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Author Topic: The Importance Of Diversity And Representation In The Hobby  (Read 19485 times)

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Re: The Importance Of Diversity And Representation In The Hobby
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2021, 05:53:40 PM »
Speaking as a Cro-Magnon, y'all need to get off my land.

According to my wife I'm at least part-Neanderthal. Y'all need tah get offa my land!
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Re: The Importance Of Diversity And Representation In The Hobby
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2021, 06:18:55 PM »
No, I only spent a few days in London, mostly Norwich and Whitehaven.
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Re: The Importance Of Diversity And Representation In The Hobby
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2021, 06:22:55 PM »
No, I only spent a few days in London, mostly Norwich and Whitehaven.
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Re: The Importance Of Diversity And Representation In The Hobby
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2021, 06:50:26 PM »
Speaking as a Cro-Magnon, y'all need to get off my land.

Speaking as a hairless ape, "ook."
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« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2021, 10:18:06 PM »
White folks are no long allowed to play in Oriental Adventures or Al-Qadem type campaign without claims of appropriation and the vast majority of the hobby is white, so what does diversity really bring to the hobby?

In a sane world we'd have people of color making amazing non-europeans settings and inviting everyone to enjoy them and they'd make a lot of money doing so. We don't seem to be in that world.
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Re: The Importance Of Diversity And Representation In The Hobby
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2021, 10:43:40 PM »
Hey Ruprecht! Welcome to the site. Nice Groo avatar!

I would love to see a good Native American setting. Coyote and Crow looked interesting initially, but then the creators went sort of hostile and made it political. I'm not sure where that dust is going to settle.
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Re: The Importance Of Diversity And Representation In The Hobby
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2021, 10:53:10 PM »
Thanks for the welcome.
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« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2021, 11:19:52 PM »
White folks are no long allowed to play in Oriental Adventures or Al-Qadem type campaign without claims of appropriation and the vast majority of the hobby is white, so what does diversity really bring to the hobby?

In a sane world we'd have people of color making amazing non-europeans settings and inviting everyone to enjoy them and they'd make a lot of money doing so. We don't seem to be in that world.

In a sane world anyone would be able to write whatever they wanted without someone calling them names because of the color of their skin.

Who could write a better African setting? An "African"-American that knows nothing about Africa or someone of any other skin color that has done the work on researching and loves the stuff he's doing?
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Re: The Importance Of Diversity And Representation In The Hobby
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2021, 05:37:18 AM »
As op said, I'm happy playing with a diverse group of people. But I'm not going to start box ticking just for the sake of it. My games are not about fixing real world social issues. I just want to have fun.

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Re: The Importance Of Diversity And Representation In The Hobby
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2021, 09:37:38 AM »
This is fkn BS.

I started gaming in '82 & ran games, AS A BLACK D&D DM, for white, black & female players in the early 80's.

As a "community", all we want to do is game. We don't care what color or sex the group is. Maybe a few small groups get down with the color 3, but most of us don't give a sh*t about what the SJWs are crying about. It's why I sh*t on them. The SJW lean is all about NONSENSE.

How can Orcs be black people when I had black PCs? How can Gary, Tim & TSR be racist when they never barred non-whites & females from the game? There's an undead species called WIGHTS, who are white-skinned, but old-school D&D is racist? TSR was "exclusive" because they demanded you play "Rules as Written", but the AD&D 1e preface states RAW was reserved for tournament play & how you played at your table was up to the DM/group?

These critics of D&D HAVEN'T READ THE BOOKS. Yet, you wowzers give them credence by even talking about their Twitter screed.

STOP.

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Re: The Importance Of Diversity And Representation In The Hobby
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2021, 10:05:58 AM »
This is fkn BS.

I started gaming in '82 & ran games, AS A BLACK D&D DM, for white, black & female players in the early 80's.

As a "community", all we want to do is game. We don't care what color or sex the group is. Maybe a few small groups get down with the color 3, but most of us don't give a sh*t about what the SJWs are crying about. It's why I sh*t on them. The SJW lean is all about NONSENSE.

How can Orcs be black people when I had black PCs? How can Gary, Tim & TSR be racist when they never barred non-whites & females from the game? There's an undead species called WIGHTS, who are white-skinned, but old-school D&D is racist? TSR was "exclusive" because they demanded you play "Rules as Written", but the AD&D 1e preface states RAW was reserved for tournament play & how you played at your table was up to the DM/group?

These critics of D&D HAVEN'T READ THE BOOKS. Yet, you wowzers give them credence by even talking about their Twitter screed.

STOP.
On one hand there's something to be said for not even giving them the legitimacy of a response.

On the other, letting it go unchallenged isn't a great play either.

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Re: The Importance Of Diversity And Representation In The Hobby
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2021, 10:21:20 AM »
This is fkn BS.

I started gaming in '82 & ran games, AS A BLACK D&D DM, for white, black & female players in the early 80's.

As a "community", all we want to do is game. We don't care what color or sex the group is. Maybe a few small groups get down with the color 3, but most of us don't give a sh*t about what the SJWs are crying about. It's why I sh*t on them. The SJW lean is all about NONSENSE.

How can Orcs be black people when I had black PCs? How can Gary, Tim & TSR be racist when they never barred non-whites & females from the game? There's an undead species called WIGHTS, who are white-skinned, but old-school D&D is racist? TSR was "exclusive" because they demanded you play "Rules as Written", but the AD&D 1e preface states RAW was reserved for tournament play & how you played at your table was up to the DM/group?

These critics of D&D HAVEN'T READ THE BOOKS. Yet, you wowzers give them credence by even talking about their Twitter screed.

STOP.
On one hand there's something to be said for not even giving them the legitimacy of a response.

On the other, letting it go unchallenged isn't a great play either.

Yeah, but you aren't playing the game correctly. You dismiss them with factual information, THEN CHANGE THE TOPIC. Don't give them the space to respond with their personal attacks. Example:

THEM: Gygax's D&D sucked because he demanded you play by his dumb rules!

ME: Actually, in the AD&D preface, Gygax wrote that RAW was for tournament play, but at your table, the rules are whatever your group preferred. On that note, what do you guys think of THAC0?

CROWD: My group uses a homebrew ruleset for combat.

CROWD: I use THAC0 religiously!

THEM: THAC0 was another example of Gygax's ridiculous dominance over D&D!

ME: Wow! You seem to have a real issue with Gary Gygax. Why? In the rules, he allowed DMs to change the combat rules to fit your group. Did you have a bad DM?

Stuff like that. You can easily defeat the SJW arguments IF YOU KNOW THE BOOKS. Knowledge of the game (D&D) can defeat any SJW BS.

I prefer ignoring them and changing the topic, but if you want to argue with them, at least know how.

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Re: The Importance Of Diversity And Representation In The Hobby
« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2021, 10:36:10 AM »
There's an undead species called WIGHTS, who are white-skinned, but old-school D&D is racist?

Holy shit, I just realized - level drain is appropriation! The wights were literally stealing someone's life experiences. Sonuvabitch, the SJWs were right!

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Re: The Importance Of Diversity And Representation In The Hobby
« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2021, 10:55:34 AM »
There's an undead species called WIGHTS, who are white-skinned, but old-school D&D is racist?

Holy shit, I just realized - level drain is appropriation! The wights were literally stealing someone's life experiences. Sonuvabitch, the SJWs were right!

 ;)
And now I'm laughing like a madman. Well played.

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Re: The Importance Of Diversity And Representation In The Hobby
« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2021, 10:20:02 PM »
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