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The benefits of long, hard, detailed character creation?

Started by Dominus Nox, November 10, 2006, 11:36:39 PM

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Balbinus

#30
November 13, 2006, 06:01:38 AM
Quote from: SettembriniMuch worse: Longish char-gen makes the DM reluctant to kill when otherwise necessary!

This is I think the point for me.  Lengthy chargen does not make you more invested in a character, lengthy play does that.

But, if I know as a GM that it will take an hour or more to create a new character that does make me want to avoid that happening, it's too disruptive.  Lethality requires fast chargen, so you can get back into play quickly.

If the game by its nature is one with low mortality, for example an investigation focussed game or intrigue based, then this is less of an issue.  But in an action game I want fast chargen.  

But none of this has anything to do with making you care more about the character.

Gabriel

#31
November 13, 2006, 11:12:05 AM
Really the benefit of detailed character creation is when players appreciate that level of detail and that detail is used in the game.

Otherwise, it ends up being mathterbation.

Dr Rotwang!

#32
November 13, 2006, 01:21:27 PM
Quote from: GabrielReally the benefit of detailed character creation is when players appreciate that level of detail and that detail is used in the game.

Otherwise, it ends up being mathterbation.
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Akrasia

#33
November 13, 2006, 01:48:09 PM
Quote from: Dr Rotwang!0MG U R MAKIN TEH SENSEXX()RZ!!1!!!!

I apologise for the tangent, but I've often been puzzled by statements like the above one (as well as the far more common 'ROXXXORS' or 'ONE!1!ONE', or whatever).

Where did this format originate?  I seems like some generational thing that I completely missed.

Yes, I am a deeply ignorant person.

:confused:
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JamesV

#34
November 13, 2006, 02:00:56 PM
Quote from: AkrasiaI apologise for the tangent, but I've often been puzzled by statements like the above one (as well as the far more common 'ROXXXORS' or 'ONE!1!ONE', or whatever).

Where did this format originate?  I seems like some generational thing that I completely missed.

Yes, I am a deeply ignorant person.

:confused:

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Akrasia

#35
November 13, 2006, 02:05:14 PM
Quote from: JamesVWiki knows all about the small stuff.

Well, I already understood shorthand expressions like 'LOL' and the use of 'U' for 'you', and so forth.

I'm worndering whether there's something special about the all capitalized expressions like 'ROXXXOR' or '!!!!1ONE1!!!!' (I'm probably getting these wrong, but there seems to be a special subcategory here).
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kregmosier

#36
November 13, 2006, 02:07:19 PM
assuming the format originated on some odd corner or the net, but imho it was popularized (read: beaten into the ground) by Something Awful's JeffK.
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Settembrini

#37
November 13, 2006, 02:09:11 PM
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JamesV

#38
November 13, 2006, 02:14:16 PM
Quote from: AkrasiaWell, I already understood shorthand expressions like 'LOL' and the use of 'U' for 'you', and so forth.

I'm worndering whether there's something special about the all capitalized expressions like 'ROXXXOR' or '!!!!1ONE1!!!!' (I'm probably getting these wrong, but there seems to be a special subcategory here).

Ahh, that's leet speak, which is linked in the article.
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#39
November 13, 2006, 03:19:35 PM
Yeah, and I just use it for the sheer rambunctious joy of being stupid.

And now, back to our show!
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Akrasia

#40
November 13, 2006, 03:24:55 PM
Quote from: Settembrinihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet

Thanks for that link.  I feel less ignorant now.  :)

Amusingly, I always thought that 'pwned' was an oblique chess reference (i.e. deeming another player to be a minor, expendable piece in the game), not a deliberate mispelling of 'owned'.

Okay, my apologies for the tangent.

Back to the discussion of long, hard character creation!
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Dominus Nox

#41
November 15, 2006, 03:29:46 AM
Quote from: AkrasiaThanks for that link.  I feel less ignorant now.  :)

Amusingly, I always thought that 'pwned' was an oblique chess reference (i.e. deeming another player to be a minor, expendable piece in the game), not a deliberate mispelling of 'owned'.

Okay, my apologies for the tangent.

Back to the discussion of long, hard character creation!

Don't worry about not knowing about "pwned". Being ignorant of the mindless trivialities cyberbrats invent to amuse themselves and make like they're "Kewl" and "teh r00XX!" is nothing to be ashamed of.
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