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The Hadosee controversy, what is it all about?

Started by Kerstmanneke82, September 03, 2022, 03:14:27 AM

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tenbones

#30
September 06, 2022, 06:39:25 PM
So I wonder when someone keys in on the Spelljammer lore that the Elves are actual racists and Elven supremacists?

It's one of the funnest aspects of the game - giving people to mistrust them despite their necessity to keep the status quo. Whatever, I don't buy WotC products. I own all the product from 1e-3e I'll ever need, WotC can go burn.

Brooding Paladin

#31
September 06, 2022, 07:20:23 PM
Quote from: Effete on September 06, 2022, 02:32:53 PM

Maybe not specifically, but they'd find something to complain about. When you're a professional victim that gets paid in social credits, you need to find a job wherever you can get it.

Facts right here.  I read on Twitter where some progressively minded moron suggested all this could have been avoided if they had hired some sensitivity coordinator that could not be overruled by corporate but they failed to do so because, wait for it, privilege.

Exactly how big do they think the budgets are for these things?  That all publishers can hire some gender studies major to trot around in their rainbow unicorn onesie at corporate to tell everyone when they're not being sensitive enough?  Their stupidity exceeds me to such a level that I cannot comprehend them.

Snark Knight

#32
September 07, 2022, 05:49:45 AM
Quote from: King Tyranno on September 06, 2022, 09:04:19 AM
Much like Orcs. Monkeys = Black people. And WotC  are the bigots for making people think of that. It's as simple as that. SJWs expose their racism yet again. And expose their childlike lack of accountability for their own faults.

"If you're the only person hearing a dogwhistle, maybe you're the dog."

Palleon

#33
September 07, 2022, 09:21:49 AM
The controversy is that the lore insert by the 5E designers is as lame as anything else they touch.  Magical uplifting of a species is just stupid from the get go.  Adding in the slavery element is just being patently unaware of the audience they are cultivating.

The WORST aspect of this is them trying to blame the source materials for this all.  None of this shit existed in Star Frontiers or the 2E Spell Jammer stuff.

When is the disclaimer banner coming to 5E material on DMs Guild?  The current crop is no more "pure" than the folks from the 70s, 80s and 90s that they are riffing from and not compensating for the continued use of the IP they originated.

PulpHerb

#34
September 07, 2022, 11:03:16 AM
Quote from: ForgottenF on September 06, 2022, 08:46:29 AM
I got a huge laugh out of this line from the WOTC statement:

"Throughout the 50-year history of Dungeons & Dragons, some of the characters in the game have been monstrous and evil, using descriptions that are painfully reminiscent of how real-world groups have been and continue to be denigrated. We understand the urgency of changing how we work to better ensure a more inclusive game."

So, they've set themselves the task of never again having any lore that is even reminiscent of any unpleasant thing that's been done to any group of people at any point in history.

If that's not creative suicide, I don't know what is.

Oh, evils done by certain groups to themselves or suffered by said groups as "justified revenge" will be their inspiration.

I'm sure the Coyote & Crow sourcebook for D&D is coming.

PulpHerb

#35
September 07, 2022, 11:06:08 AM
Quote from: 3catcircus on September 06, 2022, 02:17:08 PM
I love the idea of yazirians being descendants of the hadozee (who are the dralasites descended from - gelatinous cubes?) But had they stuck with the original yazirian descriptions in Star Frontiers (...the smartest of the four core races...), would some still be offended by the "they were enslaved by an evil wizard" origin story?

Yes, because in the West we have at least one generation raised to think slavery:

1. Was only done by white Europeans.
2. Was only done to black Africans.
3. Was invented in 1619 or so.

Thus anything about slavery is an attempt to re-enslave or justify enslaving black Africians.

PulpHerb

#36
September 07, 2022, 11:07:30 AM
Quote from: Brooding Paladin on September 06, 2022, 07:20:23 PM
Exactly how big do they think the budgets are for these things?  That all publishers can hire some gender studies major to trot around in their rainbow unicorn onesie at corporate to tell everyone when they're not being sensitive enough?  Their stupidity exceeds me to such a level that I cannot comprehend them.

They don't care about budgets (and probably think budgets are just a capitalist way of keeping more stuff). They care about more jobs that match their "skills".

PulpHerb

#37
September 07, 2022, 11:11:49 AM
Quote from: Palleon on September 07, 2022, 09:21:49 AM
The WORST aspect of this is them trying to blame the source materials for this all.  None of this shit existed in Star Frontiers or the 2E Spell Jammer stuff.

That is what really pisses me off...it's their version of "The Devil made me do it."

Own what you write if nothing else.

THE_Leopold

#38
September 07, 2022, 11:23:06 AM
Quote from: Palleon on September 07, 2022, 09:21:49 AM
The controversy is that the lore insert by the 5E designers is as lame as anything else they touch.  Magical uplifting of a species is just stupid from the get go.  Adding in the slavery element is just being patently unaware of the audience they are cultivating.

The WORST aspect of this is them trying to blame the source materials for this all.  None of this shit existed in Star Frontiers or the 2E Spell Jammer stuff.

When is the disclaimer banner coming to 5E material on DMs Guild?  The current crop is no more "pure" than the folks from the 70s, 80s and 90s that they are riffing from and not compensating for the continued use of the IP they originated.

They literally stole the Gith race and gave them sugar glider wings.
NKL4Lyfe

thedungeondelver

#39
September 07, 2022, 05:09:28 PM
Quote from: Kerstmanneke82 on September 03, 2022, 03:14:27 AM
I'm not all that well versed in that race other than they are space monkeys coming from Star Frontiers I believe and they were scooped up by WOTC and people are losing their shit because they are supposedly racist. AFAIK it's because there could be seen allegories between their story and the history of slavery, which, as we all know since the controversy about the Absalom book of Pathfinder 2nd edition, is a no-no.

But, hasn't it ever occurred to these people complaining that it may just be a story and nothing more? If it were true that they meant to say that space monkeys are basically people of this or that race, and that they should feel offended, then I, with my Western European ancestry, could be offended each time barbarians are portrayed as white people, or if people talk about medieval societies which had serfs because at one time it existed in my country - I am from Belgium but have French roots, so yes, I know what I'm talking about, feudalism and serfdom were all the rage back in those days, only to be replaced by robber barons and their textile mills.

In my game one of the quest givers is an owner of a plantation, whereupon tortles work as slaves. The true crop, however, are the strongest Tortles, which are bred to be sold as delicacies. Is it modelled after the South? Yes, I'm not a hypocrite. Is the plantation owner in any way portrayed as a good and kind person? Hell, no. He's an evil, narcissistic piece of shit who will, in time, get his.

The point that I'm making is, you can see whatever you want to see in whatever you see. If you can't use history as a basis for your games, your games will be very bleak, dull and boring.

Yazirians are racist because when the SJWotC see monkeys they think "Hmph, those are supposed to be black people!"

So, you know, once again the leftists are the actual racists.
THE DELVERS DUNGEON


Mcbobbo sums it up nicely.

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mightybrain

#40
September 07, 2022, 06:14:36 PM
Quote from: PulpHerb on September 07, 2022, 11:06:08 AM
Yes, because in the West we have at least one generation raised to think slavery:

1. Was only done by white Europeans.
2. Was only done to black Africans.
3. Was invented in 1619 or so.

Thus anything about slavery is an attempt to re-enslave or justify enslaving black Africians.

We'll to need to, if we're ever going to build that time machine so we can go back and build the pyramids.

3catcircus

#41
September 07, 2022, 06:47:49 PM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on September 07, 2022, 11:23:06 AM
Quote from: Palleon on September 07, 2022, 09:21:49 AM
The controversy is that the lore insert by the 5E designers is as lame as anything else they touch.  Magical uplifting of a species is just stupid from the get go.  Adding in the slavery element is just being patently unaware of the audience they are cultivating.

The WORST aspect of this is them trying to blame the source materials for this all.  None of this shit existed in Star Frontiers or the 2E Spell Jammer stuff.

When is the disclaimer banner coming to 5E material on DMs Guild?  The current crop is no more "pure" than the folks from the 70s, 80s and 90s that they are riffing from and not compensating for the continued use of the IP they originated.

They literally stole the Gith race and gave them sugar glider wings.

Could be - githyanki and githzerai first appeared in the 1e Fiend Folio in 1981 while Star Frontiers was published in 1982 when the yazirians were first appearing.

PulpHerb

#42
September 07, 2022, 07:30:29 PM
Quote from: 3catcircus on September 07, 2022, 06:47:49 PM
Could be - githyanki and githzerai first appeared in the 1e Fiend Folio in 1981 while Star Frontiers was published in 1982 when the yazirians were first appearing.

Yes, but Yaziarians lore didn't match up to the Gith.

Also, I think at least one of the Gith appeared even earlier in White Dwarf as the FF drew heavily on WD and WD submissions.

BoxCrayonTales

#43
September 07, 2022, 08:54:41 PM
Quote from: mightybrain on September 07, 2022, 06:14:36 PM
Quote from: PulpHerb on September 07, 2022, 11:06:08 AM
Yes, because in the West we have at least one generation raised to think slavery:

1. Was only done by white Europeans.
2. Was only done to black Africans.
3. Was invented in 1619 or so.

Thus anything about slavery is an attempt to re-enslave or justify enslaving black Africians.

We'll to need to, if we're ever going to build that time machine so we can go back and build the pyramids.
https://www.britannica.com/video/226777/did-enslaved-people-build-the-pyramids

Zelen

#44
September 07, 2022, 10:21:30 PM
This was all clever viral marketing for my new book, 100 Fantasy Race Stand-Ins for Black People. Coming soon to a bookseller near you!
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