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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #60 on: October 13, 2021, 01:53:42 PM »
Not all but most SJWs tend to be hypocrites in that if the other side complains or objects to something they don’t like they like to make it do that side overreacts. Yet when they hate or dislike something it’s the opposite. Hypocrisy at its finest.

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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #61 on: October 13, 2021, 02:46:52 PM »
I would like to know how the fuck can any Grognard "gatekeep" any "kid" from playing 5e?

Keeping kids from playing 5e is easy. All you need to do is not run D&D for your children or their friends. Break the chain. Make sure your kids don't have any nostalgic memories of Dungeons & Dragons that can be exploited by woke corporations.

OR I can run 5e for my kid because I like 5e and like my kid and her friends enjoying it and don't have a political agenda for my role playing games.

People on this message board seem to care a lot more about politics than gaming it seems these days, and have also lost their sense of humor in taking their politics and gaming oh so seriously.

  You can take politics seriously, or they will take you seriously.  I guess if I agreed with all the political shifting these days I would be a lot more laid back about it.  As for taking games seriously, well, I have literally a hundred different games.   So I can simply choose to play the ones who decided either they do not hate me, or are smart enough to STFU about it.  I have a feeling there are definitely some messages a person such as yourself could see coming from game designers where you would not touch them with a 10 foot pole.   The reality is, you just do not see those messages aimed at you in 5e, so its a nothing burger for you; if I were you I might feel the same.  I am not, so I do not.  Seems pretty simple a thing to grasp to me.   So by all means, feel free  to run all the games with a clown that looks like John Wayne Gasey you like.

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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #62 on: October 13, 2021, 05:08:38 PM »
I would like to know how the fuck can any Grognard "gatekeep" any "kid" from playing 5e?

Keeping kids from playing 5e is easy. All you need to do is not run D&D for your children or their friends. Break the chain. Make sure your kids don't have any nostalgic memories of Dungeons & Dragons that can be exploited by woke corporations.

OR I can run 5e for my kid because I like 5e and like my kid and her friends enjoying it and don't have a political agenda for my role playing games.

People on this message board seem to care a lot more about politics than gaming it seems these days, and have also lost their sense of humor in taking their politics and gaming oh so seriously.

BASED and Gamer-Pilled. For real, this resonates with me so hard. Good on you, seriously.

Stay centered everyone, the extremes on either end of the political shit are the enemies, educating people about critical thinking and staying away from hazardous group-think is the important thing.

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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #63 on: October 13, 2021, 05:54:21 PM »
When Mistwelk side does it we can’t comment because his side is above reproach on any and all levels.

What "side" am I? I bought the adventure and read it (something you have not done) and look forward to running it for my 10 year old kid because it's right in line with what I think her and her friends will like. You think that's a side?

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We do the same and we get accused of “being too serious and lacking a sense of humour”.

You ARE too serious and lacking in a sense of humor if you blow up "THACO the Clown" to be a personal attack all all older gamers. Yeah, that's exactly what that looks like.

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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #64 on: October 13, 2021, 06:01:17 PM »
I am enjoying reading the newest WOTC 5e adventure, Wild Beyond the Witchlight, in preparation to run it for my 10 year old daughter and her friends. It's a particularly kid-friendly adventure which is fanciful and can be completed with no combat if the group prefers that route.

Have you run the adventure yet, Mistwell? If so, how did it go?

What are the non-combat challenges like? Are they more mystery, exploration, riddles, or other?

No I am still a few weeks out from running it. I'm going through and putting my notes all over it to flesh out sections I think need more, or replace stuff I think won't work as well as my own ideas.

They are all of the above that you named. First section is a magical carnival with a variety of booths, games, rides, etc.. Each has it's own challenges. For instance the Carousel is a riddle based challenge, the Dragonfly ride is a skill challenge, Gondola Swans is a social challenge, Hall of Illusions is a mystery, etc..

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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #65 on: October 13, 2021, 06:11:49 PM »
I would like to know how the fuck can any Grognard "gatekeep" any "kid" from playing 5e?

Keeping kids from playing 5e is easy. All you need to do is not run D&D for your children or their friends. Break the chain. Make sure your kids don't have any nostalgic memories of Dungeons & Dragons that can be exploited by woke corporations.

OR I can run 5e for my kid because I like 5e and like my kid and her friends enjoying it and don't have a political agenda for my role playing games.

People on this message board seem to care a lot more about politics than gaming it seems these days, and have also lost their sense of humor in taking their politics and gaming oh so seriously.

  You can take politics seriously, or they will take you seriously.

No really, they won't. If you combine all D&D politics together, it's essentially all meaningless to my games. You guys make a huge deal about the tiniest little thing, but none of it ultimately means fuck-all for 99% of gamers in the world. And while it's always been that way to some extent (remember when the politics was replaced with Ron Edwards rants which were also meaningless to 99% of gamers?) it's gotten worse over the years. We went from a few politics threads to most of the board now being politics threads. Which has chased away many of the people who actually play RPGs and talked about the games they played, thus focusing the board on even more of the people who are here to rant about politics using the thin excuse of games, as a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy.

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I guess if I agreed with all the political shifting these days I would be a lot more laid back about it.  As for taking games seriously, well, I have literally a hundred different games.

But you talk about almost none of them lately. Why do you think that is? A few years ago you'd be talking about them a lot more here. Almost all you post about these days is the latest political outrage though.  Even though you still have literally a hundred different games to talk about which are exactly the same as they were before.

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So I can simply choose to play the ones who decided either they do not hate me, or are smart enough to STFU about it.  I have a feeling there are definitely some messages a person such as yourself could see coming from game designers where you would not touch them with a 10 foot pole.   The reality is, you just do not see those messages aimed at you in 5e, so its a nothing burger for you; if I were you I might feel the same.  I am not, so I do not.  Seems pretty simple a thing to grasp to me.   So by all means, feel free  to run all the games with a clown that looks like John Wayne Gasey you like.

I don't CARE about "messages" subtly hidden in RPG material and I never did, beyond being mildly amused by some or mildly miffed I have to replace it. I just change whatever I want to change. Which I suspect is what you used to do with material you didn't care for in your games before you got caught up in the outrage loop. You used to focus more on the commonalities between gamers (and the differences between gamers and non-gamers) but all you do these days is focus on the differences between sub-groups of gamers and make sure everyone takes a side and gets upset at "the other" side of gamers.

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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #66 on: October 13, 2021, 06:32:19 PM »
"Guys if you don't want to spend your money or leisure time on a game that explicitly makes changes to proselytize a hateful ideology, and rather play other games, then you're being too political."


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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #67 on: October 13, 2021, 06:35:28 PM »
"Guys if you don't want to spend your money or leisure time on a game that explicitly makes changes to proselytize a hateful ideology, and rather play other games, then you're being too political."


No, and that's bullshit. Nobody is telling you to play this game, at least not here. I was explaining why I am running it and why I don't the political stuff compelling for me and how the reactions to this clown look to me like people are taking their politics and gaming too seriously. But never have I or anyone else here suggested you should spend your money and time on something you're not interested in. Buy and play what you like. I just wish people would talk more about what they like and less about what they dislike.

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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #68 on: October 13, 2021, 06:44:52 PM »
I would like to know how the fuck can any Grognard "gatekeep" any "kid" from playing 5e?

Keeping kids from playing 5e is easy. All you need to do is not run D&D for your children or their friends. Break the chain. Make sure your kids don't have any nostalgic memories of Dungeons & Dragons that can be exploited by woke corporations.

OR I can run 5e for my kid because I like 5e and like my kid and her friends enjoying it and don't have a political agenda for my role playing games.

People on this message board seem to care a lot more about politics than gaming it seems these days, and have also lost their sense of humor in taking their politics and gaming oh so seriously.

From a gaming perspective, there's far better games, settings, adventures, and sourcebooks to present to your kids than any of the 5e stuff, which is mostly mediocre corporate garbage. Almost any OSR product is better, certainly mine are better.

I mean, I get that as a parent you lose all perspective of coolness but giving them the megacorporation-approved product is like buying them the latest corporate faux boy-band record. You can do that, they'll probably like it because they've been programmed to, but if you wanted your child to be a real person and not an NPC, you'd introduce them to the Velvet Underground, or the Ramones, or the Smiths. Or hell, to Ustad Vilayat Khan, or Hamza El Din, or Vinicius de Moraes.
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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #69 on: October 13, 2021, 06:51:30 PM »
As for taking games seriously, well, I have literally a hundred different games.   So I can simply choose to play the ones who decided either they do not hate me, or are smart enough to STFU about it.  I have a feeling there are definitely some messages a person such as yourself could see coming from game designers where you would not touch them with a 10 foot pole.   The reality is, you just do not see those messages aimed at you in 5e, so its a nothing burger for you; if I were you I might feel the same.  I am not, so I do not.

I don't speak for Mistwell, but speaking for myself, I don't have any such game designers. I don't go sifting through the messages of game designers to see what their politics are, or whether they like me or not -- because I don't care much about what I find.

I buy games based on whether the content seems like fun to me, not based on the politics of the author.

I realize that there are plenty of people on both the left and right who feel differently - but that doesn't mean that plenty of people like me don't exist.

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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #70 on: October 13, 2021, 07:29:34 PM »
I would like to know how the fuck can any Grognard "gatekeep" any "kid" from playing 5e?

Keeping kids from playing 5e is easy. All you need to do is not run D&D for your children or their friends. Break the chain. Make sure your kids don't have any nostalgic memories of Dungeons & Dragons that can be exploited by woke corporations.

OR I can run 5e for my kid because I like 5e and like my kid and her friends enjoying it and don't have a political agenda for my role playing games.

People on this message board seem to care a lot more about politics than gaming it seems these days, and have also lost their sense of humor in taking their politics and gaming oh so seriously.

From a gaming perspective, there's far better games, settings, adventures, and sourcebooks to present to your kids than any of the 5e stuff, which is mostly mediocre corporate garbage. Almost any OSR product is better, certainly mine are better.

I mean, I get that as a parent you lose all perspective of coolness but giving them the megacorporation-approved product is like buying them the latest corporate faux boy-band record. You can do that, they'll probably like it because they've been programmed to, but if you wanted your child to be a real person and not an NPC, you'd introduce them to the Velvet Underground, or the Ramones, or the Smiths. Or hell, to Ustad Vilayat Khan, or Hamza El Din, or Vinicius de Moraes.

This material comes with great big fold out maps, and I was able to buy nice full color cards for each NPC which has nice artwork for each one, and there is a lot of support online from others who expand on the material, and I can easily access the material online through DND Beyond along with the hardcopies, and the combination just makes it so much easier to work with this material. I can spend my time prepping it to run it the way I like, rather than building out all that other drudgery shit.

I find it ironic though that someone just accused me of telling them to buy this stuff and run this stuff, which I didn't do and never implied in any way. And then I get replies like yours telling me to NOT buy the shit and run the shit that I already said I actually like and which works for me. And nobody will call you out on doing exactly what they accused me of doing which I never did. I suspect that irony will be lost in the agenda-pushing though. By liking something you guys don't like, that puts me on the wrong side of the message boards current themes - so anything goes, including in engaging in tactics which everyone had just agreed would be bad if I had been the one engaging in them.

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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #71 on: October 13, 2021, 07:34:41 PM »
As for taking games seriously, well, I have literally a hundred different games.   So I can simply choose to play the ones who decided either they do not hate me, or are smart enough to STFU about it.  I have a feeling there are definitely some messages a person such as yourself could see coming from game designers where you would not touch them with a 10 foot pole.   The reality is, you just do not see those messages aimed at you in 5e, so its a nothing burger for you; if I were you I might feel the same.  I am not, so I do not.

I don't speak for Mistwell, but speaking for myself, I don't have any such game designers. I don't go sifting through the messages of game designers to see what their politics are, or whether they like me or not -- because I don't care much about what I find.

I buy games based on whether the content seems like fun to me, not based on the politics of the author.

I realize that there are plenty of people on both the left and right who feel differently - but that doesn't mean that plenty of people like me don't exist.

I agree. I think most people don't even know who the game creators are. Literally I think most people playing D&D don't even know who Jeremy Crawford is and what he believes or doesn't believe about anything.

I've always separated the art from the artist. When people thought Zak S was evil, I still said I find Vornheim useful. When people say Pundit is evil, I still said I find some of his gaming perspectives helpful and would happily buy something like Arrows of Indra if I thought my players would enjoy that kind of setting. I don't agree with the politics of either Zak or Pundit, but all of that is irrelevant to whether or not I like the gaming stuff they put out. I have a ton of RPG material from people whose names I don't even know and have no idea what their politics might be. And for me at least that's the way it should be.

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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #72 on: October 13, 2021, 07:37:28 PM »
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9) THAC0 cannot stand children and think's they're like roaches.
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Speaking of clowns, at least WoTC hasn't adopted Kinko the kid loving clown as their mascot... yet.

Plubicly, because the judges for MtG was infested with Kinko imitators... If you know what I mean.

Given WotC's public actions towards those who pointed out all the Kinko imitators at MtG events.

I'm rather glad that THACO the Clown/Traditional Gamers, are shown to not be overly fond of children...

WotC sure didn't like those pointing the Kinko imitators, they made sure to let us all know by banning them from all and any official events and lying about them.

Wasn't that the Quartering who also got banned from gencon for being punched.

Yep and I hate them for making me speak in the defense of that fucking attention whore.
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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #73 on: October 13, 2021, 07:38:19 PM »
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9) THAC0 cannot stand children and think's they're like roaches.
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Speaking of clowns, at least WoTC hasn't adopted Kinko the kid loving clown as their mascot... yet.

Plubicly, because the judges for MtG was infested with Kinko imitators... If you know what I mean.

Given WotC's public actions towards those who pointed out all the Kinko imitators at MtG events.

I'm rather glad that THACO the Clown/Traditional Gamers, are shown to not be overly fond of children...

WotC sure didn't like those pointing the Kinko imitators, they made sure to let us all know by banning them from all and any official events and lying about them.

It seems that someone doth protest too much...



Care to make it cristal clear what you're implying about me?

??? what !???

I was referring to WotCs treatment of the guy who pointed out the kinko imitators inMtG tournaments dude.

I thought that was evident from my bolding of text... I will edit to make that crystal clear!

Sorry, my bad, at times the aspie symptoms get the better of me.
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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #74 on: October 13, 2021, 08:37:32 PM »
I notice Mistwell ignored it pretended to ignore part of my post.

Let me ask again if the adventure had an NPC stuck on a wheelchair and the character not only died they died because they could not get up the bunch of stairs would you still be promoting the product.

If the adventure had a gay character written with the worst stereotypes imaginable of gay culture again would you still like and promote the adventure and suddenly claim to not care about politics.

Or are you going to both be evasive and disingenuous and avoid answering both. Or claim to be the victim when it suits you.