Quote from: jhkim;1036681Maybe Christopher Brady is trolling, but given other replies, I think it deserves a response.



It's not just women. Over and over again, in all sorts of different activities - the people who founded the original activity sometimes find that new people join in, and the new people have different tastes and preferences than what was originally created.

This sort of hostile infiltration happened when non-Irish started celebrating Saint Patrick's Day and non-Mexicans started celebrating Cinco de Mayo. It happened when white people invaded blues, rock & roll, and later hip-hop. And sadly, it keeps happening.

It's a horrible crime. Obviously, what RPGs get published and what they are like should only be decided by old grognards, not by new people and their ridiculous notion of "market forces". They need to get off my lawn!

I get your point, and I agree that Brady's generalizations about both women (boo, hiss) and men (saints, I tell you) is heavy-handed and silly.

But what's happening in gaming now (and in comics now, and in video games now, and in countless other pop culture areas now) is different from just having 'new fans' who are changing things around. It's not like having non-Mexicans coming in and celebrating 5 de Mayo; that has its own set of problems, but you can still say that the non-mexicans are doing this because they thought 5 de Mayo was an exciting and interesting thing to be involved in and thought of it as a cool thing.

This is a lot closer to certain Religious Christians' obsession with Halloween. Their reactions to Halloween in recent years has spanned from trying to outright ban it in certain communities, to trying to subvert it with "Hell Houses" instead of "Haunted Houses" (where people walk through these hell-houses and see the terrible punishments god will subject upon teens who smoke marijuana or have premarital sex), to just trying to strip it of any element they'd think of as unchristian with utterly whitewashed 'candy parties' in the local church.  They do all of this because fundamentally they think Halloween is evil and wrong, and the real goal is for Halloween to stop existing by changing it into something unrecognizeable and that will specifically remove/punish the people who actually like Halloween.

That's the parallel of what the SJWs are doing to every element of geek culture.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1036723You're right. I need to drink more.

FELONIOUS MONK and DOC SAMMY stop the off-topic bantering, or leave the thread.

Quote from: jhkim;1036747Based on what I see in this thread, though, I think people like Christopher Brady who think that women are infiltrating and messing up the hobby are a bigger problem than any academic paper.

There's obviously some people like that in the hobby. A lot of them are at the extreme ends of the "men's movement", the MGTOW or Incel losers, or other varieties of outright resentful woman-haters.

I've met, and I'm sure most other gamers have met, at least a couple of gamers in real life who are all like "we don't want any girls in our D&D games".
But it's pretty clear to me that 99.9% of male gamers would be overjoyed at having as many girls at their gaming table as possible.

Furthermore, since none of the 'men-only' gamers have any actual positions of influence in the hobby/industry, I don't think they're nearly as big a problem as the highly influential SJW Entryists who would applaud a paper like this one (or the various other anti-D&D screeds that they themselves have produced).

Quote from: Spinachcat;1036755I don't want any politics at the game table. It never adds to the fun.

Well I imagine that it would be hard to know they were a SJW, if they weren't bringing up politics during the game. I think at cons things might be different, but for a regular Saturday night gaming group, we would probably have a talk about what sort of milieu we wanted our game world to feature and what sort of themes to explore.

Urban, rural, subterranean or nautical?
Exploration of terra incognito, protecting the innocent or tomb-raiding?
High magic, low magic, or something in-between?

If one of those players suggested that themes of overthrowing the patriarchy or exploring gender fluidity, I would probably not be interested because those themes don't interest me in films and literature either and I would not be inclined to spend the time finding ways to make these issues part of a playable game.

OTOH if the SJW in question wanted to run such a game, I would wish him or her the very best of luck and be on my way.

Quote from: jhkim;1036681This sort of hostile infiltration happened when non-Irish started celebrating Saint Patrick's Day and non-Mexicans started celebrating Cinco de Mayo. It happened when white people invaded blues, rock & roll, and later hip-hop. And sadly, it keeps happening.

It's a horrible crime. Obviously, what RPGs get published and what they are like should only be decided by old grognards, not by new people and their ridiculous notion of "market forces". They need to get off my lawn!

A.k.a. "cultural appropriation".

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1036759Well I imagine that it would be hard to know they were a SJW, if they weren't bringing up politics during the game.

Then we wouldn't have to care whether he's an SJW, racist, neither, or possibly both. Problem solved;).

Quote from: RPGPundit;1036749This thread is about a video game about something currently going on in gaming.

If you don't like political interference into the RPG gaming hobby, then maybe you should go condemn the leftists who demanded that RPGs (along with all other pop culture) be politicized.

I would if I came across these unicorns in my gaming life.

This site and its nemesis TBP are the only places I come across this crap and since it's spilled into the main forum it's a good time to come here less.

QuoteI don't want any politics at the game table. It never adds to the fun.

Do you mean real world politics or in-game politics?

Quote from: HorusArisen;1036773I would if I came across these unicorns in my gaming life.

This site and its nemesis TBP are the only places I come across this crap and since it's spilled into the main forum it's a good time to come here less.

IME, the "non political" games I've personally seen have come in two broad varieties: There were political/social assumptions and tropes in the game but they were ones every involved was comdfortable with or at least didn't bother them/added to their sense of immersion, role play or whatever (like playing a racist character in a game set in the antebellum Southern U.S.) Or the games was extremely simplistic, black and white setting wise. And even the latter tended to have some political (or more social) elements just very simple ones.

Either case can be fun but I usually prefer more fleshed out worlds. But then I also prefer contemporary or futuristic settings to fantastic/pseudo historical ones so cutting out too much doesn't seem appropriate.

But I agree that, in general, the political turmoil I've seen in gaming comes from people arguing about it online with the occasional RL boor from various points in the political spectrum. But they tended to be loudmouths that didn't have a filter about when it was appropriate to preach their beliefs and when it wasn't in all areas of interaction.

Quote from: CarlD.;1036775Do you mean real world politics or in-game politics?



IME, the "non political" games I've personally seen have come in two broad varieties: There were political/social assumptions and tropes in the game but they were ones every involved was comdfortable with or at least didn't bother them/added to their sense of immersion, role play or whatever (like playing a racist character in a game set in the antebellum Southern U.S.) Or the games was extremely simplistic, black and white setting wise. And even the latter tended to have some political (or more social) elements just very simple ones.

Either case can be fun but I usually prefer more fleshed out worlds. But then I also prefer contemporary or futuristic settings to fantastic/pseudo historical ones so cutting out too much doesn't seem appropriate.

But I agree that, in general, the political turmoil I've seen in gaming comes from people arguing about it online with the occasional RL boor from various points in the political spectrum. But they tended to be loudmouths that didn't have a filter about when it was appropriate to preach their beliefs and when it wasn't in all areas of interaction.

Forgot to turn off subscription to thread.

To answer your question before I go however politics in game is ok. Politics at my game gets you a slap, I'm there to have fun not moralise over the evils of French mustard.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1036753There's no significant loss of users going on here. We get new users all the time.  We have had some old users leave, as we've had ever since this forum started; usually those are people who get upset about one thing or another; unfortunately insidious little worms like you tend to stick around because your goal is to try to harm this place by your very presence.

Now, your post is off topic. Please post about what a fascist I am for trying to keep the thread on topic, little bitch, and see what happens to you.

Pundit, you shouldn't be calling anybody a bitch when you're the first person to run to this site, twitter, and your blog about mass conspiracies of people trying to ruin the hobby when somebody makes a game you don't like. You are the definition of a litttle bitch. Or should I use the term you and your alt right buddies like to use, you're a fucking cuck. You're not trying to keep this thread on topic. You're trying to people to stop laughing at you. I know you're usually only used to being laughed out in the bedroom but you're really starting to shit the bed here on the forum. And stop making shit up. We aren't stupid. Traffic on this forum is down. We are seeing fewer posts with fewer names posting. It's because of you little guy. You're a douche nozzle. You're trying to parlay your games writing into being a social commentator, just like the people you despise. You're trying to rip off Diversity & Comics on YouTube to get paid but you're not good enough to do it.

Go ahead and ban me. But stop trying to pretend you are some free speech advocate. You starting brining in highly political topics into the gaming forum. You could have kept this stuff to the Pundency but just like TBP you are letting your bullshit slip over to the entire forum.

And Cuck, shouldn't you be telling people they are banned from the thread LIKE THIS it fits in better.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1036751Or, you know, that you would have been permabanned just for saying the above on rpgnet, you ridiculous little piece of shit.

And you're going to start banning people because you're a paranoid cuck.

This is threadcapping. Leave this thread or you will be banned.

What you like to do is throw out insults and then threaten people because you're too much of a cuck to take it. Pundit, we've all seen you, you're the last person on the planet that should be calling people a little bitch when you get winded going to the bathroom.

As part of his usual stream of rambling drunken nonsense. Doc Sammy said...

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1036701See, Carl D? I can derail threads too!)

Of course you can. You demonstrate practically every time you post!

But its good to have a talent.

QuoteNow that I'm done pissing off CarlD...

Well, someone thinks highly of themselves. :rolleyes:

You're the board clown or more like village idiot and seem to either enjoy it or not get it. I feel more sorry for you than anything else. Like a little lost drunken puppy that takes getting kicked as a sign of affection so leaps into the kicks.

I might be a 'disingenuous ass', but least I can draw a difference between laughed with, laughed at and being spit on.

But whatever gets you through the day.

Quote from: HorusArisen;1036773I would if I came across these unicorns in my gaming life.

This site and its nemesis TBP are the only places I come across this crap and since it's spilled into the main forum it's a good time to come here less.

I'm afraid that I might have to resort to the same measure. And I don't like that.

Quote from: AsenRG;1036787I'm afraid that I might have to resort to the same measure. And I don't like that.

You're having that much trouble with people airing the real life issues and disrupting you games?

Quote from: CarlD.;1036789You're having that much trouble with people airing the real life issues and disrupting you games?

I suspect you're mixing two separate issues, only one of which affects my gaming time.

Quote from: AsenRG;1036791I suspect you're mixing two separate issues, only one of which affects my gaming time.

Oh, I thought you were saying that you were getting tempted to be  more stern about people disrupting your games over RL issues like HorusArisen in the post I quoted. (I assumed the slap was metaphorical... unless things were really bad).  I guess I misread you. What did you mean?