Quote from: StormBringer;365669Honestly, I have no idea at whom this product is targeted.

A last ditch attempt to revive the 4E product line, before they all get fired?  :rolleyes:

Quote from: Shazbot79;365664But you want actual conversation here?

RPGNET has actual conversation. Giant in the Playground has actual conversation. EN World has actual conversation.

I've seen it with my own eyes...people actually post about campaigns they are playing in, character concepts, favorite artists, etc.

I've posted about my campaigns, not much response.

In the past week, I've posted about the Geektogethers, not much response. I also posted about the fantasy version of CT I've been working on, not much response.

And no response from Shazbot79, either.

So if there's no enthusiastic game conversation happening here, it's not because I haven't been trying. Maybe some other people haven't been trying? Maybe they have an attitude problem, thinking something like...

Quote from: Shazbot79my dickishness is the only thing this board deserves.

"This board" is nothing more than the people in it. So you're saying that the people here deserve nothing more than your being a dick. I realise that so many screen nicks and cartoon avatars make us forget there are real people talking here, but that's how it is. Behind every screen nick is an ordinary geek who likes dice and cheetos like anyone else. So you're saying that every single person here deserves nothing more than your being a dick.

I only deserve your being a dick. Balbinus, Clash, John Morrow, Benoist, OneHorseTown, Brett Bernstein, Jeff Rients, Zachary the First, jibbajabber, the absent but probably lurking Doc Rotwang, all of us, every last one, deserve nothing more than your dickishness. One or two of us, I can believe it. But all of us?

I was just talking today to a guy who reckoned he'd be leaving this forum because, he said, Pundit was a weasel. I asked if I and the rest were weasels, too. He replied that I was okay, but everyone else was just an "enabler of Pundit's weaselness."

Thanks a lot for your contribution. Don't let the door hit you on your flabby arse on the way out.

I am a Pundit enabler?  I'm nearly as critical of him as I am the OSR and the Abyssal Maw RPGnet styled consumer whores!

(And that's why he doesn't like BRP.  Chaosium isn't redoing their system every 4-5 years as to make people rebuy all their shit!  OMG CHAOSIUM IS KILLING THE HOBBY.... by... having a solid fucking game system and not redoing it just to resell the same crap.  Which.. is why I keep buying CoC products even though I don't get to play it but maybe once every 5-10 years or so.  Because I know I can make use of it eventually.  And its so damned good it is easily portable to other systems if I lower myself enough to play with edition whores who play BOTH games.  Dungeons AND Dragons.)

I'm not even an enabler of myself fer fuck's sake!

But Shaz?  You don't like it?  Either be a force for positive change, troll for shits n giggles because you don't give enough of a fuck to try, or..

GET THE FUCK OUT.

Crying like a little bitch yet doing nothing to improve things makes you a tremendous cunt.

And I try to game as much as I fucking can, but its hard when the game group you helped found is playing 4e (and only half of them actually ENJOY it.), and the region in general utterly ignores the Internet or player's wanted posters that aren't about in print D&D.

Because I guess the 30 or more games I have listed as our group either played, or interested in doesn't matter.

Which is why 4e and IN PRINT ONLY D&D players can choke on a donkey dick.  Cuz they won't play anything else.

I'm going to stick up for Shazbot in this instance.

For one, I've clashed with him over 4E the same way I have with other 4E players here, but he's good at actually engaging legitimate criticism and making good counterpoints than pursuing the easy Seanchai/Abyssal Maw routine of pretending to not to understand a criticism because it's easier than admitting its validity, or pathetically screaming, "my game's popular!  Objectivity doesn't count!".

For another, I genuinely think he's misunderstood the purpose and culture of this site.

We all know about TBP, ENworld and the others, and if we want play reports or discussions of a certain nature or focus, we'll go to those sites.

TRPGS fills a different niche, is valuable for that, and would be redundant if it simply aped those other sites.

However...

Quote from: Shazbot79;365664RPGNET has actual conversation. Giant in the Playground has actual conversation. EN World has actual conversation.
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This board is dedicated to a small clique of embittered old men who got chased off of other, more constructive forums and do nothing but...

Well, most of us actually post on other forums, too.  We come here for something different.  And, as mentioned above, TBP isn't the best example of a free-ranging and inclusive site.  I stopped at 3 posts because I offered a mildly critical observation of 4E and was dogpiled by angry teenagers.

It's not a paragon of measured RPG debate.

I'm going to stick up for Shazbot in this instance.

For one, I've clashed with him over 4E the same way I have with other 4E players here, but he's good at actually engaging legitimate criticism and making good counterpoints rather than pursuing the easy Seanchai/Abyssal Maw routine of pretending to not understand a criticism because that's easier than admitting its validity, or pathetically screaming, "my game's popular!  Objectivity doesn't count!".

For another, I genuinely think he's misunderstood the purpose and culture of this site.

We all know about TBP, ENworld and the others, and if we want play reports or discussions of a certain nature or focus, we'll go to those sites.  TRPGS fills a different niche, is valuable for that, and would be redundant if it simply aped those other sites.

However...

Quote from: Shazbot79;365664RPGNET has actual conversation. Giant in the Playground has actual conversation. EN World has actual conversation.
...
This board is dedicated to a small clique of embittered old men who got chased off of other, more constructive forums and do nothing but...

Well, most of us actually post on other forums, too.  We come here for something different.  And, as mentioned above, TBP isn't the best example of a free-ranging and inclusive site.  I stopped at 3 posts because I offered a mildly critical observation of 4E and was dogpiled by angry teenagers.

It's not a paragon of measured RPG debate.

Quote from: Shazbot79;365664This board is dedicated to a small clique of embittered old men who got chased off of other, more constructive forums and do nothing but lament the state of the gaming community because now we're letting girls and anime fans in or whatever because they fancy themselves "industry experts," apparently. And woe be to those who don't want to join their self-important circle jerk.

Shazbot,
I call that whole paragraph of your's bullshit. ....especially the bolded part.

EDIT: Then I notice 2 or 3 others zap you for that post as well. Good for them.

- Ed C.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;365672In the past week, I've posted about the Geektogethers, not much response. I also posted about the fantasy version of CT I've been working on, not much response.

I read the Geektogether report, but frankly, I don't know what to reply. My questions about it were answered.

And believe me, I am very interested (and flattered) to see other people's visions of what may be under the lid of my Wanderer mock-up.
But I know that once I start to enter discussions about it I'll feel the urge to write that thing myself and I just don't have time for another project. (Maybe when my Swords & Wizardry thingie is done...?)

That's the value of the "attaboy!" comments, Dirk. Then the writer at least knows someone was actually interested.

When people write and get no response, they tend to give up writing. Which is why cocksmocks like Shazbot piss me off so much, they don't want to contribute, but still want to complain about the contributions others have made.

Put up or shut up.

The only thing I can see is that a lot of the really dedicated 4E haters here don't see the game for what it is... just a game.  So they've got this whole angry desperation/bitter spectator thing going on. It's become "the game that must be stopped!" or sometimes "the game that can't be allowed here". But always "here's the latest news about.. that game! How can we spin this or use it against.. the ENEMY??"

Which is funny, but really screwed up. It's just a game, and the only people you really end up attacking are the regular people who are enjoying it, who are real people. In most cases, really nice people. And yes, they make up the bulk of what this hobby actually is. This is regardless of anything you do ro say. And by the time you get to "well I don't consider THEM part of MY hobby.." you are just making yourself an outsider, a spectator.

So anyhow, here's the deal with the red box which I think has been missed in almost every one of these conversations. It's a game, and it ends up on the game shelf wherever you can buy or sell games. Something like this can actually end up on the shelf at Target. This has also been described as an "always in stock" type of thing.

This also isn't the only box set. This is just the red one. There's also going to be a box set of just dungeon tiles, a box set for DMs, and a monster box (which includes monster tokens or miniatures, I can't remember which..)

Quote from: Abyssal Maw;365689The only thing I can see is that a lot of the really dedicated 4E haters here don't see the game for what it is... just a game.  So they've got this whole angry desperation/bitter spectator thing going on. It's become "the game that must be stopped!" or sometimes "the game that can't be allowed here". But always "here's the latest news about.. that game! How can we spin this or use it against.. the ENEMY??"

Which is funny, but really screwed up. It's just a game, and the only people you really end up attacking are the regular people who are enjoying it, who are real people. In most cases, really nice people. And yes, they make up the bulk of what this hobby actually is. This is regardless of anything you do ro say. And by the time you get to "well I don't consider THEM part of MY hobby.." you are just making yourself an outsider, a spectator.

So anyhow, here's the deal with the red box which I think has been missed in almost every one of these conversations. It's a game, and it ends up on the game shelf wherever you can buy or sell games. Something like this can actually end up on the shelf at Target. This has also been described as an "always in stock" type of thing.

This also isn't the only box set. This is just the red one. There's also going to be a box set of just dungeon tiles, a box set for DMs, and a monster box (which includes monster tokens or miniatures, I can't remember which..)

Good post AM.

Wow. The last post i saw here last night was my joke and then everyone gets all butthurt.

Quote from: Abyssal Maw;365689So anyhow, here's the deal with the red box which I think has been missed in almost every one of these conversations. It's a game, and it ends up on the game shelf wherever you can buy or sell games. Something like this can actually end up on the shelf at Target. This has also been described as an "always in stock" type of thing.

This also isn't the only box set. This is just the red one. There's also going to be a box set of just dungeon tiles, a box set for DMs, and a monster box (which includes monster tokens or miniatures, I can't remember which..)

Good point(s) and an okay way to get people on the "gaming hook," in my opinion.  Didn't know they were going that route.

The only problem i can see for my group is the fact the boxset only covers the first 3 levels so by the time i get around to picking up the basic 3 rulebooks they'll have lost interest like every other time ive baught these beginner boxsets, they should give you the first 5 levels that way i'd have time to get the proper books and prep for lvl 6+

Quote from: Broken-Serenity;365716The only problem i can see for my group is the fact the boxset only covers the first 3 levels so by the time i get around to picking up the basic 3 rulebooks they'll have lost interest like every other time ive baught these beginner boxsets, they should give you the first 5 levels that way i'd have time to get the proper books and prep for lvl 6+

Heh. We had this argument about ten threads ago, but:

3 levels is about 30-35 encounters (fights plus roleplay). If you're doing six hour sessions, and you're a new player, you're going to get around four encounters done in each session. So that's 7 to 9 sessions before you run out of red box, give or take. If you play weekly: 2 months.

Quote from: Abyssal Maw;365620I didn;'t want to put peoples faces on the internet, especially considering I have at least one dedicated stalker and some of you guys are kinda textbook sociopaths.

But these are good people, these are the gamers that just dropped in, and had a good time, and are now part of the hobby.

These are the people you losers are shitting on. And they're better than just about any one of you. Even Mr. Whipple.

I'm hurt. You don't even know me and yet you insult me.

Naw, not really. Go ahead and think I'm a loser, I don't care really. Was just curious is all.

Quote from: Shazbot79;365663And your games are buried under it.

How the fuck would you know? You're the king of shit. Not my first go-to for opinions on anything really.