for your own mental fantasy world.

You could also try getting the posters damn name right.

Quote from: James McMurrayYou don't think you'll actually convince him of anyhitng, do you? He still has yet to answer wuestions about what exactly doesn't work in the game, but continues to shout about the game being completely unworkable. And he certainly isn't going to listen to anyone but himself on this, that is, unless you're stroking his ego.

That's true.   Which is probably why he has been considered a troll on most message forums and has been banned from them.  I don't think that rpgpundit has anywhere else to get his voice (sic) heard.

Quote from: James McMurrayI don't recall seeing Geek Messiah on any books. What titles have you done? Don't take this as an "oh yeah!?" I'm really just curious. I personally think I'm capable of creating an RPG, I just don't feel like going through the trouble when there are already so many good ones available. Whether I actually can or not will probably never be known.

That's fine, it wasn't directing that at you but I doubt rpgpundit has the ability to do so.   As for titles I have done, none published.

Partly I gave up because I burned out of the hobby and secondly it would be foolish to try to get anything published in this oversaturated market.  If I were going to publish any of the works I have worked on (in various states) I would wait until the market corrected itself.