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« Reply #225 on: July 29, 2009, 05:22:39 PM »
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... Still not making much of a case for "We're not a clique" here.


If the OSR is a 'clique', it is one that anybody can join.  Anyone who likes and/or plays OS D&D can be a member.  :)
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« Reply #226 on: July 29, 2009, 05:27:25 PM »
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...Sandbox. Sword and Sorcery. Loads of hirelings. Lethal. Megadungeons. House rules galore. etc...


Not all of my games are 'sandbox'.  My players almost never use hirelings.  My adventures are not overly lethal (only one character death so far in my current campaign).  I never use 'megadungeons'.  Etc.

There is no 'dogma' or 'consensus' on these matters within the OSR.  

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...I started playing in 1979 as a nine-year-old. I don't need anyone to tell me how D&D was supposed to be played...


Same here.  Your misperceptions notwithstanding, the OSR isn't about telling people how to play D&D.  

(And, btw, dragonsfoot =| OSR.)
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« Reply #227 on: July 29, 2009, 07:43:24 PM »
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I am, however, grateful to be notified that I revere Gary Gygax and some "Edwards" chap.


Same here with Mike Mearls. Find a random 4e player offline, ask 'em who Mearls is, and watch for the "Huh?"

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« Reply #228 on: July 29, 2009, 07:46:25 PM »
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Most people involved in the OSR simply ignore 3e and 4e.


I don't really want to get involved - it's fun watching you bitch slap each other - but this is such blatant bullshit. For example, how many OSRers here piss and moan every time a 4e thread shows up? Ignore it my ass.

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« Reply #229 on: July 29, 2009, 08:11:55 PM »
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I don't really want to get involved - it's fun watching you bitch slap each other - ...


Always happy to entertain!  :)  Although, I don't see the members of the OSR "bitch slapping" each other.  Instead, we're just trying to debunk some misconceptions that certain individuals, for reasons that remain obscure to me, have concerning the OSR.

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but this is such blatant bullshit. For example, how many OSRers here piss and moan every time a 4e thread shows up? Ignore it my ass....


Perhaps some do.  :shrug:  Myself, I almost never post in a 4e thread, and in fact don't dislike it (I just don't play it).  You will not find any criticism of 4e in Knockspell or Fight On!.
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« Reply #230 on: July 29, 2009, 08:48:08 PM »
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BTW, am I considered part of the Old School clique? Seriously, I want to know.
I dunno 'bout that, but you are definitely part of the "excellent DM clique."

Thanks again for running a great adventure at SCMC2.

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« Reply #231 on: July 29, 2009, 09:06:56 PM »
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I dunno 'bout that, but you are definitely part of the "excellent DM clique."

Thanks again for running a great adventure at SCMC2.

:)

Aw shucks. I'm glad you guys enjoyed it, even though I both dropped you into the middle of a module I'd started running 2 years earlier with a 3/4 different set of players and then ran over my allotted time and cock-blocked your Boot Hill game.
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« Reply #232 on: July 29, 2009, 10:51:35 PM »
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Aw shucks. I'm glad you guys enjoyed it, even though I both dropped you into the middle of a module I'd started running 2 years earlier with a 3/4 different set of players and then ran over my allotted time and cock-blocked your Boot Hill game.
No worries - that's just an easy excuse to get together to play again. :)
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« Reply #233 on: July 29, 2009, 11:43:46 PM »
Incredible what can happen when people just don't look at their own fucking asses.

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« Reply #234 on: July 30, 2009, 07:50:54 AM »
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I just think that the problem here is that zeitgeist and social strata are rather tough to pin to actual examples more specific than the one's like I've tried to point out in this thread.

Take the video gaming community.  The so called "hardcore" group relentlessly ridicules the Wii for being "not hardcore enough", "too casual", etc. etc. and the response overall looks pretty monolithic to one not attached to their particular proclivities, but you'd be hard pressed to find any distinct cultural source of this general attitude, only that it's there, and common enough to be noticeable.  

And that isn't anything even that calls itself a "movement" though it does have it's own label.


Come on, man.  That's just a lazy cop-out.  We're talking about a movement with 134 members that document all their activities on the internet.  I could dash over to Dragonsfoot and find some solid example of loathing directed toward players of new edition in 5 minutes.  But I won't do that because A) I'm not going to construct your arguments for you and B) those guys are dicks and I stick to the parts of DF that are less dickerly.
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« Reply #235 on: July 30, 2009, 08:12:52 AM »
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We're talking about a movement with 134 members that document all their activities on the internet.


Did we lose 3? Why is everyone saying 134 now? Surely we've grown since March.

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« Reply #236 on: July 30, 2009, 10:37:09 AM »
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Come on, man.  That's just a lazy cop-out.  We're talking about a movement with 134 members that document all their activities on the internet.  I could dash over to Dragonsfoot and find some solid example of loathing directed toward players of new edition in 5 minutes.  But I won't do that because A) I'm not going to construct your arguments for you and B) those guys are dicks and I stick to the parts of DF that are less dickerly.
What I meant was, basically, these conversations are pointless.  If I make an assertion there's even so much as a general philosophy, I get demanded to provide examples.  If I provide examples, I get told "Well it's not like it's a conspiracy" and "We're all special snowflakes those guys are just different", and demands for "proof" os some kind of unifying force.

The point is there is no unifying force, there never is in these situations.  There's no one guy or one site telling all so-called "hardcore" gamers and journalists to trash the Wii, but they do it anyway.  

It's just goal post shifting, and strawmanning, and a lack of understanding how these things work (or a deliberate misunderstanding depending on how charitable you're feeling).
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« Reply #237 on: July 30, 2009, 01:20:17 PM »
But aren't you making a leap from "some guys in the group are dicks" to something more like "it's a plank in the platform of the group to behave like dicks"?  There are douchebags in any group of people.
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« Reply #238 on: July 30, 2009, 01:41:45 PM »
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« Reply #239 on: July 30, 2009, 05:41:16 PM »
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Did we lose 3? Why is everyone saying 134 now? Surely we've grown since March.


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