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« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2018, 11:05:16 AM »
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Moreover, there are quite a few tropes that do not sit well with the more conservative elements in society.

• The whole premise that a village peasant can become a high level fighter that commands troops and has domain over a large territory is based on an egalitarianism that runs against the whole class system mind set. Of course, social mobility does appeal to the vast majority of Americans, but being British I am more familiar with the right being the more "know your place" types.
•The principle of Noblesse Oblige is central to the fantasy tropes common in D&D and similar games. And it cuts both ways: This means that if the BlackEagle Baron is a douche, then the PCs, peasants or otherwise, are pefectly justified in usurping him and Bargle too. Oh and taking their stuff. Righ out of a Trotskyite revolutionary's handbook.
• Multiculturalism: most PCs in B/X and AD&D spoke more than one language and Halflings, Elves, Gnomes and Humans all live cheek-by-jowl in campaigns like Greyhawk and FR. Moreover, they interbreed! Miscegenation is a big no to many on the right.
• Loose Borders: in many adventures and campaigns that I have read, the PCs go wandering across nations and regions without a great deal of difficulty. Freedom of movement is kind of taken for granted. No talk of building big walls unless it is to keep White Walkers out.


From whose bloody sphincter did you pull this shit?

Got any evidence to back it up?
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« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2018, 11:08:30 AM »
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Oh look, another boogeyman for RPGPundit to tout as terrorizing the hobby!

Tell us who and where these Portlanditte SJWs are assaulting your ability to enjoy playing D&D. Are they at your cons, stealing your mans? Are they in your local Uruguayan hobby shops, denigrating your ability to run Dark Albion? Where and who precisely are they prohibiting your ability play D&D? Are they actively asdaulting your ability here in your own personal echo chamber? WHO are these people, specifically?

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« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2018, 11:19:46 AM »
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Oh look, another boogeyman for RPGPundit to tout as terrorizing the hobby!

Tell us who and where these Portlanditte SJWs are assaulting your ability to enjoy playing D&D. Are they at your cons, stealing your mans? Are they in your local Uruguayan hobby shops, denigrating your ability to run Dark Albion? Where and who precisely are they prohibiting your ability play D&D? Are they actively asdaulting your ability here in your own personal echo chamber? WHO are these people, specifically?

Pundit spends way too much time on Twitter which is where these people live. If he didn't spend time on Twitter he wouldn't run into these people, ever. He's also trying to parlay into being a social commentator similar to a comicbook YouTube star. He's using this nonsense to try to signal boost his own noise. This isn't about D&D. This is about a market to make money in. Just like for a lot of the leftists that buy into this nonsense it isn't about the actual underlying content, but the ability to monetize politics. Pundit wants to monetize politics.

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« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2018, 11:19:55 AM »
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« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2018, 11:32:19 AM »
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I want to play a role-playing game based on Comanches "othering" neighboring tribes into extinction so that way I won't be racist.


That gets conveniently swept under the rug quite often. And it wasnt limited to just one group of native americans. Huge areas got depopulated of NA people BY NA people.

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« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2018, 11:42:39 AM »
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« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2018, 01:06:43 PM »
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And yet it's not really even academics or SJWs, D&D has always been somewhat irksome to the left.

Firstly, you have non-governmental people armed and using arms to defend themselves. Okay, some people who insist on medieval authenticity in a fantasy game seem to have a problem with this, but I believe in some D&D settings, some places have "sword control"

Secondly, there have always been complaints about alignment, about there being a concrete evil and good. Never mind that god, creatures, and planes of existence literally exist and are aligned with them.

Thirdly, constant bitching about paladins to the point where in the name of equality, every alignment got a paladin

Forthly, the whole orcs/drow being evil thing. Which actually strikes me as somewhat being at odds with leftisim, since they believe that "evil" is mostly societal and have no problems considering all white men/Christians/capitalists evil.

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1035307
Moreover, there are quite a few tropes that do not sit well with the more conservative elements in society.

• The whole premise that a village peasant can become a high level fighter that commands troops and has domain over a large territory is based on an egalitarianism that runs against the whole class system mind set. Of course, social mobility does appeal to the vast majority of Americans, but being British I am more familiar with the right being the more "know your place" types.
•The principle of Noblesse Oblige is central to the fantasy tropes common in D&D and similar games. And it cuts both ways: This means that if the BlackEagle Baron is a douche, then the PCs, peasants or otherwise, are pefectly justified in usurping him and Bargle too. Oh and taking their stuff. Righ out of a Trotskyite revolutionary's handbook.
• Multiculturalism: most PCs in B/X and AD&D spoke more than one language and Halflings, Elves, Gnomes and Humans all live cheek-by-jowl in campaigns like Greyhawk and FR. Moreover, they interbreed! Miscegenation is a big no to many on the right.
• Loose Borders: in many adventures and campaigns that I have read, the PCs go wandering across nations and regions without a great deal of difficulty. Freedom of movement is kind of taken for granted. No talk of building big walls unless it is to keep White Walkers out.

Nearly all of these don't ring true to me on both sides.

Regarding alignment and armed adventurers - both of these are frequently complained about by people of all politics who prefer more realistic behaviors and society. If you look at the recent thread on adventurers wandering the city in armor, it wasn't politically divided. There are people who prefer their game morality to be more grays than black-and-white, and from my observation they are of various politics - maybe more libertarians and moderates, but not strongly so.

At present, the mainstream right wing doesn't have a problem with social mobility or miscegenation. If anything, it is a right-wing view that any peasant or lowly halfling can become a mighty lord if they just buckle down and work hard enough, instead of choosing to be weak and poor.

Of all of these, the two that have some substance are the drow/orc issue and PCs overthrowing authority. I have noticed that right-leaning GMs have buttons pressed more when PCs try to overthrow authority figures. And some left-leaning people have a problem about the portrayal of evil races.

On the other hand, these don't amount to all that much. For the most part, D&D these days is middle of the road politically. Publishing an academic paper that almost no one has read isn't comparable to Pat Pulling and B.A.D.D. in the 1980s. I live in the SF Bay Area - probably the most left-leaning area of the country, and no one bats an eye if I run a D&D game in my local group or at a convention.

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« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2018, 02:20:15 PM »
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I live in the SF Bay Area - probably the most left-leaning area of the country, and no one bats an eye if I run a D&D game in my local group or at a convention.

Because it's assumed that everyone else is Democrat there, no matter what they are doing. Pretty much everyone lives in the same social bubble there. Just say the word "Trump" at your D&D table to find out which of your players are radicalized Democrats.

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« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2018, 03:34:23 PM »
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Pundit spends way too much time on Twitter which is where these people live. If he didn't spend time on Twitter he wouldn't run into these people, ever. He's also trying to parlay into being a social commentator similar to a comicbook YouTube star. He's using this nonsense to try to signal boost his own noise. This isn't about D&D. This is about a market to make money in. Just like for a lot of the leftists that buy into this nonsense it isn't about the actual underlying content, but the ability to monetize politics. Pundit wants to monetize politics.

Looking at his Twitter feed, you are very likely right. This is more about Pundit trying to stay relevant while the kiddies and designers who are actually successful because of their positive community interactions on Twitch and Twitter. He is being outpacing him on subscribers, viewership, etc.

Frankly, web forums are sort of a relic in an age where player can directly interact with designers on Twitter and run games online anytime, anywhere with anyone (without having to go to ye old hobby shoppe). Maybe Pundit realizes this already, and that is why he’s trying to drum up support in his latest straw man.
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« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2018, 03:35:17 PM »
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Because it's assumed that everyone else is Democrat there, no matter what they are doing. Pretty much everyone lives in the same social bubble there. Just say the word "Trump" at your D&D table to find out which of your players are radicalized Democrats.

Shouldn't you be doing that before the game starts instead of losing precious time that you won't get back gaming with the enemy?
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« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2018, 05:29:52 PM »
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I live in the SF Bay Area - probably the most left-leaning area of the country, and no one bats an eye if I run a D&D game in my local group or at a convention.
Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;1035350
Because it's assumed that everyone else is Democrat there, no matter what they are doing. Pretty much everyone lives in the same social bubble there. Just say the word "Trump" at your D&D table to find out which of your players are radicalized Democrats.
This is about D&D, though, not politics in general.

You're right that some players would have problems with an avowed Trump supporter - but that's regardless of whether we are playing D&D, GURPS, or Night Witches.

My point is that the Left isn't generally against D&D. There is nothing like, say, the conservative outcry against D&D in the 1980s.

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« Reply #26 on: April 21, 2018, 06:19:25 PM »
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........ the conservative outcry against D&D in the 1980s.

There Wasn't One.

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« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2018, 06:37:46 PM »
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Oh look, another boogeyman for RPGPundit to tout as terrorizing the hobby!

Tell us who and where these Portlanditte SJWs are assaulting your ability to enjoy playing D&D. Are they at your cons, stealing your mans? Are they in your local Uruguayan hobby shops, denigrating your ability to run Dark Albion? Where and who precisely are they prohibiting your ability play D&D? Are they actively assaulting your ability here in your own personal echo chamber? WHO are these people, specifically?

Amen. It's just someone in academia being academic (which usually means overthinking it). People create theses, then they defend them. It's an intellectual exercise, at best. Pundit's rage is not at the "pollution" of the RPG hobby by those espousing politics that don't suit his palate. It's the horrible, horrible leftist wave invading all of the well-preserved, well-entrenched, monolithic society. It's the threat from those the same people who have "declared war" on Christianity, freedom, white males, etcetcetc. What's sad about it is that the Right isn't monolithic, save for their utter contempt for "liberals." Just like the left isn't monolithic, either, though it gets all lumped together every time some yahoo goes overboard.

More sound and fury from Pundit (with, again, the corresponding significance). He wants them to leave well enough alone, but won't do it himself.
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« Reply #28 on: April 21, 2018, 06:40:22 PM »
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There Wasn't One.

REally wish people would stop conflating 'religious fundamentalists' with 'conservative'.
One does not equal the other. They are Not 'equivalent'.

- Ed C.

They're not, but then, a single paper written by a lefty doesn't exemplify the entire social justice movement, either.
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« Reply #29 on: April 21, 2018, 06:41:54 PM »
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Are we agreeing that Pundit is butthurt? Or defending Pundit's whining while attacking someone else's?
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