I would advise perhaps editing ones comments to discuss the Drow and their Red dragons, as IMO these two are decent examples of racism and privilege.  Well I guess the whole having to live underground thing can be taken as a set back.   But OSR wise, these were two sterling examples of racist creatures I think.

Quote from: SHARK;1141524Greetings!

Ratman! I checked the last two pages of the thread--is there some context that I'm missing? What is Rhedyn talking about? Does he think you and GeekyBugle are racists? That's fucking funny.

Has Rhedyn been having some weird argument with himself?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You quoted the post I was responding to.

Greetings!

Drow Elves are Drow-Supremacists. What's so "problematic" about that? The Drow-Elves are Ink-Black in colour, with red or purple eyes, and silver or white hair. That description has never been a problem for anyone I have gamed with. Drow-Elves are a race of evil, sadistic, subterranean-dwelling villains. Yes, they hate everyone. It makes them an interesting race and culture. All of my players love to hate the Drow! *laughing*

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK;1141522Greetings!

Hello, Hedgehobbit! What is so wrong with the "Old Guard" of the OSR and gaming in general? Rhedyn believes that the "Old Guard" of gaming are racists?

Where the hell does he get that idea? That sounds like total nonsense to me. Why would Rhedyn want to believe that?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Because I don't believe that. Part of secret racist mental judo is to defend against arguments no one made.

Nothing is wrong with the "Old Guard" and old school ideas/good GMing tactics aren't dying out. Racist people are dying out. So if someone is concerned that "OSR" won't be recognizable in the future and effectively "die out", I have to wonder what sort of things they are really going to miss.

And to put it clearly, I suspect anyone actually worried about the future of OSR, are just worried that the racists people won't be around to make content for it not that good OSR content stops getting made.

OSR is great. The woke people can't cancel it nor are they going to "ruin" it (people don't buy crap, so crap can't take over). I do suspect that consciously racist people will disappear and find it harder and harder to find anything that confirms to their view point.

If someone is wondering why an unrelated point has been interpreted as them being racists its because racists aren't kind enough to inform you of their racism and we all know full well that actual racists assholes post here. Am I 100% certain everyone I've ignored or called racists is a racists? No, but I'm not calling your employer to get you fired either or causing any other real harm. The stakes aren't high.

Quote from: oggsmash;1141521Drow, seem very racist.  Their whole society seems to be the very definition of what a racist society would look like.  And red dragons....they are so racist they even hate one another.

I am going to make my Drow into Virus deniers so that they can be even more racist.

Quote from: Shasarak;1141532I am going to make my Drow into Virus deniers so that they can be even more racist.

    Given their great material wealth, and access to fantastic health care, their obvious dedication to staying trim (no one wants to be the drow not invited to orgy night)  I am certain their denial of a virus is for certain racist.  Like a far reaching racist plot to have the virus afflict  the most vulnerable why they go on and on about not knowing anyone who has died from what ever the virus is.   Or maybe we could just keep them as murdering demon worshipers who would likely try to conspire with the Mind Flayers to put out the sun if the Mind Flayers were not so damned.....racist.

   But there is something pretty awesome about where they were introduced (the G1-3 series I think) and the modules after, the D series and the Q1.   I have those 1st edition modules on pdf, and reading them gives me goosebumps; which is of course a heavy dose of dopamine nostalgia.    I even adapted the G series for GURPs.  I have the 5th edition version too, but it strikes me odd that they did not adapt the D series and the Q1 modules to 5th edition.    Talk about a dungeon series you could get killed in....  I also thought it had a great deal of flexibility built in for the DM to do as he wished in many parts (heh maybe too much in D1 and D2.

I've been hearing something about a anti-censorship bill signed in May that could potentially take the fun away from the SJWs and make them functional members of society. This could potentially mean the cancel culture will be over soon.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1141531If someone is wondering why an unrelated point has been interpreted as them being racists its because racists aren't kind enough to inform you of their racism and we all know full well that actual racists assholes post here. Am I 100% certain everyone I've ignored or called racists is a racists? No, but I'm not calling your employer to get you fired either or causing any other real harm. The stakes aren't high.

Are you one of those secret racists? Is this some kind of weird code you use to find other racists to connect with on the internet?

Quote from: Rhedyn;1141531Because I don't believe that. Part of secret racist mental judo is to defend against arguments no one made.

Nothing is wrong with the "Old Guard" and old school ideas/good GMing tactics aren't dying out. Racist people are dying out. So if someone is concerned that "OSR" won't be recognizable in the future and effectively "die out", I have to wonder what sort of things they are really going to miss.

And to put it clearly, I suspect anyone actually worried about the future of OSR, are just worried that the racists people won't be around to make content for it not that good OSR content stops getting made.

OSR is great. The woke people can't cancel it nor are they going to "ruin" it (people don't buy crap, so crap can't take over). I do suspect that consciously racist people will disappear and find it harder and harder to find anything that confirms to their view point.

If someone is wondering why an unrelated point has been interpreted as them being racists its because racists aren't kind enough to inform you of their racism and we all know full well that actual racists assholes post here. Am I 100% certain everyone I've ignored or called racists is a racists? No, but I'm not calling your employer to get you fired either or causing any other real harm. The stakes aren't high.

You failed your roll for sanity, you're now foaming at the mouth crazy, and as such an NPC. As the GM I'm gonna have you suck my Mayan dick.

I Agree Drow are Drow Supremacists, they're also Misandrists their culture oppresses all the males preventing them from ever gaining any status/power. By the rules of the intersectional cult this means all Male Drow have the right to hate their oppressors, say anything about them, even stuff that would be deemed proff of sexism and they can't be sexists because sexism is Power + Prejudice.

We need a module where the male Drow revolt against their oppressors, put them all into camps where they can be taken out like books from a library.

Quote from: hedgehobbit;1140650The OSR is dying. And I mean that literally. Every year more founding OSR members are passing away or getting cancelled/disowned. They are being replaced by kids that think OSR just means "rules lite" or "dungeon crawling". People whose recommended OSR game is Dungeon World or Torchbearer.

If the OSR does outlive WotC, it will be unrecognizable.

I'm not sure who you mean. Do you mean the originators of the RPG hobby? Because sure, they're dying out slowly. But the OSR guys? I mean, other than Zak and Bledsaw Jr, who died or was successfully 'canceled'?

Quote from: SHARK;1141522Rhedyn believes that the "Old Guard" of gaming are racists?

Where the hell does he get that idea? That sounds like total nonsense to me. Why would Rhedyn want to believe that?

The Nazis made up libels about Jews. The Bolsheviks made up libels about Kulaks. Evil is very predictable - and repetitive.

Rhedyn would've been right at home in Salem, circa 1600 or so.

Yeah, I went there. Suck it down.

The 'Old Guard' of RPGs were anything BUT racists. Once again, rampant and half-assed attempt at rewriting history. The 'Old Guard' were the outcasts. The misfits. The peeps who just didn't fit in.

Forget being judged by 'the color of our skin', we were judged by the things we liked and didn't like.

Sexist? Yeah, some of us were socially inept. But we'd have crawled on broken glass for a girl to -talk- to us and not treat us like something she scraped off her shoe.

Pathetic attempt at rewriting history by Rhedyn, 2/10 would not recommend.

Quote from: Ghostmaker;1141570Rhedyn would've been right at home in Salem, circa 1600 or so.

Yeah, I went there. Suck it down.

The 'Old Guard' of RPGs were anything BUT racists. Once again, rampant and half-assed attempt at rewriting history. The 'Old Guard' were the outcasts. The misfits. The peeps who just didn't fit in.

Forget being judged by 'the color of our skin', we were judged by the things we liked and didn't like.

Sexist? Yeah, some of us were socially inept. But we'd have crawled on broken glass for a girl to -talk- to us and not treat us like something she scraped off her shoe.

Pathetic attempt at rewriting history by Rhedyn, 2/10 would not recommend.

Kind of like how one bad experience at a gaming table is the equivalent of being a victim of "gatekeeping". Not three or even two bad experiences just one so it's a plot to keep that particular person out of the hobby. Or maybe just maybe the first group one played with were a bunch of jerks and assholes. Same way they encounter one racist gamer and that means each and everyone is hardcore racist the equivalent of Hitler.

Don't feed or give attention to the Trolls. Rhedyn like many SJWs have crafted carefully constructed personal narratives and anything and everything that goes against said narrative is to be summarily ignored.

Quote from: S'mon;1141562The Nazis made up libels about Jews. The Bolsheviks made up libels about Kulaks. Evil is very predictable - and repetitive.

Agreed and seconded. Remember kids nothing can go against the almighty power of the Narrative!. No matter how hard anyone or everyone tells an SJW they might be wrong they are always right and we are nasty terrible racists.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1141506Most of those who responded to me are already on my "ignored racists" lists. It's comforting to see how right it was. It's amazing how hard some racists people work to create all this coded language to mingle in with regular people.

Have you blocked yourself yet? You're the one who sees a violent ugly stupid fantasy monster and thinks "black person."

You're so racist you don't even think you're racist; you think assigning people into groups based on purely cosmetic features that you label as "disadvantaged" (i.e. inferior and in need of special help) makes you better than those who just see people as people (some of whom are in circumstances where they need a genuine hand up), but you're too far gone to see how racist you are.

You thinking Orc = Black Person tells everyone just what you think of black people; you're these guys...

[video=youtube;Ev373c7wSRg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev373c7wSRg&app=desktop&persist_app=1[/youtube]

Quote from: Rhedyn;1141506It's amazing how hard some racists people work to create all this coded language to mingle in with regular people. It's funny though because now-a-days you automatically know any COVID19-denier is also racist. They are two unrelated topics so no coded language has been invented yet, but it is basically a 100% correlation between those opinions and conscious racism. Perhaps one only comes to the conclusion that "the plague is a hoax" with the same mental handicaps required to be racist.

The last guy I know who claimed that someone was using "coded language" because they were a racist, was calling a black liberal Hillary Clinton voter a racist because he used triple parenthesis for emphasis. Not the best day for rational thought with that man. Please, for your own sake, pull your head out of your ass because a lot of people here are just laughing at you now.