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Author Topic: The OneDnD Agenda  (Read 36653 times)

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Re: The OneDnD Agenda
« Reply #30 on: August 20, 2022, 05:06:45 PM »
I play all online now.  That's the price of moving to nowhere.  But I'm not in for this.

Once there's One place to play and One D&D community, it's too easy to ban you for One wrong opinion.

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Re: The OneDnD Agenda
« Reply #31 on: August 20, 2022, 05:11:26 PM »
I got into playing AD&D with the BOOKS--when I was 10 years old. No computers or digital anything necessary.

Imagine that!

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Yeah, unfortunately for us they're really pushing on that "One D&D is a living document that changes to fit the game, no more versions!" stuff will make it so even if you play with books, there will be 2 erratas/updates a month that you won't be able to print, reducing the rulebook from something well crafted, proof-read, intended to be the end all for the game - to just a piece of tat for collectors, the 'true game!' is going to be the subscription service. :/


D&D will become an Online, Living Document.  All the cool toys, bells, and whistles will be online.  If the graphics look good, and there are lots of options for customization; it will be a big hit, as long as they don't price out the poor with financial gatekeeping.
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Re: The OneDnD Agenda
« Reply #32 on: August 20, 2022, 06:03:37 PM »
the 'true game!' is going to be the subscription service. :/

Correct!  They have former Microsoft game execs in their upper leadership.  The path forward will be subscription service and the game will change a few times a year to keep things "fresh."

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Re: The OneDnD Agenda
« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2022, 06:29:40 PM »
I worked for an authorized Autodesk dealer, back in the late 1990s and early 2000s.  This was when they attempted to move all of their loyal CAD software customers, to a new subscription model.  (They saw Microsoft making the move to subscription, with Microsoft Office products) The average customer at that time, would outright purchase a single CAD product about every 4 years, for each computer they owned; and upgrade their old software. They had hard copies on the shelf, for every computer they owned.

The new subscription model was attractive the first year; because you received a large menu of different software titles, for less than the cost of a single title.  But.... 12 months later, the subscription expired, and most of the time the customer had simply forgotten that they no longer owned any of their new software.  I hated selling those subscriptions to customers.  I want to own my stuff.

I've seen this all before, first hand.


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Re: The OneDnD Agenda
« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2022, 06:34:01 PM »
OneDnD will be World of Warcraft / Everquest.

Dungeons & Dragons died at WotC with 4e.
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Re: The OneDnD Agenda
« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2022, 07:10:54 PM »
It isn't just Zoomers. Nobody wants books. Everyone wants wikis. They want to see all of their classes displayed on a table with links to take them to each individual class page. They want to see all of their spells displayed as a table arranged by level for any class they want, where they can click the spell they want. They do not want to have to remember what books to look in for all of their feats and spells and magic items. They want it all in one resource. This is why the hobby exploded in the d20 era. Most people aren't walking indices of book and page number references.
So... make a wiki for your old school rpg and make an app.
Make an audio book version.
If that is really what it takes to win gen whatevers to OSR then so be it.
This is exactly what I'm saying, yes.

A game has rules. People need to be able to look up those rules. Players want it to be easy to find the rules they need to build their character and play the game. It's really that simple.

Don't forget that a lot of people over 30 are playing in some kind of play-by-post environment and are likely to be checking a game thread at work. They really need access to the rules on their phone in order to play. It's hard to find stuff in a pdf library of World of Darkness on your phone. It's really easy to check d20pfsrd.com.

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Re: The OneDnD Agenda
« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2022, 07:23:14 PM »
The great, enduring thing about rpgs is generally speaking you are not playing pick up games with strangers, compared to say wargaming. Meaning a player does not need a centralised authority to arbitrate a rules system or what is fair.

In other words play the edition and rules you want.

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Re: The OneDnD Agenda
« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2022, 08:11:50 PM »
I started to type out a whole post on how the video-game revenue model wouldn't work for D&D, and then realized that no, I can see exactly how it would work.

The live-service model is all about having a consistent stream of assets which you can piecemeal and sell. VTTs are perfect for that. They can sell a pretty much endless stream of asset packs, customization options, dungeon tiles, etc., and their successful courting of the streamer market, and pushing of the game towards published adventure paths, means that they'll have a ready group of people who are desperate to keep up with all the new material they put out.

Sad, but true.

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Re: The OneDnD Agenda
« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2022, 08:28:29 PM »
Remember that a good GM willing to run a game that the GM enjoys will always have players, if said GM is willing to recruit widely.  The player base will easily be 20% or less of the total recruited.  That GM can run any game they want--though some games will be harder to get a player base for than others. 

What the GM in that position doesn't get is a lot of experienced players, unless very lucky or persistent.  The price of running the game your way is being willing to teach the game and bring players along.  Even assuming success of the OneDnD agenda, that changes the base of casual, semi-experienced players.  It doesn't change the base of people who would enjoy a more traditional game, because the traditional RPG, however niche, has always appealed to a slice of people who like its combination of game, decisions, emergent story, etc.

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Re: The OneDnD Agenda
« Reply #39 on: August 20, 2022, 08:49:22 PM »
I don't think you're right about computer games though. Even ignoring the fact that DnD has far less of an entry point than the average video game, Lots of computer games offer "90% of what a digital DnD session has" Off the top of my head, Neverwinter Nights with it's persistant worlds and GM tools, Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 with multiplayer, every MMO ever made. But people want to play DnD as a game for the lifestyle brand recognition. They are specifically playing that thing that Critical Role and Stranger Things said was cool. You can run One DnD on your shitty phone or tablet. Which everyone has. As opposed to a games console or a gaming PC. Which are expensive.

Incorrect. To date no MMO or PC game has come close to a real RPG experience. Some can perfectly do parts of one. But so far all but maybe one lack one or several hey things.

The main one is lack of environment interaction. And alot of PC games and MMOs lack this to a high degree. See a rock on the ground? Well unless its been coded in. You are not going to be able to pick it up. Stuff like that.

The only games that have a fair amount of this are Second Life and Minecraft. Second life takes some effort but can be done. Not well. But can be done. Minecraft allows for prety much total environment interaction. But aside from limited interaction with things like villagers. Has zero social interactions.

This has been a known thing for a really long time. But ever so often someone will claim PC games and MMOs allow everything a face to face game can. Sorry. No. It dont.

As for backers on stuff like this. A huge chunk are obviously virtue spending. A portion are also likely either clueless ir duped by the lies. The rest either don't care or are backing it to egg on racial tensions because that is what the woke love to do.

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Re: The OneDnD Agenda
« Reply #40 on: August 20, 2022, 09:01:34 PM »
Lok at all the money I will save by NOT buying One D&D. Like I have been anything WOTC lately. I don't care if it is the bestest D&D EVAR! Until WOTC renounces wokeness I will not be their customer.

Damned straight!

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Re: The OneDnD Agenda
« Reply #41 on: August 20, 2022, 09:29:18 PM »
Tasha's Cauldron of Stuff was released November 17, 2020.  Some of the changes in Tasha's, caused that to be my line in the sand for D&D 5E.  I knew I would no longer be interested in anything published after that date, for 5E.

I saw then that decades of tradition within the game, would no longer be honored by WOTC.  5E was a good rebound from 4E.  I'll give them that; but 6 years after the release of the Core 3 books for 5E, nothing really mattered anymore.  Anything and everything, would be subject to change.  Nothing would be safe, from then on.

So One D&D won't change much for me personally.  It's just a freak show from here on out.
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Re: The OneDnD Agenda
« Reply #42 on: August 20, 2022, 10:12:35 PM »
I don't know y'all. I've heard all these complaints before and it's never impacted my gaming. The hobby will get stupid small again when D&D is declared satanic again or someone else comes for it and cancels it. I mean, I could be wrong and the sky is actually falling...but I've heard this before, and while I may not know the lyrics, I know the tune.
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Re: The OneDnD Agenda
« Reply #43 on: August 20, 2022, 10:35:45 PM »
Modern WotC always reminds me of TSR when you couldn't say Demon or Devil anymore.
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Re: The OneDnD Agenda
« Reply #44 on: August 20, 2022, 11:35:26 PM »
Modern WotC always reminds me of TSR when you couldn't say Demon or Devil anymore.


So D&D 5E is becoming 2E AD&D?

Hmm..... A lot of cool settings came out in that era.  I'm afraid that isn't going to happen now.  So, we get the bad, without the good.

Dungeons & Dragons, is becoming Dung & Drag.
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