Quote from: Itachi;1137256Yeah, this.

Sauron is powered by magic. Megacorporations are powered by plot contrivance.

QuoteAlso, don5t know if it helps

It doesn't. Because none of what you listed historically resulted in any corporations buying or maintaining military assets. Rather the opposite: the corporations would have their resources pillaged and their stuff taken. Whatever breakdown in the national military would effect corporations twenty times more.

Quote from: CRKrueger;1137258So Corporations today don't have their own Communication satellites, their own intelligence operatives, their own security forces, their own Banks?  Of course they do.

I find your argument runs on the logic that's not really expandable.
It's like a setting where I find the idea of a country club taking over the world with their navy preposterous, and your counterexample is that country clubs have boats in reality, so them expanding to aircraft carriers is perfectly within reason.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1137269Sauron is powered by magic. Megacorporations are powered by plot contrivance.

I would say both are powered by whatever fictional argument the authors pulled from their asses. The difference is the former doesn't bother you while the later do. I'm the opposite, btw, as I see Sauron and the whole LotR affair as a silly moralist christian fantasy (though I wouldn't mind suspending my disbelief to play a game in that world). But I digress.

So, I think the thread fufilled it's purpose in helping you to confirm that SR is not for you.

Quote from: Itachi;1137275I would say both are powered by whatever fictional argument the authors pulled from their asses. The difference is the former doesn't bother you while the later do. I'm the opposite, btw, as I see Sauron and the whole LotR affair as a silly moralist christian fantasy (though I wouldn't mind suspending my disbelief to play a game in that world).

You can't suspend your disbelief for a demon, but are willing and insistent that corporations composed of actual humans are effectively them. Sauron is moralistic but making real people behave as evil as possible to the point of nonsense, just to be evil isn't. Interesting.

QuoteSo, I think the thread fufilled it's purpose in helping you to confirm that SR is not for you.

No, its primarily told me that the Shadowrun fanbase is strangely petulant and defensive.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1137086No, you are. Be dismissive and glib, but don't be a passive-aggressive weasel about it.

You don't understand, clearly.  I've never had a problem being an asshole to someone on this forum, to their face.  The problem you might be having in understanding my sincerity is that I decide to respond to a longish post, and it takes time to respond to posts piece by piece, with my opinion of you point changing the deeper I delve into what you actually write.

So when I write in my opening bit that "I don't mean X" that literally means I don't want to come across that way, as it seems... when I'm writing that... that you are genuinely struggling with some issue, or engaging in my argument. Later in that same post I am no longer apologetic because I am increasingly convinced that you are arguing in bad faith, and entirely engaged in attention seeking behavior and making deeply insincere arguments, so my tone changes as I post.

Luckily for your narcissistic tendencies, I realize that arguing with people to change their minds is futile, and not even the point of a public disagreement, so you get your regular supply of attention, and I get to hash out my ideas of, in this case Shadowrun, for the benefit of myself and any curious readers of the thread.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1137282You can't suspend your disbelief for a demon, but are willing and insistent that corporations composed of actual humans are effectively them. Sauron is moralistic but making real people behave as evil as possible to the point of nonsense, just to be evil isn't. Interesting.

You've read me wrong. I have played in games similar to LotR theme-wise and had good fun. I just don't find it any less absurd than Shadowrun or any other fantasy game.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1137269Sauron is powered by magic. Megacorporations are powered by plot contrivance.



It doesn't. Because none of what you listed historically resulted in any corporations buying or maintaining military assets. Rather the opposite: the corporations would have their resources pillaged and their stuff taken. Whatever breakdown in the national military would effect corporations twenty times more.


I find your argument runs on the logic that's not really expandable.
It's like a setting where I find the idea of a country club taking over the world with their navy preposterous, and your counterexample is that country clubs have boats in reality, so them expanding to aircraft carriers is perfectly within reason.

Oh, hey look, a complete ignoring of the points replaced with strawman disguised as reductio ad absurdam.

Go ahead and define "standing army" for me.  Does Monsanto have a Standing Army?

You're the one who is ignoring every piece of evidence existing from both our world and the Shadowrun one that shows that Shadowrun's Megas if anything are just a natural extension of Corporations today.

I don't really expect any answers to salient points because you've been acting just like a child who puts his fingers in his ears and cries "Nyah Nyah Nyah!  Writers don't know Economics!"

I just saw the official website for the new 6th edition, and woah... this is gorgeous!

https://www.shadowrunsixthworld.com/

(click "new to Shadowrun" at the corner and navigate through the topics)


If the corebook is as good as this, it may win as my fave art treatment ever for Shadowrun.

Quote from: Itachi;1137740If the corebook is as good as this

Go to resources and look at the two completely different errata docs for the core book and know that is not all the errata, only the errata the devs and released. If you dig through their message boards you will find the errata team has a lot more waiting for approval but that the guys in charge don't want to even look at it.