Greetings!

I think it is great to have Gypsies being actually different culturally, racially, and perhaps also religiously from the main, dominant culture. Having many of them be of dubious morality and ethics, often choosing to be Rogues or some kind of Charlatan adds lots of great flavour, tension, and potential drama. Stereotypes are *GOOD*. So is having hatred, racism, elitism, prejudice, as well as suffering and oppression in the campaign!

WTF, campaigns aren't supposed to be rainbow barney fests!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: jhkim on May 28, 2021, 02:22:35 PM
[So, comparing the original boxed set (1990 "Realms of Terror") and the new Van Richten's guide. I don't see anything explicit about anti-Vistani prejudice in the original book, either in the Gypsies section or in the write up for Van Richten. This is the Van Richten entry:

QuoteBackground: Originally a native of Darkon, Van Richten was a doctor who healed without magic. He had little skill as a surgeon, relying more on herbal medicines. Gypsies kidnapped his son, and took the boy out of Darkon. Van Richten pursued them, committing everything to regain his son. (Crossing the border did not reveal any "true past" to Van Richten. Darkon only affects the memories of characters who are born elsewhere.)

Eventually Van Richten caught up with his son--what remained of him. The gypsies had sold the boy to a vampire in Richemulot, who wanted a young, pure companion. Newly undead, the boy begged Van Richten to destroy him. He told his father how to accomplish the deed, and Van Richten released his son from torment.

Current Sketch: Since his son's destruction, Van Richten has hunted vampires and other supernatural creatures throughout Ravenloft. He has never attempted to destroy the lord of any domain. When not actively in pursuit of a creature, he runs an "Herbalist's Shop" in Mordentshire.

Dr. Van Richten is wise and well-educated, and know much about supernatural lore. He will not allow an innocent person to be hurt, perhaps even if it means sacrificing himself. Fortunately, he has not faced this fatal decision to date.

It doesn't mention the flaw of prejudice you mention. Perhaps it is mentioned as a flaw in one of the other books? I also don't see anything in the Gypsies section about prejudice against them. 

  It shows up in many of the Van Richten's Guides, starting with Ghosts, IIRC.

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Now, it's certainly possible in the original Ravenloft to have a story about anti-gypsy prejudice -- but that's going beyond what's written in the book. It seems just as possible to have a story about anti-Vistani prejudice in the 5e version.

   Hostility to the Vistani is called out in specific cases--Barovia's villagers, and Invidia's lord--but the general impression I have of the old setting is that while it's widespread, it's not universal.

Quote from: jhkim on May 28, 2021, 02:22:35 PM

Quote from: Bedrockbrendan on May 28, 2021, 01:08:40 PM
One thing worth mentioning about the Vistani in old Ravenloft is the whole thing about them being viewed with suspicion, was not an endorsement of viewing vagabonds with suspicion. It was a product of the world, which was inhabited by superstitious people who could commit evil out of fear (the same people who might exile, or even burn someone because they are an elf). They even played into this with Van Richten, the setting's greatest hero, who had a clear flaw in his deep prejudice towards Vistani (based around his background and how his son became a vampire if I recall). It was often handled in a campy way, but it came out of this idea that fear and prejudice were connected in the setting.

So, comparing the original boxed set (1990 "Realms of Terror") and the new Van Richten's guide. I don't see anything explicit about anti-Vistani prejudice in the original book, either in the Gypsies section or in the write up for Van Richten. This is the Van Richten entry:

QuoteBackground: Originally a native of Darkon, Van Richten was a doctor who healed without magic. He had little skill as a surgeon, relying more on herbal medicines. Gypsies kidnapped his son, and took the boy out of Darkon. Van Richten pursued them, committing everything to regain his son. (Crossing the border did not reveal any "true past" to Van Richten. Darkon only affects the memories of characters who are born elsewhere.)

Eventually Van Richten caught up with his son--what remained of him. The gypsies had sold the boy to a vampire in Richemulot, who wanted a young, pure companion. Newly undead, the boy begged Van Richten to destroy him. He told his father how to accomplish the deed, and Van Richten released his son from torment.

Current Sketch: Since his son's destruction, Van Richten has hunted vampires and other supernatural creatures throughout Ravenloft. He has never attempted to destroy the lord of any domain. When not actively in pursuit of a creature, he runs an "Herbalist's Shop" in Mordentshire.

Dr. Van Richten is wise and well-educated, and know much about supernatural lore. He will not allow an innocent person to be hurt, perhaps even if it means sacrificing himself. Fortunately, he has not faced this fatal decision to date.

It doesn't mention the flaw of prejudice you mention. Perhaps it is mentioned as a flaw in one of the other books? I also don't see anything in the Gypsies section about prejudice against them.

QuoteGypsies

The gypsies of Ravenloft--or Vistani as they call themselves--are a mysterious people. They wander the lands and travel the Mists, independent of the bonds which shackle lords to their domains and natives to their dreary, oppressed existence. In some ways they are the most power characters in Ravenloft, because in spirit, the gypsies are free.
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Gypsies have little to fear from the rules of Ravenloft's domains. Most lords tolerate them, and many are in awe of their powers. The gypsies' ability to travel the Mists and foretell the future commands great respect. Some lords forge agreements with the tribes. Count Strahd von Zarovich, for example, forged an alliance with the gypsy Madame Eva many years ago. He gave her a potion of immunity to his choking fog. Today, nearly all Vistani know this formula. They charge travellers for a drink of this potion and then ferry their customers across Barovia. In return for the Count's cooperation, Vistani inform Strahd of the activities in other domains, and act as spies for him in his own.
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When Gypsies Tell Lies

Every gypsy in Ravenloft has the potential to tell the future accurately. Not every gypsy can, however. Vistani are natural con artists, and Ravenloft is full of fake seers who eagerly lighten the purses of gullible travelers.

Now, it's certainly possible in the original Ravenloft to have a story about anti-gypsy prejudice -- but that's going beyond what's written in the book. It seems just as possible to have a story about anti-Vistani prejudice in the 5e version.

It was something they expanded on a number of times in the Van Richten books. It was pretty obvious when you read them. For example one of the more notable instances was when Van Richten was talking about a Vistani friend of his, and he explained that he 'doesn't judge an individual by the failing of there entire race'. This was clearly presented as a character flaw, in a humorous way, to the point that he inverts what in the 90s was accepted wisdom on judging groups (i.e. you don't judge groups by the failings of individuals within that group).

In terms of prejudice against Vistani themselves, I don' think that was a major focus of the original setting. If anything the Vistani were more prejudiced towards non-Vistani (Georgios)-- see attached.

But it did come up, as it did in the Van Richten books. Also in the novels, and I am sure elsewhere. My point was simply, when this sort of thing came up it wasn't an endorsement by the writers of gypsy prejudice, it was a reflection of it being a setting where people are cautious, cagey, and prone to xenophobia. You see this in the section on demihumans for example where it says in extreme cases a demihuman could spur a lynchmob. If you read the setting book it is pretty clear this is just due to the nature of the world: it is a shortcoming of the people who inhabit it due to the horrors of the world that surround them. It isn't an argument for lynch mobs being a good thing.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on May 28, 2021, 02:52:17 PM

Quote from: jhkim on May 28, 2021, 02:22:35 PM
Now, it's certainly possible in the original Ravenloft to have a story about anti-gypsy prejudice -- but that's going beyond what's written in the book. It seems just as possible to have a story about anti-Vistani prejudice in the 5e version.

   Hostility to the Vistani is called out in specific cases--Barovia's villagers, and Invidia's lord--but the general impression I have of the old setting is that while it's widespread, it's not universal.

OK, I see that now in the Barovia section.

QuoteStrahd allows the gypsies great freedom in Barovia. They offer him information about Barovia and the rest of the demiplane. In exchange, he grants them safety within Barovia. Anyone who encounters a gypsy in this domain can be sure that Strahd will know of the meeting within a day.

The gypsies maintain a semi-permanent camp at the base of Castle Ravenloft, near a pool formed in the River Ivlis. Most Barovians consider them to be amoral thieves, but still pay to watch their shows and conduct trade with them. Gypsies are not allowed to loiter within town limits.

But I'm not sure this hostility can be called prejudice, since it says very clearly that the Vistani there are all spies for Strahd. If anything, the Barovians seem remarkably accepting in not regarding the Vistani as enemies.

And yes, I see that Madame Aderre hates gypsies, but that's a specific hatred based on the gypsies own prejudice against half-bloods that caused them to sell her mother into slavery as a child. i.e. It doesn't reflect a general prejudice non-Vistani have against the Vistani. It illustrates further what Brendan said that the emphasis was more on the Vistani's own prejudice.

I believe that there is material in some of the other books - but I feel like that's comparing apples to oranges if judging the new Van Richten's guide. Given that the original book has nothing about general anti-Vistani prejudice, it seems wrong to claim that 5e is fatally flawed for not depicting anti-Vistani prejudice.

It seems to me that the big difference isn't about prejudice. It's that in the original, the Vistani were almost all working for Strahd - and in the 5e version, only one Vistani band made a deal with Strahd, and it made her a controversial figure with the others.

In practice, it seems hard to have a story about anti-Vistani prejudice when they're all spying for Strahd, as the Realm of Terror book describes. When I ran the Ravenloft module again two years ago, my son made a PC who was a sorcerer of Vistani birth. As I ran things, the deal between Strahd and Madame Eva was a strictly local deal, and it was more of a non-aggression treaty rather than them being spies for him. Hence, my son's PC hadn't heard of Strahd - and Eva did not inform to Strahd about the PCs after meeting them.

Greetings!

All of this handwringing about the Vistani in Ravenloft books is absolutely ridiculous. The Vistani are a fantasy race group in the game, with a primary perception basis of them from medieval Europe, and more importantly, as a fantasy horror element inspired from Hammer Horror films and early horror/Gothic literature.

Why is this such a bad thing? Who cares that some people want to snivel and sob in rage about how the Vistani are depicted?

We used to hate German Nazis. The Germans committed terrible atrocities against many people during World War II. What the Germans did then was *real*. People were absolutely justified in hating the Germans then, fighting them, and killing them.

Just like we roasted them by firebombing every German city into smoking, burning ash. Just like we slaughtered hundreds of thousands of German soldiers with tanks, artillery, fighter bombers strafing them, and in close, hand-to-hand combat. That was then, and a part of real history, with real people, real fire, and real blood.

Now, when I get together with some buddies and smoke cigars, drinking some beer, and playing Axis & Allies, when my American forces roll into France and Germany, am I actually killing real Nazis?

After I roll my tank armies into Germany, and bring their nation to defeat, should I look at any German people I know now, and think..."Hmmm...I need to get the flamethrower started up. I've got work to do!"

My point is the game doesn't have any connection to the HERE AND NOW.

These SJW's and whoever are crying about Vistani are all fucking nuts. A bunch of Marxist cucks and crybabies and wanna-be fucking tyrants.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: jhkim on May 28, 2021, 03:41:25 PM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on May 28, 2021, 02:52:17 PM

Quote from: jhkim on May 28, 2021, 02:22:35 PM
Now, it's certainly possible in the original Ravenloft to have a story about anti-gypsy prejudice -- but that's going beyond what's written in the book. It seems just as possible to have a story about anti-Vistani prejudice in the 5e version.

   Hostility to the Vistani is called out in specific cases--Barovia's villagers, and Invidia's lord--but the general impression I have of the old setting is that while it's widespread, it's not universal.

OK, I see that now in the Barovia section.

QuoteStrahd allows the gypsies great freedom in Barovia. They offer him information about Barovia and the rest of the demiplane. In exchange, he grants them safety within Barovia. Anyone who encounters a gypsy in this domain can be sure that Strahd will know of the meeting within a day.

The gypsies maintain a semi-permanent camp at the base of Castle Ravenloft, near a pool formed in the River Ivlis. Most Barovians consider them to be amoral thieves, but still pay to watch their shows and conduct trade with them. Gypsies are not allowed to loiter within town limits.

But I'm not sure this hostility can be called prejudice, since it says very clearly that the Vistani there are all spies for Strahd. If anything, the Barovians seem remarkably accepting in not regarding the Vistani as enemies.

And yes, I see that Madame Aderre hates gypsies, but that's a specific hatred based on the gypsies own prejudice against half-bloods that caused them to sell her mother into slavery as a child. i.e. It doesn't reflect a general prejudice non-Vistani have against the Vistani. It illustrates further what Brendan said that the emphasis was more on the Vistani's own prejudice.

I believe that there is material in some of the other books - but I feel like that's comparing apples to oranges if judging the new Van Richten's guide. Given that the original book has nothing about general anti-Vistani prejudice, it seems wrong to claim that 5e is fatally flawed for not depicting anti-Vistani prejudice.

It seems to me that the big difference isn't about prejudice. It's that in the original, the Vistani were almost all working for Strahd - and in the 5e version, only one Vistani band made a deal with Strahd, and it made her a controversial figure with the others.

In practice, it seems hard to have a story about anti-Vistani prejudice when they're all spying for Strahd, as the Realm of Terror book describes. When I ran the Ravenloft module again two years ago, my son made a PC who was a sorcerer of Vistani birth. As I ran things, the deal between Strahd and Madame Eva was a strictly local deal, and it was more of a non-aggression treaty rather than them being spies for him. Hence, my son's PC hadn't heard of Strahd - and Eva did not inform to Strahd about the PCs after meeting them.

Greetings!

Why is it bad to have characters hate Vistani in a fantasy game? Or people or characters hating Orcs, or Elves, or Ratmen?

Why is it some deep need for everyone to love everyone? Reality isn't a hippy, rainbow barney love-fest, and neither is the fantasy game.

Why would anyone want to play in a silly, boring game world where everyone is like rainbow barney?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: jhkim on May 28, 2021, 03:41:25 PM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on May 28, 2021, 02:52:17 PM

Quote from: jhkim on May 28, 2021, 02:22:35 PM
Now, it's certainly possible in the original Ravenloft to have a story about anti-gypsy prejudice -- but that's going beyond what's written in the book. It seems just as possible to have a story about anti-Vistani prejudice in the 5e version.

   Hostility to the Vistani is called out in specific cases--Barovia's villagers, and Invidia's lord--but the general impression I have of the old setting is that while it's widespread, it's not universal.

OK, I see that now in the Barovia section.

QuoteStrahd allows the gypsies great freedom in Barovia. They offer him information about Barovia and the rest of the demiplane. In exchange, he grants them safety within Barovia. Anyone who encounters a gypsy in this domain can be sure that Strahd will know of the meeting within a day.

The gypsies maintain a semi-permanent camp at the base of Castle Ravenloft, near a pool formed in the River Ivlis. Most Barovians consider them to be amoral thieves, but still pay to watch their shows and conduct trade with them. Gypsies are not allowed to loiter within town limits.

But I'm not sure this hostility can be called prejudice, since it says very clearly that the Vistani there are all spies for Strahd. If anything, the Barovians seem remarkably accepting in not regarding the Vistani as enemies.

And yes, I see that Madame Aderre hates gypsies, but that's a specific hatred based on the gypsies own prejudice against half-bloods that caused them to sell her mother into slavery as a child. i.e. It doesn't reflect a general prejudice non-Vistani have against the Vistani. It illustrates further what Brendan said that the emphasis was more on the Vistani's own prejudice.

I believe that there is material in some of the other books - but I feel like that's comparing apples to oranges if judging the new Van Richten's guide. Given that the original book has nothing about general anti-Vistani prejudice, it seems wrong to claim that 5e is fatally flawed for not depicting anti-Vistani prejudice.

It seems to me that the big difference isn't about prejudice. It's that in the original, the Vistani were almost all working for Strahd - and in the 5e version, only one Vistani band made a deal with Strahd, and it made her a controversial figure with the others.

In practice, it seems hard to have a story about anti-Vistani prejudice when they're all spying for Strahd, as the Realm of Terror book describes. When I ran the Ravenloft module again two years ago, my son made a PC who was a sorcerer of Vistani birth. As I ran things, the deal between Strahd and Madame Eva was a strictly local deal, and it was more of a non-aggression treaty rather than them being spies for him. Hence, my son's PC hadn't heard of Strahd - and Eva did not inform to Strahd about the PCs after meeting them.

I don't not having Vistani prejudice is a flaw (though I do think if they've stripped that from Van Richten as a character in the setting, in order to make him more righteous, it is a less interesting take---since that particular character flaw really is one of the contradictions in his character that made him compelling for me). I wouldn't say all the vistani worked for Strahd. Strahd, like a lot of lords, treated the vistani well in exchange for things like information because the Vistani have a freedom of movement and a connection to the mists that other people don't in the setting. I kind of liked how in the old setting, even the lords would have to rely on that from time to time, and were wise to respect the Vistani. I think the old setting wasn't about prejudice agains them. It was more they were mysterious and powerful and there seemed to be a blend of admiration, fear and respect. They were like wild cards: they had the upper hand and you didn't know if you were going to get what you needed or get misdirected or worse if you went to them for help (their fortune telling could be really useful, on the other hand, they could be selling you out to a local domain lord). I think for horror, that works pretty well. 

Quote from: jhkim on May 28, 2021, 03:41:25 PM


I believe that there is material in some of the other books - but I feel like that's comparing apples to oranges if judging the new Van Richten's guide. Given that the original book has nothing about general anti-Vistani prejudice, it seems wrong to claim that 5e is fatally flawed for not depicting anti-Vistani prejudice.

It is hard not to include some mention of other books though. The Van Richten books were pretty important in shaping the line and in developing the character of Van Richten. The black box is pretty broad stroke and bare bones. And for the most part, that is all you need: you can develop Ravenloft to taste from there. But I think a lot of peoples understanding of the Vistani in particular and of the nature of the setting was very dependent on some of the other material (like I said Van Richten books but also some of the modules and novels). What constitutes canon, is a bit debatable because the line changed over time, the setting is designed to change. The map itself changed at least three times in the 90s. And there wasn't always tremendous consistency (one book literally has an NPC call the place  Ravenloft, one books says no one in Raveneloft ever refers to it as such). But definitely the Van Richten books come up again and again as key.

Quote from: Jame Rowe on May 27, 2021, 08:14:31 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 27, 2021, 08:05:53 PM
Speaking of the Dark Powers, I heard they eliminated Dark Powers checks from the new Ravenloft. Can anyone confirm or deny?

No, they weren't removed.

I think they were changed, in that somehow PCs could contact them. I may have read it wrong.

Yes, I bought the book; I enjoy it as an adventure setting, and maybe I'll use it someday with changes inspired by 2e.

I'm sorry, but are there Dark Power CHECKS in the system? if so, can you cite the page, since you bought the book? Because I was hearing that there were no check mechanics. And that people can start with a Dark Gift at level one and its just basically a cool superpower with no mechanical consequences.

Quote from: jhkim on May 27, 2021, 08:23:15 PM

Claim: the Vistani who helped Strahd were fake because real Vistani can't be evil

QuoteMadame Eva. A controversial figure among the Vistani, Madame Eva made a bargain with the vampire Count Strahd von Zarovich. As a result, the evils that lurk in Barovia avoid Vistani. However, Madame Eva and her followers occasionally ally with the infamous count, giving them a sinister reputation. Madame Eva and her unique band of Vistani are detailed in the adventure Curse of Strahd.

Right, so there is ONE evil vistani to account for a pre produced module (that they probably consider racist now).
Meanwhile, answer yes or no:
-Is it or is it not true that the book claims that Vistani are beloved of the general population of ravenloft's realms and are almost welcome with cheers and happiness when they reach a village?

-Is it or is it not true that Esmerelda (who has now been redefined as "Ez", I guess "esmerelda" is too misogynist a name?) was now "from a family of criminals who were just pretending to be Vistani?

YES OR NO?

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 27, 2021, 08:26:45 PM
That makes me wonder if different domains might treat vistani very differently. The isolated pseudo-European rural villages might be xenophobic (while hypocrisy making dealings anyway), whereas the more industrialized Americanesque towns and cities might be largely indifferent (unless they need to buy something).

The book states something like that "only the most dismal location might be suspicious of them because they're suspicious of all travelers". It's literally NOT ALLOWED that in the realm of Ravenloft anyone normal would specifically distrust the Vistani. And of course now the Vistani are entirely cosmic do-gooders, the suggestion that any Vistani could be a thief, con artist, rogue, or other form of criminal is now a Hate Speech Crime.

Quote from: Jame Rowe on May 27, 2021, 08:37:04 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 27, 2021, 08:21:29 PM

Quote from: Jame Rowe on May 27, 2021, 08:14:31 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 27, 2021, 08:05:53 PM
Speaking of the Dark Powers, I heard they eliminated Dark Powers checks from the new Ravenloft. Can anyone confirm or deny?

No, they weren't removed.

I think they were changed, in that somehow PCs could contact them. I may have read it wrong.

Yes, I bought the book; I enjoy it as an adventure setting, and maybe I'll use it someday with changes inspired by 2e.

Uh... what? Why the fuck would the PCs be allowed to contact the metaphysical Dark Powers?

I'm not sure you understand what I meant. I mean the 'powers checks' where the PCs could gradually become corrupted by their actions.

Again, I may have read that wrong. Edit: I may be thinking of them making a Warlock subclass which draws its power from the Dark Powers somehow.

And yes, I misunderstood; they have a variation on the Powers Check. I can't quote it since I don't have my copy in front of me, though.

Please list the page number because I was told otherwise.

Quote from: jhkim on May 27, 2021, 08:53:58 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 27, 2021, 08:05:53 PM
Speaking of the Dark Powers, I heard they eliminated Dark Powers checks from the new Ravenloft. Can anyone confirm or deny?

They've eliminated the percentile roll, and instead made the offer at DM's discretion.

Right, so in other words there is no more Power Check MECHANIC anymore.

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Dark Bargains
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At the DM's discretion, sinister forces might contact a character and offer them a Dark Gift in return for some service or future favor.
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The DM might have a mysterious force intervene and offer a Dark Gift whenever a desperate or thematic instance presents itself, such as in any of the following cases:

• A Darklord will negotiate with a party only if a character seals the deal by accepting their Dark Gift.
• Time stops while a character is on the brink of death. A mysterious voice offers to save the character's life, but only if they accept the Dark Gift.
• An experiment or magical accident goes wrong. The DM allows a character to accept a Dark Gift or some other peril as a result.
• A character breaks a vow or suffers a curse (see chapter 4), gaining a Dark Gift as a result.
• A character touches a mysterious amber sarcophagus, and a force within entreats them to accept its influence in the form of a Dark Gift.

The list of gifts is shorter but each is more detailed than the 2e dark gifts, and the gifts each have down sides, like "Touch of Death" where you automatically harm anyone you hold. Mechanically, that's not a big deal (you deal necrotic damage any time you grapple someone), but it's a pretty significant issue for a character's personal life.

Characters can also choose to have a Dark Gift upon character creation, but as mentioned, they all have their down sides.

And, since you're trying to be so helpful, can you quote us what the book says about the NEGATIVE consequences of taking a dark gift? Because from what I was told, there is effectively NONE. I don't mean risks or side-effects of individual powers, I mean the idea that the Dark Powers are a CORRUPTING evil that gradually corrupts the character who embraces them both physically and morally, turning them into evil beings?

Quote from: Jame Rowe on May 27, 2021, 09:06:40 PM

Quote from: jhkim on May 27, 2021, 08:53:58 PM

They've eliminated the percentile roll, and instead made the offer at DM's discretion.

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Dark Bargains
...
At the DM's discretion, sinister forces might contact a character and offer them a Dark Gift in return for some service or future favor.
...
The DM might have a mysterious force intervene and offer a Dark Gift whenever a desperate or thematic instance presents itself, such as in any of the following cases:

• A Darklord will negotiate with a party only if a character seals the deal by accepting their Dark Gift.
• Time stops while a character is on the brink of death. A mysterious voice offers to save the character's life, but only if they accept the Dark Gift.
• An experiment or magical accident goes wrong. The DM allows a character to accept a Dark Gift or some other peril as a result.
• A character breaks a vow or suffers a curse (see chapter 4), gaining a Dark Gift as a result.
• A character touches a mysterious amber sarcophagus, and a force within entreats them to accept its influence in the form of a Dark Gift.

The list of gifts is shorter but each is more detailed than the 2e dark gifts, and the gifts each have down sides, like "Touch of Death" where you automatically harm anyone you hold. Mechanically, that's not a big deal (you deal necrotic damage any time you grapple someone), but it's a pretty significant issue for a character's personal life.

Characters can also choose to have a Dark Gift upon character creation, but as mentioned, they all have their down sides.

I don't mind this, it has the potential for good roleplaying.

No, it's just superpowers.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 28, 2021, 08:00:39 AM
One thing that gives me a slight sliver of hope is that Ravensoft has been getting less than glowing reviews from 'some' of the youtubers that you'd least suspect.

Of course, all the big youtubers are licking the arse of WoTC but that's to be expected.

There's clearly interest in hearing the truth about this. My Ravenloft videos are all overperforming in terms of views and interactions.