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Author Topic: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?  (Read 8296 times)

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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2021, 05:34:40 PM »
Wait when did that happen?

4e marketting materials. Id wager them alone cost them at least 5% of the playerbase.

Lol i gotta find this. Ive been told people 4e marketing was terrible but saw very little of it.

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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2021, 07:12:43 PM »
Wait when did that happen?

4e marketting materials. Id wager them alone cost them at least 5% of the playerbase.

Lol i gotta find this. Ive been told people 4e marketing was terrible but saw very little of it.

  Here it is: https://youtu.be/Azcn84IIDVg?list=PLB328BF2E46BD37B3&t=102
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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2021, 11:48:53 PM »
I am enjoying reading the newest WOTC 5e adventure, Wild Beyond the Witchlight, in preparation to run it for my 10 year old daughter and her friends. It's a particularly kid-friendly adventure which is fanciful and can be completed with no combat if the group prefers that route.
An uncreative, unfunny joke about THAC0 and grognards doesn't bother me a bit (it's what you would expect of the talentless hacks at WotC).  What is offensive is the adventure as a whole.  "Fanciful" is simply SJW for "LOL, so random!" as conceived by millennial dangerhairs.  And an adventure that eschews combat?  Not D&D.  Period.  You can play non-combat RPGs all day long, but combat is one of the three pillars of D&D.  It's not the game without it.  What's next, an entire adventure about going to prom (yeah, I know)?

The woketards at WotC feel like they can diss old grognards because the have internalized the modern leftist worship of youth.  But the reality is, all of the people who are responsible for the good parts of the rules are old dudes.  Because experience matters, and that's the one thing a young person can't fake.  So they don't understand what makes D&D D&D....

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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2021, 12:08:58 AM »
What's next, an entire adventure about going to prom (yeah, I know)?

An adventure about going to the prom is no guarantee that there wont be any combat.

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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2021, 12:46:49 AM »
Don't let this rile you up or your kinda falling for the bait exactly. Im sure some WOTC employee is having a chuckle at this very thread.

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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2021, 01:47:11 AM »
I am enjoying reading the newest WOTC 5e adventure, Wild Beyond the Witchlight, in preparation to run it for my 10 year old daughter and her friends. It's a particularly kid-friendly adventure which is fanciful and can be completed with no combat if the group prefers that route.
An uncreative, unfunny joke about THAC0 and grognards doesn't bother me a bit (it's what you would expect of the talentless hacks at WotC).  What is offensive is the adventure as a whole.  "Fanciful" is simply SJW for "LOL, so random!" as conceived by millennial dangerhairs.

That was my description, not theirs. It's not random at all, and I like it so far quite a bit. But hey, you go on with your bad self deciding an adventure is shit without reading it or playing it yourself. What a bad ass that makes you.

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And an adventure that eschews combat?  Not D&D.  Period.  You can play non-combat RPGs all day long, but combat is one of the three pillars of D&D.  It's not the game without it.  What's next, an entire adventure about going to prom (yeah, I know)?

You can have loads of combat in this adventure if that is what your PCs decide to do. It's that you CAN get through it with little to no combat. It's plenty D&D. It just allows you to focus on the other two pillars IF that's what your PCs want. It doesn't rail road you down the combat pillar whether you like it or not.

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The woketards at WotC feel like they can diss old grognards because the have internalized the modern leftist worship of youth.  But the reality is, all of the people who are responsible for the good parts of the rules are old dudes.  Because experience matters, and that's the one thing a young person can't fake.  So they don't understand what makes D&D D&D....

An old person, with experience in classic D&D, wrote this adventure.

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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2021, 01:49:25 AM »
Don't let this rile you up or your kinda falling for the bait exactly. Im sure some WOTC employee is having a chuckle at this very thread.

Well that's the question really, isn't it. ARE they poking fun at Pundit?

I started out thinking no. The more I look at the description and think about it I think maybe they are. They mean SOMETHING by that pipe reference. I know sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, but I don't think that pipe is just a random pipe :)

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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2021, 02:31:33 AM »
THACO the Clown can't be Pundit, because he is not the final boss.

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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2021, 12:28:10 PM »
If they really wanted to be old school he'd be named Attack Matrix the clown

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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2021, 12:33:12 PM »
If they really wanted to be old school he'd be named Attack Matrix the clown

That sounds super baddass.

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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2021, 01:11:01 PM »
Speaking of clowns, at least WoTC hasn't adopted Kinko the kid loving clown as their mascot... yet.

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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2021, 01:20:07 PM »
Speaking of clowns, at least WoTC hasn't adopted Kinko the kid loving clown as their mascot... yet.

Plubicly, because the judges for MtG was infested with Kinko immitators... If you know what I mean.
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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2021, 07:55:36 PM »
I would like to know how the fuck can any Grognard "gatekeep" any "kid" from playing 5e?

Are there secret Gorgnard commandos going around and taking any "kid's" books away or something?

D&D is kind of getting into cult marketing and selling their stuff to a community who is on the cutting edge of "thing". This views people who don't buy "product" as outsiders and backwards and anyone who buys a competitor's product doesn't appreciate quality. Any one who does not voluntarily act as an unpaid salesman ti engage in the marketing apologia and polemics is disloyal or gatekeeping and those who dare criticize the product, tech, or brand are saboteurs trying to bring the whole industry to ruin.

Now I have to admit that some in the OSR have also experimented with cult marketing but don't have the megaphone to make use of it. Hasbro has the live roleplay cast/prop shows and some web comics. OSR has some carnival barking going in the form of blogs and youtube and twitter drama to get people into the tent to try it out.

Anyway, that's my view of things. Having a buffoon representing outsiders and competition is a big part of cult marketing. Remember apple started out with nonsense about smashing 1984 and "it just works" and eventually had a Mac and a nerdy delusional PC who likes spreadsheets as MAC's foil.

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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2021, 08:14:35 PM »
This product is horrifically bad, and an example of exactly what they want to do in the future. The game is not just not about combat, it punishes combat. The game is meant to be about player characters going around being dramatic and having whimsical encounters in a cutesy-poo land of wonder. It's marketed as "D&D for theatre kids". DMs are FORCED to have a session zero, and players have veto power over the DM.

And Thaco The Clown is really a dig against all of the regular D&D gamers who object to the SJW agenda of WoTC. It's a sad/angry clown that's a literal gatekeeper (he guards a door), named after a weird mechanic (the choice of which shows how stunningly ignorant the likes of Chris Perkins really are about D&D or the OSR).

But on another level, the pipe is undoubtedly a direct dig at me. Which just shows you how much I worry these guys. How mad they are at me. And how worried they are about the rising level of criticisms as they accelerate the speed of their agenda at turning D&D into an SJW theater game for millennial narcissists.

Thaco the Clown isn't an attack on me. It's an attack on YOU. I'm just in their way.
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Re: THAC0 the Clown in Witchlight Adventure a Dig at Pundit?
« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2021, 08:57:02 PM »

D&D is kind of getting into cult marketing and selling their stuff to a community who is on the cutting edge of "thing". This views people who don't buy "product" as outsiders and backwards and anyone who buys a competitor's product doesn't appreciate quality. Any one who does not voluntarily act as an unpaid salesman ti engage in the marketing apologia and polemics is disloyal or gatekeeping and those who dare criticize the product, tech, or brand are saboteurs trying to bring the whole industry to ruin.

  I remember WotC talking about turning customers into "brand evangelists" back in the mid-2000s.

  As for Thaco the Clown, I looked for it when glancing at the adventure at my FLGS on Saturday and figured it was a dig at anyone who doesn't adore 5E and take the Mark of the Rainbow Dragon, but I was actually more miffed by Strongheart being declared a paladin who doesn't worship any god but draws power from the ideal that evil can be resisted by those with courage. Yes, if you want, you could read that as Strongheart being a Paladin of Social Justice Activism. ;)
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