All of these "You can't do X on my game" screeds on TTRPG books and the sycophants that push for this things are just part of the push to drive the creative GMs out of playing D&D, Pathfinder, etc.

Because the corporation doesn't directly benefit from them as much as from the unimaginative brainlets that need the next Adventure Path to keep on playing.

I mean I sure as fuck don't NEED to buy a setting book from anybody to play anything, you mention it, fantasy, Sci-Fi, detective, etc. I can play it without giving any company my money.

I still do buy some stuff from people I respect because having a different take is always a plus on my book. But I don't need to do so, and I also don't run their stuff RAW.

What do you people think?

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 22, 2021, 07:25:36 PM
All of these "You can't do X on my game" screeds on TTRPG books and the sycophants that push for this things are just part of the push to drive the creative GMs out of playing D&D, Pathfinder, etc.

Because the corporation doesn't directly benefit from them as much as from the unimaginative brainlets that need the next Adventure Path to keep on playing.

Interesting theory, but I think that driving out creative players/DMs is a secondary effect, not the goal. I don't give them that much credit.

I think it's a more simple, "Nyah! We sure showed them!" instant gratification and flipping the bird at their perceived enemies. Peacocking for attention from their perceived allies.
Most shitty behavior I see people do in our culture is either for selfishness or attention seeking.

A creative DM might still buy an adventure path or whatever, out of curiosity, or to yank parts out of it. Pushing out potential customers over irrelevant or imagined differences is dumb, but we know Wisdom and Int are different stats.

I think this is largely a correlation = causation rant.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 22, 2021, 07:25:36 PM
What do you people think?

I think that Game Designers have been telling you how to play since pretty much the beginning.

Remember back in the day when the holy Gygax was running his mouth about the one true way in the ADnD DMs Guide?

Guess I was never good at following instructions.

One day Il just sell a rpg thats 300 blank pages and "the gm is your lord and master" at the end.

Im sure the retro crowd will appreciate it.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 22, 2021, 08:28:29 PM
One day Il just sell a rpg thats 300 blank pages and "the gm is your lord and master" at the end.

Im sure the retro crowd will appreciate it.

It's priced too high. Can someone send me the PDF plz?

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 22, 2021, 08:28:29 PM
One day Il just sell a rpg thats 300 blank pages and "the gm is your lord and master" at the end.

Im sure the retro crowd will appreciate it.

Not realistic enough plus no Ballball spell.

1 star

Quote from: Shasarak on October 22, 2021, 08:57:58 PMNot realistic enough plus no Ballball spell.

1 star

But I used Sams notes to make it. 

Heh, well when it comes to what prophets don't get in their own country, maybe so.

Quote from: Shasarak on October 22, 2021, 08:01:31 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 22, 2021, 07:25:36 PM
What do you people think?

I think that Game Designers have been telling you how to play since pretty much the beginning.

Remember back in the day when the holy Gygax was running his mouth about the one true way in the ADnD DMs Guide?

Guess I was never good at following instructions.

Eh, I think it's a bit different now. You've got people saying nowadays "If you're an Alt-Righter, you shouldn't be playing this game!". More or less what's said in a version of Vampire the Masquerade. It's not about how you're playing anymore, it's about whose playing.

Funny, these people make so many anti-gatekeeping rants but they gatekeep harder than anyone else.

Something new had better really tick my boxes now, to get my money.  There's way more than enough stuff out there in print already; from before the mandatory puss-out paragraphs, included in most recent releases.  All I can say about that mess, is that's not good RPG writing.  It's just bull shit.

People buy RPGs because they want books with cool art they can put on their shelves and coffee tables. They don't care at all about a book's game system, as long as pretty D20 dice are used.

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on October 23, 2021, 02:44:09 AM
People buy RPGs because they want books with cool art they can put on their shelves and coffee tables. They don't care at all about a book's game system, as long as pretty D20 dice are used.

There does seem to be a huge connection d20 systems. I know Powered by Mr. Rogers Neighborhood uses 2d6, but for as loud as the player base is for the seemingly hundreds of games that use it, it really is not all that common.

To your point, I wonder if D&D would have still been able to make it, even with the later production values, if the Alternative Combat System in OD&D had never been included.

Quote from: PsyXypher on October 23, 2021, 12:28:40 AM

Eh, I think it's a bit different now. You've got people saying nowadays "If you're an Alt-Righter, you shouldn't be playing this game!". More or less what's said in a version of Vampire the Masquerade. It's not about how you're playing anymore, it's about whose playing.

Funny, these people make so many anti-gatekeeping rants but they gatekeep harder than anyone else.

I was talking to a friend of mine the other day and that last part we both brought up how the Anti-Gatekeepers are now the Gatekeepers....

Well there are still plenty of people that are in the middle that don't give a rats fuck about right or left and will just play.   I did something I haven't done in a really looooooog time.   I ran a one shot for a bunch of rando's in a public place.   Half were newbs and the other half looked like your stereotypical grognards ( old guys with long beards ) and we all had fun, seems like everyone left their politics at the door.   I forgot how new people tend to over think their actions.   The "gatekeeping" "grognards"? Well they answered questions and was very helpful to the new people but not tell them how they should play.   Over all it was a fun night.