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The Insipid Racism of D&D SJWs
« on: April 20, 2018, 05:39:56 PM »
This is a response to yet another article (recently reported on) by a leftist professor of some kind of nonsense, who is claiming that D&D "perpetuates White Privilege" and is a horribly racist game because it was made by White Men and because it is supposedly about white heroes "othering" people of color as orcs or whatever, and then killing them.



In other words, utter horseshit.



There is one collective of insipid racists currently involving themselves in the RPG hobby; it's not the regular gamers, it's not the free-speech shitlords, it's the SJWs themselves.



So here's my rebuttal, with all my typical style (and a bit of rambling on other topics, like Starbucks, but it's all tied in at the end):









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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2018, 05:44:40 PM »
I will definitely check this video out and share it with my friends. I'm tired of SJW leftists shitting on anything fun and giving common sense liberals like me a bad name.

Seriously, these guys are like the 2010's equivalent of the Religious Right back in the 1980's and 1990's. They just hate anything that is fun and enjoyable because they are perpetually miserable and angry about anything that even slightly deviates from their political narrative.
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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2018, 06:23:57 PM »
It was ok, but Michelle Malkin's video was better. :p


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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2018, 07:36:06 PM »
Quote from: Doc Sammy;1035265
Seriously, these guys are like the 2010's equivalent of the Religious Right back in the 1980's and 1990's. They just hate anything that is fun and enjoyable because they are perpetually miserable and angry about anything that even slightly deviates from their political narrative.

Get back to me when an SJW calls you into their office to they can make a feeble attempt to assault you with a leather strap.
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2018, 08:39:26 PM »
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Get back to me when an SJW calls you into their office to they can make a feeble attempt to assault you with a leather strap.

Point taken.
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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2018, 08:51:58 PM »
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Point taken.

No worries. There is a reason I am no longer friends with the SJW types as well. I prefer real people to caricatures.
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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2018, 08:58:48 PM »
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No worries. There is a reason I am no longer friends with the SJW types as well. I prefer real people to caricatures.

I totally concur with you on that one.
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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2018, 09:24:27 PM »
And yet it's not really even academics or SJWs, D&D has always been somewhat irksome to the left.

Firstly, you have non-governmental people armed and using arms to defend themselves. Okay, some people who insist on medieval authenticity in a fantasy game seem to have a problem with this, but I believe in some D&D settings, some places have "sword control"

Secondly, there have always been complaints about alignment, about there being a concrete evil and good. Never mind that god, creatures, and planes of existence literally exist and are aligned with them.

Thirdly, constant bitching about paladins to the point where in the name of equality, every alignment got a paladin

Forthly, the whole orcs/drow being evil thing. Which actually strikes me as somewhat being at odds with leftisim, since they believe that "evil" is mostly societal and have no problems considering all white men/Christians/capitalists evil.

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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2018, 09:27:30 PM »
Well said on all points!

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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2018, 11:44:12 PM »
I want to play a role-playing game based on Comanches "othering" neighboring tribes into extinction so that way I won't be racist.
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« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2018, 12:11:27 AM »
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It was ok, but Michelle Malkin's video was better. :p


Whoah. That chick seems super cool.

Wait, did I just call her a "chick?" SJW's don't chastise me please.
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« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2018, 02:50:19 AM »
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And yet it's not really even academics or SJWs, D&D has always been somewhat irksome to the left.


Let's not forget that for many years it was the Religious Right that dogged the hobby.

•Jack Chick Publications and the Dark Dungeons fiasco.
•Bothered About Dungeons & Dragons
•TSR forced to remove Demons and Devils from AD&D 2ed.

Moreover, there are quite a few tropes that do not sit well with the more conservative elements in society.

• The whole premise that a village peasant can become a high level fighter that commands troops and has domain over a large territory is based on an egalitarianism that runs against the whole class system mind set. Of course, social mobility does appeal to the vast majority of Americans, but being British I am more familiar with the right being the more "know your place" types.
•The principle of Noblesse Oblige is central to the fantasy tropes common in D&D and similar games. And it cuts both ways: This means that if the BlackEagle Baron is a douche, then the PCs, peasants or otherwise, are pefectly justified in usurping him and Bargle too. Oh and taking their stuff. Righ out of a Trotskyite revolutionary's handbook.
• Multiculturalism: most PCs in B/X and AD&D spoke more than one language and Halflings, Elves, Gnomes and Humans all live cheek-by-jowl in campaigns like Greyhawk and FR. Moreover, they interbreed! Miscegenation is a big no to many on the right.
• Loose Borders: in many adventures and campaigns that I have read, the PCs go wandering across nations and regions without a great deal of difficulty. Freedom of movement is kind of taken for granted. No talk of building big walls unless it is to keep White Walkers out.

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Thirdly, constant bitching about paladins to the point where in the name of equality, every alignment got a paladin


Actually the rules for Paladins of all alignments has been around since Dragon issue 106 with the article Plethora of Palladins and the Anti-Paladin even earlier.

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Forthly, the whole orcs/drow being evil thing.


From the little I know of Drow Society in published campaigns their society seems to be a rigid hierarchical theocracy. And these guys are the villains.
Hobbits OTOH, who are generally considered the nicest of nice guys, are generally supposed to live in idyllic agrarian communes with a rather equal distribution of resources (I cannot imagine halfling beggars in the typical "Shire" nor extravagant palaces either). The Pytho quote ""Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune" spings to mind.
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« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2018, 03:36:04 AM »
I believe this may the paper in question:

Privilege, Power, and Dungeons & Dragons: How Systems Shape Racial and Gender Identities in Tabletop Role-Playing Games

If not, it still might make interesting reading for some. And if If any one is curious for other perspectives, here is a discussion on the paper on a site that is in many ways this board opposite: Rpgnet.

https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?827120-quot-Privilege-Power-and-Dungeons-amp-Dragons-quot-WTF

I think you may need to be a registered member to view the thread.
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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2018, 07:35:01 AM »
So the sharing caring crowd may access to both paper and discussion to members only.

Very inclusive.:rolleyes:
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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2018, 10:06:10 AM »
Oh look, another boogeyman for RPGPundit to tout as terrorizing the hobby!

Tell us who and where these Portlanditte SJWs are assaulting your ability to enjoy playing D&D. Are they at your cons, stealing your mans? Are they in your local Uruguayan hobby shops, denigrating your ability to run Dark Albion? Where and who precisely are they prohibiting your ability play D&D? Are they actively asdaulting your ability here in your own personal echo chamber? WHO are these people, specifically?