I am enjoying reading the newest WOTC 5e adventure, Wild Beyond the Witchlight, in preparation to run it for my 10 year old daughter and her friends. It's a particularly kid-friendly adventure which is fanciful and can be completed with no combat if the group prefers that route.
In the adventure there is an obvious Gorgnard joke. The adventure begins at a magical carnival. While PCs can take many different routes to complete this section of the adventure, it's highly likely the route they choose will eventually lead them to the wagon which houses the people who head the Carnival.
And that wagon is guarded by a sad clown named THAC0. As in, he's the gatekeeper.
THAC0 is not important to the adventure. So this isn't meaningful spoilers. Here is his description:
THAC0:
1) Sits right outside the door to [an important location] blowing bubbles with his bubble pipe.
2) Does not get along with Burly, another guard who is younger and likely to try and help the adventurers.
3) Thaco is the longest-serving Witchlight hand,
4) Nobody knows THAC0's history and scarcely any dare to ask, for he almost never speaks and harbors a malicious streak that is kept in check by Mister Witch (one of the people who controls the carnival).
5) THAC0 paints his face with a grin and puffs on a bubble pipe.
6) THAC0 retired from performing and no longer stages his knife-throwing act due to an unfortunate incident that took place in the Big Top some time ago.
7) THAC0 prefers not to talk and when he must he says as little as possible. He thinks everyone should mind their own business.
8 ) If anyone tries to touch THAC0's bubble pipe they will lose a finger.
9) THAC0 cannot stand children and think's they're like roaches.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_BRdzLVIAEgLj4.jpg)
Now obviously this is WOTC poking fun at THAC0. And gatekeeping grognards who dislike the kids playing these days. I found it mildly amusing as a silly sort of inside joke (those new players won't even get the joke). Yah gotta be able to laugh at yourself. But your mileage may vary and maybe you find this offensive or insulting or bullying or whatever. And I am not saying that's an unfair reaction.
But the reason I am making this thread is the "bubble pipe" threw people at other places. Everyone was trying to figure out what that was about as it didn't fit any of the other things people assumed were being poked fun at and it seemed like it was taking a dig at someone specific.
And then someone at ENWorld suggested they thought this was an intentional dig at Pundit. Who is fond of smoking a pipe (though I think he's more associated with cigars, at least in my view).
And there are certainly other elements listed here which could be a dig at Pundit. Doesn't like to show his true face. Used to have an act at the big top but is no longer associated with the big top due to an unfortunate incident that they don't discuss anymore. That...does sound like it could be WOTC taking a shot at Pundit.
What do you think? Did WOTC take a direct shot at Pundit with the THAC0 NPC?
I'm not saying it isn't, but
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7) THAC0 prefers not to talk and when he must he says as little as possible
Doesn't really sound like Pundit to me. Have you ever tried to listen to any of his YouTube clips? ;D
I don't think specifically at pundit-no.
This NPC put this adventure as one of the worst written adventures and unprofessional to boot. Pretty much saying that anyone who likes older D&D is a sad clown and a fool.
I personally dislike clowns. Creepy.
Definitely a dig at grognards and TSR-era D&D. The lack of respect for those who made what they're pinching a buck off of is distasteful.
I doubt it's a dig at anyone in particular, more just at older gamers who might engage in "gatekeeping" like expecting D&D to be written and produced by people who don't hate every single about D&D.
Another fine example of gamma males not having the balls to actually insult someone to their face.
And people wonder why I won't pay money for WotC products any more.
I would like to know how the fuck can any Grognard "gatekeep" any "kid" from playing 5e?
Are there secret Gorgnard commandos going around and taking any "kid's" books away or something?
Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 10, 2021, 02:57:56 PM
Another fine example of gamma males not having the balls to actually insult someone to their face.
A fine example of projecting your failings onto others.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 10, 2021, 03:23:49 PM
I would like to know how the fuck can any Grognard "gatekeep" any "kid" from playing 5e?
Are there secret Gorgnard commandos going around and taking any "kid's" books away or something?
Double.standard much? You take some things literally but not others. How selective of you.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 10, 2021, 03:23:49 PM
I would like to know how the fuck can any Grognard "gatekeep" any "kid" from playing 5e?
Are there secret Gorgnard commandos going around and taking any "kid's" books away or something?
It's the same team of brownshirts who show up and slap the men's razors out of women's hand if they try to avoid the "pink tax".
Quote from: therealjcm on October 10, 2021, 04:12:11 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 10, 2021, 03:23:49 PM
I would like to know how the fuck can any Grognard "gatekeep" any "kid" from playing 5e?
Are there secret Gorgnard commandos going around and taking any "kid's" books away or something?
It's the same team of brownshirts who show up and slap the men's razors out of women's hand if they try to avoid the "pink tax".
Oh! I didn't know they were one and the same! ;D
At least they didn't have a dragon take a shit on their strawman this time. So at least thats a step up.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 10, 2021, 04:46:43 PM
At least they didn't have a dragon take a shit on their strawman this time. So at least thats a step up.
Wait when did that happen?
Quote from: Slambo on October 10, 2021, 05:16:54 PMWait when did that happen?
4e marketting materials. Id wager them alone cost them at least 5% of the playerbase.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 10, 2021, 05:31:43 PM
Quote from: Slambo on October 10, 2021, 05:16:54 PMWait when did that happen?
4e marketting materials. Id wager them alone cost them at least 5% of the playerbase.
Lol i gotta find this. Ive been told people 4e marketing was terrible but saw very little of it.
Quote from: Slambo on October 10, 2021, 05:34:40 PM
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 10, 2021, 05:31:43 PM
Quote from: Slambo on October 10, 2021, 05:16:54 PMWait when did that happen?
4e marketting materials. Id wager them alone cost them at least 5% of the playerbase.
Lol i gotta find this. Ive been told people 4e marketing was terrible but saw very little of it.
Here it is: https://youtu.be/Azcn84IIDVg?list=PLB328BF2E46BD37B3&t=102 (https://youtu.be/Azcn84IIDVg?list=PLB328BF2E46BD37B3&t=102)
Quote from: Mistwell on October 10, 2021, 11:28:53 AM
I am enjoying reading the newest WOTC 5e adventure, Wild Beyond the Witchlight, in preparation to run it for my 10 year old daughter and her friends. It's a particularly kid-friendly adventure which is fanciful and can be completed with no combat if the group prefers that route.
An uncreative, unfunny joke about THAC0 and grognards doesn't bother me a bit (it's what you would expect of the talentless hacks at WotC). What is offensive is the adventure as a whole. "Fanciful" is simply SJW for "LOL, so random!" as conceived by millennial dangerhairs. And an adventure that eschews combat? Not D&D. Period. You can play non-combat RPGs all day long, but combat is one of the three pillars of D&D. It's not the game without it. What's next, an entire adventure about going to prom (yeah, I know)?
The woketards at WotC feel like they can diss old grognards because the have internalized the modern leftist worship of youth. But the reality is, all of the people who are responsible for the good parts of the rules are old dudes. Because experience matters, and that's the one thing a young person can't fake. So they don't understand what makes D&D D&D....
Quote from: Eirikrautha on October 10, 2021, 11:48:53 PM
What's next, an entire adventure about going to prom (yeah, I know)?
An adventure about going to the prom is no guarantee that there wont be any combat.
In Old school DnD a third of the people will be shapechangers of one type or another.
Don't let this rile you up or your kinda falling for the bait exactly. Im sure some WOTC employee is having a chuckle at this very thread.
Quote from: Eirikrautha on October 10, 2021, 11:48:53 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on October 10, 2021, 11:28:53 AM
I am enjoying reading the newest WOTC 5e adventure, Wild Beyond the Witchlight, in preparation to run it for my 10 year old daughter and her friends. It's a particularly kid-friendly adventure which is fanciful and can be completed with no combat if the group prefers that route.
An uncreative, unfunny joke about THAC0 and grognards doesn't bother me a bit (it's what you would expect of the talentless hacks at WotC). What is offensive is the adventure as a whole. "Fanciful" is simply SJW for "LOL, so random!" as conceived by millennial dangerhairs.
That was my description, not theirs. It's not random at all, and I like it so far quite a bit. But hey, you go on with your bad self deciding an adventure is shit without reading it or playing it yourself. What a bad ass that makes you.
QuoteAnd an adventure that eschews combat? Not D&D. Period. You can play non-combat RPGs all day long, but combat is one of the three pillars of D&D. It's not the game without it. What's next, an entire adventure about going to prom (yeah, I know)?
You can have loads of combat in this adventure if that is what your PCs decide to do. It's that you CAN get through it with little to no combat. It's plenty D&D. It just allows you to focus on the other two pillars IF that's what your PCs want. It doesn't rail road you down the combat pillar whether you like it or not.
QuoteThe woketards at WotC feel like they can diss old grognards because the have internalized the modern leftist worship of youth. But the reality is, all of the people who are responsible for the good parts of the rules are old dudes. Because experience matters, and that's the one thing a young person can't fake. So they don't understand what makes D&D D&D....
An old person, with experience in classic D&D, wrote this adventure.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 11, 2021, 12:46:49 AM
Don't let this rile you up or your kinda falling for the bait exactly. Im sure some WOTC employee is having a chuckle at this very thread.
Well that's the question really, isn't it. ARE they poking fun at Pundit?
I started out thinking no. The more I look at the description and think about it I think maybe they are. They mean SOMETHING by that pipe reference. I know sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, but I don't think that pipe is just a random pipe :)
THACO the Clown can't be Pundit, because he is not the final boss.
If they really wanted to be old school he'd be named Attack Matrix the clown
Quote from: Slambo on October 11, 2021, 12:28:10 PM
If they really wanted to be old school he'd be named Attack Matrix the clown
That sounds super baddass.
"INITIATING HOMING PINS"
"LOADING COMEDIC DEATH QUIPS"
"DESTRUCTION ROUTINES - LOADED"
Speaking of clowns, at least WoTC hasn't adopted Kinko the kid loving clown as their mascot... yet.
Quote from: Banjo Destructo on October 11, 2021, 01:11:01 PM
Speaking of clowns, at least WoTC hasn't adopted Kinko the kid loving clown as their mascot... yet.
Plubicly, because the judges for MtG was infested with Kinko immitators... If you know what I mean.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 10, 2021, 03:23:49 PM
I would like to know how the fuck can any Grognard "gatekeep" any "kid" from playing 5e?
Are there secret Gorgnard commandos going around and taking any "kid's" books away or something?
D&D is kind of getting into cult marketing and selling their stuff to a community who is on the cutting edge of "thing". This views people who don't buy "product" as outsiders and backwards and anyone who buys a competitor's product doesn't appreciate quality. Any one who does not voluntarily act as an unpaid salesman ti engage in the marketing apologia and polemics is disloyal or gatekeeping and those who dare criticize the product, tech, or brand are saboteurs trying to bring the whole industry to ruin.
Now I have to admit that some in the OSR have also experimented with cult marketing but don't have the megaphone to make use of it. Hasbro has the live roleplay cast/prop shows and some web comics. OSR has some carnival barking going in the form of blogs and youtube and twitter drama to get people into the tent to try it out.
Anyway, that's my view of things. Having a buffoon representing outsiders and competition is a big part of cult marketing. Remember apple started out with nonsense about smashing 1984 and "it just works" and eventually had a Mac and a nerdy delusional PC who likes spreadsheets as MAC's foil.
This isn't anything new.
This product is horrifically bad, and an example of exactly what they want to do in the future. The game is not just not about combat, it punishes combat. The game is meant to be about player characters going around being dramatic and having whimsical encounters in a cutesy-poo land of wonder. It's marketed as "D&D for theatre kids". DMs are FORCED to have a session zero, and players have veto power over the DM.
And Thaco The Clown is really a dig against all of the regular D&D gamers who object to the SJW agenda of WoTC. It's a sad/angry clown that's a literal gatekeeper (he guards a door), named after a weird mechanic (the choice of which shows how stunningly ignorant the likes of Chris Perkins really are about D&D or the OSR).
But on another level, the pipe is undoubtedly a direct dig at me. Which just shows you how much I worry these guys. How mad they are at me. And how worried they are about the rising level of criticisms as they accelerate the speed of their agenda at turning D&D into an SJW theater game for millennial narcissists.
Thaco the Clown isn't an attack on me. It's an attack on YOU. I'm just in their way.
Quote from: palaeomerus on October 11, 2021, 07:55:36 PM
D&D is kind of getting into cult marketing and selling their stuff to a community who is on the cutting edge of "thing". This views people who don't buy "product" as outsiders and backwards and anyone who buys a competitor's product doesn't appreciate quality. Any one who does not voluntarily act as an unpaid salesman ti engage in the marketing apologia and polemics is disloyal or gatekeeping and those who dare criticize the product, tech, or brand are saboteurs trying to bring the whole industry to ruin.
I remember WotC talking about turning customers into "brand evangelists" back in the mid-2000s.
As for Thaco the Clown, I looked for it when glancing at the adventure at my FLGS on Saturday and figured it was a dig at anyone who doesn't adore 5E and take the Mark of the Rainbow Dragon, but I was actually more miffed by Strongheart being declared a paladin who doesn't worship any god but draws power from the ideal that evil can be resisted by those with courage. Yes, if you want, you could read that as Strongheart being a Paladin of Social Justice Activism. ;)
Paladins and clerics not having a god has been a thing since 2e. A stupid, cheesy thing, but a thing nonetheless.
Quote from: Aglondir on October 11, 2021, 02:31:33 AMTHACO the Clown can't be Pundit, because he is not the final boss.
Amen and awomen!
Quote from: RPGPundit on October 11, 2021, 08:14:35 PMThaco the Clown isn't an attack on me. It's an attack on YOU. I'm just in their way.
It's not an attack on me. Attacks on me result in bad things.
The pipe clown is probably a direct dig at RPGPundit because they can't erase him from 5e's design consultancy until 50E arrives. Too many people have the early prints with his name in the credits and that grinds them.
However, the pipe clown is enough not-RPGPundit for the human garbage brigade to leap up and down "laughing" that anyone would see a connection. So in the retard land of Twatter, it's a "win-win"
I truly hope this is WotC's direction for their products. It will do wonders for segregating the hobby further. "D&D for theater kids" deserves its own utopia far far away from the rest of us.
Assuming you're a regular gamer who likes D&D as it has largely been through most of its history, it absolutely IS an attack on you, Spinachat.
And the Human Garbage Brigade has already gleefully proclaimed that the clown absolutely is me on Twitter. Both to try to do WoTC's bidding in attacking the most effective and important OSR figure standing in their way, and to try to fool regular gamers into thinking it isn't also an attack on them.
Make no mistake: this is Crawford, Perkins et al saying to ALL regular gamers "we have always despised you, and now we think that we don't need you anymore".
Quote from: RPGPundit on October 12, 2021, 03:17:16 PM
Assuming you're a regular gamer who likes D&D as it has largely been through most of its history, it absolutely IS an attack on you, Spinachat.
And the Human Garbage Brigade has already gleefully proclaimed that the clown absolutely is me on Twitter. Both to try to do WoTC's bidding in attacking the most effective and important OSR figure standing in their way, and to try to fool regular gamers into thinking it isn't also an attack on them.
Make no mistake: this is Crawford, Perkins et al saying to ALL regular gamers "we have always despised you, and now we think that we don't need you anymore".
Well, they probably dont. I think D&D, if it can have just *one* decent movie made, will no longer need anyone who ever played it, much like Marvel. I have to think they already rake in cash from miniatures (which though useful for D&D I am sure have other people buying them) and video game licensing. I could be wrong there, but I see them as trying to push to an area where their IP is much more important than the game on the table, and they hope to have a massive run of movies and the like and can pretty much forget completely about any fans who built anything.
That is fine with me. Crawford lost me a good long time ago, and he certainly feels he doesnt need me, and the reality is, I do not need him or his version of the game. Between the internet and legions of people inspired by that game, there will always be RPGs to play, and a whole bunch of them might just take up sticking to making games and not having a bone to pick.
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Quote from: RPGPundit on October 12, 2021, 03:17:16 PM
Assuming you're a regular gamer who likes D&D as it has largely been through most of its history, it absolutely IS an attack on you, Spinachat.
And the Human Garbage Brigade has already gleefully proclaimed that the clown absolutely is me on Twitter. Both to try to do WoTC's bidding in attacking the most effective and important OSR figure standing in their way, and to try to fool regular gamers into thinking it isn't also an attack on them.
Make no mistake: this is Crawford, Perkins et al saying to ALL regular gamers "we have always despised you, and now we think that we don't need you anymore".
Well, they probably dont. I think D&D, if it can have just *one* decent movie made, will no longer need anyone who ever played it, much like Marvel. I have to think they already rake in cash from miniatures (which though useful for D&D I am sure have other people buying them) and video game licensing. I could be wrong there, but I see them as trying to push to an area where their IP is much more important than the game on the table, and they hope to have a massive run of movies and the like and can pretty much forget completely about any fans who built anything.
That is fine with me. Crawford lost me a good long time ago, and he certainly feels he doesnt need me, and the reality is, I do not need him or his version of the game. Between the internet and legions of people inspired by that game, there will always be RPGs to play, and a whole bunch of them might just take up sticking to making games and not having a bone to pick.
That is a mighty big 'if' to hang their hopes on though.
Come on guys. People that dont like stupid DnD names are not real old school people anyway.
If anything they really should have call it 0CAHT the Clown
The worst thing about this is how insipid and useless it is as adventure content. How fun it will be to meet an NPC who says as little as possible and whom none of the other NPCs know anything about. Reminds me of the "neither running nor tarrying, not joking or singing" bandits from the Forest Oracle.
Quote from: Libramarian on October 12, 2021, 05:58:09 PM
The worst thing about this is how insipid and useless it is as adventure content. How fun it will be to meet an NPC who says as little as possible and whom none of the other NPCs know anything about. Reminds me of the "neither running nor tarrying, not joking or singing" bandits from the Forest Oracle.
He's truly not important to the adventure except in the context that he has an ongoing feud with another more important NPC (Burly). The PCs stand a pretty decent chance of allying with Burly and coming up with a plan with him, and Thaco is one potential hitch in that plan.
I hope THAC0 is weak to anyone without an alignment, anyone with a battle wheelchair, or anyone with x card or properly filled out player safety document or to a properly constructed cosplay freakshit.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 10, 2021, 03:23:49 PM
I would like to know how the fuck can any Grognard "gatekeep" any "kid" from playing 5e?
Keeping kids from playing 5e is easy. All you need to do is not run D&D for your children or their friends. Break the chain. Make sure your kids don't have any nostalgic memories of Dungeons & Dragons that can be exploited by woke corporations.
Quote from: hedgehobbit on October 12, 2021, 06:34:02 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 10, 2021, 03:23:49 PM
I would like to know how the fuck can any Grognard "gatekeep" any "kid" from playing 5e?
Keeping kids from playing 5e is easy. All you need to do is not run D&D for your children or their friends. Break the chain. Make sure your kids don't have any nostalgic memories of Dungeons & Dragons that can be exploited by woke corporations.
But you know that they by "kid" mean a twentysomething, and by gatekeeping they mean the magic power off by criticizing/moking a corporate product to stop said "kid" from becoming a paypig to the corporation.
My boy is 20 years old, he was schooled by me on principles and character, he's not part of the perpetually offended on someone else's behalf and he doesn't play TTRPGs :(
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Quote from: oggsmash on October 12, 2021, 03:26:35 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on October 12, 2021, 03:17:16 PM
Assuming you're a regular gamer who likes D&D as it has largely been through most of its history, it absolutely IS an attack on you, Spinachat.
And the Human Garbage Brigade has already gleefully proclaimed that the clown absolutely is me on Twitter. Both to try to do WoTC's bidding in attacking the most effective and important OSR figure standing in their way, and to try to fool regular gamers into thinking it isn't also an attack on them.
Make no mistake: this is Crawford, Perkins et al saying to ALL regular gamers "we have always despised you, and now we think that we don't need you anymore".
Well, they probably dont. I think D&D, if it can have just *one* decent movie made, will no longer need anyone who ever played it, much like Marvel. I have to think they already rake in cash from miniatures (which though useful for D&D I am sure have other people buying them) and video game licensing. I could be wrong there, but I see them as trying to push to an area where their IP is much more important than the game on the table, and they hope to have a massive run of movies and the like and can pretty much forget completely about any fans who built anything.
That is fine with me. Crawford lost me a good long time ago, and he certainly feels he doesnt need me, and the reality is, I do not need him or his version of the game. Between the internet and legions of people inspired by that game, there will always be RPGs to play, and a whole bunch of them might just take up sticking to making games and not having a bone to pick.
That is a mighty big 'if' to hang their hopes on though.
Yes it is.
Quote from: Mistwell on October 10, 2021, 11:28:53 AM
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9) THAC0 cannot stand children and think's they're like roaches.
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Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 11, 2021, 01:20:07 PM
Quote from: Banjo Destructo on October 11, 2021, 01:11:01 PM
Speaking of clowns, at least WoTC hasn't adopted Kinko the kid loving clown as their mascot... yet.
Plubicly, because the judges for MtG was infested with Kinko imitators... If you know what I mean.
Given WotC's public actions towards those who pointed out all the Kinko imitators at MtG events.
I'm rather glad that THACO the Clown/
Traditional Gamers, are shown to not be overly fond of children...
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9) THAC0 cannot stand children and think's they're like roaches.
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Quote from: Banjo Destructo on October 11, 2021, 01:11:01 PM
Speaking of clowns, at least WoTC hasn't adopted Kinko the kid loving clown as their mascot... yet.
Plubicly, because the judges for MtG was infested with Kinko imitators... If you know what I mean.
Given WotC's public actions towards those who pointed out all the Kinko imitators at MtG events.
I'm rather glad that THACO the Clown/Traditional Gamers, are shown to not be overly fond of children...
WotC sure didn't like those pointing the Kinko imitators, they made sure to let us all know by banning them from all and any official events and lying about them.
Reminds me of the picture of Elminster in the 3E book for Forgotten Realms. Maybe this is Elminster in disguise. Maybe they are going to redo FR for 5.5?
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9) THAC0 cannot stand children and think's they're like roaches.
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Quote from: Banjo Destructo on October 11, 2021, 01:11:01 PM
Speaking of clowns, at least WoTC hasn't adopted Kinko the kid loving clown as their mascot... yet.
Plubicly, because the judges for MtG was infested with Kinko imitators... If you know what I mean.
Given WotC's public actions towards those who pointed out all the Kinko imitators at MtG events.
I'm rather glad that THACO the Clown/Traditional Gamers, are shown to not be overly fond of children...
WotC sure didn't like those pointing the Kinko imitators, they made sure to let us all know by banning them from all and any official events and lying about them.
It seems that WotC doth protest too much...(https://i.imgflip.com/227gx1.jpg)
Edited for clarity of target.
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9) THAC0 cannot stand children and think's they're like roaches.
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Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 11, 2021, 01:20:07 PM
Quote from: Banjo Destructo on October 11, 2021, 01:11:01 PM
Speaking of clowns, at least WoTC hasn't adopted Kinko the kid loving clown as their mascot... yet.
Plubicly, because the judges for MtG was infested with Kinko imitators... If you know what I mean.
Given WotC's public actions towards those who pointed out all the Kinko imitators at MtG events.
I'm rather glad that THACO the Clown/Traditional Gamers, are shown to not be overly fond of children...
WotC sure didn't like those pointing the Kinko imitators, they made sure to let us all know by banning them from all and any official events and lying about them.
It seems that someone doth protest too much...
(https://i.imgflip.com/227gx1.jpg)
Care to make it cristal clear what you're implying about me?
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9) THAC0 cannot stand children and think's they're like roaches.
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Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 11, 2021, 01:20:07 PM
Quote from: Banjo Destructo on October 11, 2021, 01:11:01 PM
Speaking of clowns, at least WoTC hasn't adopted Kinko the kid loving clown as their mascot... yet.
Plubicly, because the judges for MtG was infested with Kinko imitators... If you know what I mean.
Given WotC's public actions towards those who pointed out all the Kinko imitators at MtG events.
I'm rather glad that THACO the Clown/Traditional Gamers, are shown to not be overly fond of children...
WotC sure didn't like those pointing the Kinko imitators, they made sure to let us all know by banning them from all and any official events and lying about them.
Wasn't that the Quartering who also got banned from gencon for being punched.
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9) THAC0 cannot stand children and think's they're like roaches.
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Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 11, 2021, 01:20:07 PM
Quote from: Banjo Destructo on October 11, 2021, 01:11:01 PM
Speaking of clowns, at least WoTC hasn't adopted Kinko the kid loving clown as their mascot... yet.
Plubicly, because the judges for MtG was infested with Kinko imitators... If you know what I mean.
Given WotC's public actions towards those who pointed out all the Kinko imitators at MtG events.
I'm rather glad that THACO the Clown/Traditional Gamers, are shown to not be overly fond of children...
WotC sure didn't like those pointing the Kinko imitators, they made sure to let us all know by banning them from all and any official events and lying about them.
It seems that someone doth protest too much...
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Care to make it cristal clear what you're implying about me?
??? what !???
I was referring to WotCs treatment of the guy who pointed out the kinko imitators inMtG tournaments dude.
I thought that was evident from my bolding of text... I will edit to make that crystal clear!
Easy. Its there in a pathetic, but sadly effective, attempt at outrage marketing.
Put in some little dig at older players bound to get some to scream. And rake in the free advertising.
Pundit is one of WOTCs biggest advertisers for them.
Quote from: Omega on October 13, 2021, 07:28:24 AM
Easy. Its there in a pathetic, but sadly effective, attempt at outrage marketing.
Put in some little dig at older players bound to get some to scream. And rake in the free advertising.
Pundit is one of WOTCs biggest advertisers for them.
Sad but likely true. It's probably why they demonize him and push his buttons so much--"this jerk hates our stuff!" has become a real method of advertising in the current climate.
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on October 13, 2021, 08:12:37 AM
Quote from: Omega on October 13, 2021, 07:28:24 AM
Easy. Its there in a pathetic, but sadly effective, attempt at outrage marketing.
Put in some little dig at older players bound to get some to scream. And rake in the free advertising.
Pundit is one of WOTCs biggest advertisers for them.
Sad but likely true. It's probably why they demonize him and push his buttons so much--"this jerk hates our stuff!" has become a real method of advertising in the current climate.
Which is... odd. You'd think, what with D&D becoming more mainstream, they'd be able to ride on that and use those laurels. Why antagonize Pundit (and other old-school grognards) in such a clumsy high-school mean girl way?
Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 13, 2021, 09:10:28 AM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on October 13, 2021, 08:12:37 AM
Quote from: Omega on October 13, 2021, 07:28:24 AM
Easy. Its there in a pathetic, but sadly effective, attempt at outrage marketing.
Put in some little dig at older players bound to get some to scream. And rake in the free advertising.
Pundit is one of WOTCs biggest advertisers for them.
Sad but likely true. It's probably why they demonize him and push his buttons so much--"this jerk hates our stuff!" has become a real method of advertising in the current climate.
Which is... odd. You'd think, what with D&D becoming more mainstream, they'd be able to ride on that and use those laurels. Why antagonize Pundit (and other old-school grognards) in such a clumsy high-school mean girl way?
Because Crawford is literally a high school girl, and now that he feels he has a position of a sort, he feels he can be a mean one.
Quote from: oggsmash on October 13, 2021, 09:11:47 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 13, 2021, 09:10:28 AM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on October 13, 2021, 08:12:37 AM
Quote from: Omega on October 13, 2021, 07:28:24 AM
Easy. Its there in a pathetic, but sadly effective, attempt at outrage marketing.
Put in some little dig at older players bound to get some to scream. And rake in the free advertising.
Pundit is one of WOTCs biggest advertisers for them.
Sad but likely true. It's probably why they demonize him and push his buttons so much--"this jerk hates our stuff!" has become a real method of advertising in the current climate.
Which is... odd. You'd think, what with D&D becoming more mainstream, they'd be able to ride on that and use those laurels. Why antagonize Pundit (and other old-school grognards) in such a clumsy high-school mean girl way?
Because Crawford is literally a high school girl, and now that he feels he has a position of a sort, he feels he can be a mean one.
That was the conclusion I came to as well.
And it's so weird to watch. But I guess it makes sense, if you're a perpetually offended leftard.
Quote from: oggsmash on October 13, 2021, 09:11:47 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 13, 2021, 09:10:28 AM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on October 13, 2021, 08:12:37 AM
Quote from: Omega on October 13, 2021, 07:28:24 AM
Easy. Its there in a pathetic, but sadly effective, attempt at outrage marketing.
Put in some little dig at older players bound to get some to scream. And rake in the free advertising.
Pundit is one of WOTCs biggest advertisers for them.
Sad but likely true. It's probably why they demonize him and push his buttons so much--"this jerk hates our stuff!" has become a real method of advertising in the current climate.
Which is... odd. You'd think, what with D&D becoming more mainstream, they'd be able to ride on that and use those laurels. Why antagonize Pundit (and other old-school grognards) in such a clumsy high-school mean girl way?
Because Crawford is literally a high school girl, and now that he feels he has a position of a sort, he feels he can be a mean one.
Greetings!
*Laughing* So true, Oggsmash!! A fucking high school girl! So many of the people now at WOTC seem to be petty, shrill teenagers with mean-spirited attitudes.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Well I was pretty much on the fence in buying the new edition. Yet between edition fatigue, Wotc previews of it doing absolutely nothing to get my interest and now their true feelings about older gamers. Fuck them and their new edition. I have four different editions of D&D I really don't need another.
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Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 10, 2021, 03:23:49 PM
I would like to know how the fuck can any Grognard "gatekeep" any "kid" from playing 5e?
Keeping kids from playing 5e is easy. All you need to do is not run D&D for your children or their friends. Break the chain. Make sure your kids don't have any nostalgic memories of Dungeons & Dragons that can be exploited by woke corporations.
OR I can run 5e for my kid because I like 5e and like my kid and her friends enjoying it and don't have a political agenda for my role playing games.
People on this message board seem to care a lot more about politics than gaming it seems these days, and have also lost their sense of humor in taking their politics and gaming oh so seriously.
When Mistwelk side does it we can't comment because his side is above reproach on any and all levels.
We do the same and we get accused of "being too serious and lacking a sense of humour". I wonder if Wotc had made fun of someone in a wheelchair or made amtje worst gay stereotyped character in the same adventure if you and yours would be so forgiving.
Whatever we get it rules for me but not for thee.
Quote from: Mistwell on October 10, 2021, 11:28:53 AM
I am enjoying reading the newest WOTC 5e adventure, Wild Beyond the Witchlight, in preparation to run it for my 10 year old daughter and her friends. It's a particularly kid-friendly adventure which is fanciful and can be completed with no combat if the group prefers that route.
Have you run the adventure yet, Mistwell? If so, how did it go?
What are the non-combat challenges like? Are they more mystery, exploration, riddles, or other?
Quote from: Abraxus on October 13, 2021, 01:30:31 PM
When Mistwelk side does it we can't comment because his side is above reproach on any and all levels.
We do the same and we get accused of "being too serious and lacking a sense of humour".
Whatever we get it rules for me but not for thee.
I have him blocked, so I had to go back and look at his smarmy little comment.
It should be noted that despite his 'oh we should just play the games' line of apathy, the wokeists certainly aren't interested in playing the games (or making the movies, or etc, etc). They're out to reshape them in their preferred image.
Not all but most SJWs tend to be hypocrites in that if the other side complains or objects to something they don't like they like to make it do that side overreacts. Yet when they hate or dislike something it's the opposite. Hypocrisy at its finest.
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Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 10, 2021, 03:23:49 PM
I would like to know how the fuck can any Grognard "gatekeep" any "kid" from playing 5e?
Keeping kids from playing 5e is easy. All you need to do is not run D&D for your children or their friends. Break the chain. Make sure your kids don't have any nostalgic memories of Dungeons & Dragons that can be exploited by woke corporations.
OR I can run 5e for my kid because I like 5e and like my kid and her friends enjoying it and don't have a political agenda for my role playing games.
People on this message board seem to care a lot more about politics than gaming it seems these days, and have also lost their sense of humor in taking their politics and gaming oh so seriously.
You can take politics seriously, or they will take you seriously. I guess if I agreed with all the political shifting these days I would be a lot more laid back about it. As for taking games seriously, well, I have literally a hundred different games. So I can simply choose to play the ones who decided either they do not hate me, or are smart enough to STFU about it. I have a feeling there are definitely some messages a person such as yourself could see coming from game designers where you would not touch them with a 10 foot pole. The reality is, you just do not see those messages aimed at you in 5e, so its a nothing burger for you; if I were you I might feel the same. I am not, so I do not. Seems pretty simple a thing to grasp to me. So by all means, feel free to run all the games with a clown that looks like John Wayne Gasey you like.
Quote from: Mistwell on October 13, 2021, 01:22:37 PM
Quote from: hedgehobbit on October 12, 2021, 06:34:02 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 10, 2021, 03:23:49 PM
I would like to know how the fuck can any Grognard "gatekeep" any "kid" from playing 5e?
Keeping kids from playing 5e is easy. All you need to do is not run D&D for your children or their friends. Break the chain. Make sure your kids don't have any nostalgic memories of Dungeons & Dragons that can be exploited by woke corporations.
OR I can run 5e for my kid because I like 5e and like my kid and her friends enjoying it and don't have a political agenda for my role playing games.
People on this message board seem to care a lot more about politics than gaming it seems these days, and have also lost their sense of humor in taking their politics and gaming oh so seriously.
BASED and Gamer-Pilled. For real, this resonates with me so hard. Good on you, seriously.
Stay centered everyone, the extremes on either end of the political shit are the enemies, educating people about critical thinking and staying away from hazardous group-think is the important thing.
Quote from: Abraxus on October 13, 2021, 01:30:31 PM
When Mistwelk side does it we can't comment because his side is above reproach on any and all levels.
What "side" am I? I bought the adventure and read it (something you have not done) and look forward to running it for my 10 year old kid because it's right in line with what I think her and her friends will like. You think that's a side?
QuoteWe do the same and we get accused of "being too serious and lacking a sense of humour".
You ARE too serious and lacking in a sense of humor if you blow up "THACO the Clown" to be a personal attack all all older gamers. Yeah, that's exactly what that looks like.
Quote from: jhkim on October 13, 2021, 01:31:42 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on October 10, 2021, 11:28:53 AM
I am enjoying reading the newest WOTC 5e adventure, Wild Beyond the Witchlight, in preparation to run it for my 10 year old daughter and her friends. It's a particularly kid-friendly adventure which is fanciful and can be completed with no combat if the group prefers that route.
Have you run the adventure yet, Mistwell? If so, how did it go?
What are the non-combat challenges like? Are they more mystery, exploration, riddles, or other?
No I am still a few weeks out from running it. I'm going through and putting my notes all over it to flesh out sections I think need more, or replace stuff I think won't work as well as my own ideas.
They are all of the above that you named. First section is a magical carnival with a variety of booths, games, rides, etc.. Each has it's own challenges. For instance the Carousel is a riddle based challenge, the Dragonfly ride is a skill challenge, Gondola Swans is a social challenge, Hall of Illusions is a mystery, etc..
Quote from: oggsmash on October 13, 2021, 02:46:52 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on October 13, 2021, 01:22:37 PM
Quote from: hedgehobbit on October 12, 2021, 06:34:02 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 10, 2021, 03:23:49 PM
I would like to know how the fuck can any Grognard "gatekeep" any "kid" from playing 5e?
Keeping kids from playing 5e is easy. All you need to do is not run D&D for your children or their friends. Break the chain. Make sure your kids don't have any nostalgic memories of Dungeons & Dragons that can be exploited by woke corporations.
OR I can run 5e for my kid because I like 5e and like my kid and her friends enjoying it and don't have a political agenda for my role playing games.
People on this message board seem to care a lot more about politics than gaming it seems these days, and have also lost their sense of humor in taking their politics and gaming oh so seriously.
You can take politics seriously, or they will take you seriously.
No really, they won't. If you combine all D&D politics together, it's essentially all meaningless to my games. You guys make a huge deal about the tiniest little thing, but none of it ultimately means fuck-all for 99% of gamers in the world. And while it's always been that way to some extent (remember when the politics was replaced with Ron Edwards rants which were also meaningless to 99% of gamers?) it's gotten worse over the years. We went from a few politics threads to most of the board now being politics threads. Which has chased away many of the people who actually play RPGs and talked about the games they played, thus focusing the board on even more of the people who are here to rant about politics using the thin excuse of games, as a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy.
QuoteI guess if I agreed with all the political shifting these days I would be a lot more laid back about it. As for taking games seriously, well, I have literally a hundred different games.
But you talk about almost none of them lately. Why do you think that is? A few years ago you'd be talking about them a lot more here. Almost all you post about these days is the latest political outrage though. Even though you still have literally a hundred different games to talk about which are exactly the same as they were before.
QuoteSo I can simply choose to play the ones who decided either they do not hate me, or are smart enough to STFU about it. I have a feeling there are definitely some messages a person such as yourself could see coming from game designers where you would not touch them with a 10 foot pole. The reality is, you just do not see those messages aimed at you in 5e, so its a nothing burger for you; if I were you I might feel the same. I am not, so I do not. Seems pretty simple a thing to grasp to me. So by all means, feel free to run all the games with a clown that looks like John Wayne Gasey you like.
I don't CARE about "messages" subtly hidden in RPG material and I never did, beyond being mildly amused by some or mildly miffed I have to replace it. I just change whatever I want to change. Which I suspect is what you used to do with material you didn't care for in your games before you got caught up in the outrage loop. You used to focus more on the commonalities between gamers (and the differences between gamers and non-gamers) but all you do these days is focus on the differences between sub-groups of gamers and make sure everyone takes a side and gets upset at "the other" side of gamers.
"Guys if you don't want to spend your money or leisure time on a game that explicitly makes changes to proselytize a hateful ideology, and rather play other games, then you're being too political."
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Quote from: Zelen on October 13, 2021, 06:32:19 PM
"Guys if you don't want to spend your money or leisure time on a game that explicitly makes changes to proselytize a hateful ideology, and rather play other games, then you're being too political."
No, and that's bullshit. Nobody is telling you to play this game, at least not here. I was explaining why I am running it and why I don't the political stuff compelling for me and how the reactions to this clown look to me like people are taking their politics and gaming too seriously. But never have I or anyone else here suggested you should spend your money and time on something you're not interested in. Buy and play what you like. I just wish people would talk more about what they like and less about what they dislike.
Quote from: Mistwell on October 13, 2021, 01:22:37 PM
Quote from: hedgehobbit on October 12, 2021, 06:34:02 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 10, 2021, 03:23:49 PM
I would like to know how the fuck can any Grognard "gatekeep" any "kid" from playing 5e?
Keeping kids from playing 5e is easy. All you need to do is not run D&D for your children or their friends. Break the chain. Make sure your kids don't have any nostalgic memories of Dungeons & Dragons that can be exploited by woke corporations.
OR I can run 5e for my kid because I like 5e and like my kid and her friends enjoying it and don't have a political agenda for my role playing games.
People on this message board seem to care a lot more about politics than gaming it seems these days, and have also lost their sense of humor in taking their politics and gaming oh so seriously.
From a gaming perspective, there's far better games, settings, adventures, and sourcebooks to present to your kids than any of the 5e stuff, which is mostly mediocre corporate garbage. Almost any OSR product is better, certainly mine are better.
I mean, I get that as a parent you lose all perspective of coolness but giving them the megacorporation-approved product is like buying them the latest corporate faux boy-band record. You can do that, they'll probably like it because they've been programmed to, but if you wanted your child to be a real person and not an NPC, you'd introduce them to the Velvet Underground, or the Ramones, or the Smiths. Or hell, to Ustad Vilayat Khan, or Hamza El Din, or Vinicius de Moraes.
Quote from: oggsmash on October 13, 2021, 02:46:52 PM
As for taking games seriously, well, I have literally a hundred different games. So I can simply choose to play the ones who decided either they do not hate me, or are smart enough to STFU about it. I have a feeling there are definitely some messages a person such as yourself could see coming from game designers where you would not touch them with a 10 foot pole. The reality is, you just do not see those messages aimed at you in 5e, so its a nothing burger for you; if I were you I might feel the same. I am not, so I do not.
I don't speak for Mistwell, but speaking for myself, I don't have any such game designers. I don't go sifting through the messages of game designers to see what their politics are, or whether they like me or not -- because I don't care much about what I find.
I buy games based on whether the content seems like fun to me, not based on the politics of the author.
I realize that there are plenty of people on both the left and right who feel differently - but that doesn't mean that plenty of people like me don't exist.
Quote from: RPGPundit on October 13, 2021, 06:44:52 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on October 13, 2021, 01:22:37 PM
Quote from: hedgehobbit on October 12, 2021, 06:34:02 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 10, 2021, 03:23:49 PM
I would like to know how the fuck can any Grognard "gatekeep" any "kid" from playing 5e?
Keeping kids from playing 5e is easy. All you need to do is not run D&D for your children or their friends. Break the chain. Make sure your kids don't have any nostalgic memories of Dungeons & Dragons that can be exploited by woke corporations.
OR I can run 5e for my kid because I like 5e and like my kid and her friends enjoying it and don't have a political agenda for my role playing games.
People on this message board seem to care a lot more about politics than gaming it seems these days, and have also lost their sense of humor in taking their politics and gaming oh so seriously.
From a gaming perspective, there's far better games, settings, adventures, and sourcebooks to present to your kids than any of the 5e stuff, which is mostly mediocre corporate garbage. Almost any OSR product is better, certainly mine are better.
I mean, I get that as a parent you lose all perspective of coolness but giving them the megacorporation-approved product is like buying them the latest corporate faux boy-band record. You can do that, they'll probably like it because they've been programmed to, but if you wanted your child to be a real person and not an NPC, you'd introduce them to the Velvet Underground, or the Ramones, or the Smiths. Or hell, to Ustad Vilayat Khan, or Hamza El Din, or Vinicius de Moraes.
This material comes with great big fold out maps, and I was able to buy nice full color cards for each NPC which has nice artwork for each one, and there is a lot of support online from others who expand on the material, and I can easily access the material online through DND Beyond along with the hardcopies, and the combination just makes it so much easier to work with this material. I can spend my time prepping it to run it the way I like, rather than building out all that other drudgery shit.
I find it ironic though that someone just accused me of telling them to buy this stuff and run this stuff, which I didn't do and never implied in any way. And then I get replies like yours telling me to NOT buy the shit and run the shit that I already said I actually like and which works for me. And nobody will call you out on doing exactly what they accused me of doing which I never did. I suspect that irony will be lost in the agenda-pushing though. By liking something you guys don't like, that puts me on the wrong side of the message boards current themes - so anything goes, including in engaging in tactics which everyone had just agreed would be bad if I had been the one engaging in them.
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Quote from: oggsmash on October 13, 2021, 02:46:52 PM
As for taking games seriously, well, I have literally a hundred different games. So I can simply choose to play the ones who decided either they do not hate me, or are smart enough to STFU about it. I have a feeling there are definitely some messages a person such as yourself could see coming from game designers where you would not touch them with a 10 foot pole. The reality is, you just do not see those messages aimed at you in 5e, so its a nothing burger for you; if I were you I might feel the same. I am not, so I do not.
I don't speak for Mistwell, but speaking for myself, I don't have any such game designers. I don't go sifting through the messages of game designers to see what their politics are, or whether they like me or not -- because I don't care much about what I find.
I buy games based on whether the content seems like fun to me, not based on the politics of the author.
I realize that there are plenty of people on both the left and right who feel differently - but that doesn't mean that plenty of people like me don't exist.
I agree. I think most people don't even know who the game creators are. Literally I think most people playing D&D don't even know who Jeremy Crawford is and what he believes or doesn't believe about anything.
I've always separated the art from the artist. When people thought Zak S was evil, I still said I find Vornheim useful. When people say Pundit is evil, I still said I find some of his gaming perspectives helpful and would happily buy something like Arrows of Indra if I thought my players would enjoy that kind of setting. I don't agree with the politics of either Zak or Pundit, but all of that is irrelevant to whether or not I like the gaming stuff they put out. I have a ton of RPG material from people whose names I don't even know and have no idea what their politics might be. And for me at least that's the way it should be.
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9) THAC0 cannot stand children and think's they're like roaches.
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Speaking of clowns, at least WoTC hasn't adopted Kinko the kid loving clown as their mascot... yet.
Plubicly, because the judges for MtG was infested with Kinko imitators... If you know what I mean.
Given WotC's public actions towards those who pointed out all the Kinko imitators at MtG events.
I'm rather glad that THACO the Clown/Traditional Gamers, are shown to not be overly fond of children...
WotC sure didn't like those pointing the Kinko imitators, they made sure to let us all know by banning them from all and any official events and lying about them.
Wasn't that the Quartering who also got banned from gencon for being punched.
Yep and I hate them for making me speak in the defense of that fucking attention whore.
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9) THAC0 cannot stand children and think's they're like roaches.
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Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 11, 2021, 01:20:07 PM
Quote from: Banjo Destructo on October 11, 2021, 01:11:01 PM
Speaking of clowns, at least WoTC hasn't adopted Kinko the kid loving clown as their mascot... yet.
Plubicly, because the judges for MtG was infested with Kinko imitators... If you know what I mean.
Given WotC's public actions towards those who pointed out all the Kinko imitators at MtG events.
I'm rather glad that THACO the Clown/Traditional Gamers, are shown to not be overly fond of children...
WotC sure didn't like those pointing the Kinko imitators, they made sure to let us all know by banning them from all and any official events and lying about them.
It seems that someone doth protest too much...
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Care to make it cristal clear what you're implying about me?
??? what !???
I was referring to WotCs treatment of the guy who pointed out the kinko imitators inMtG tournaments dude.
I thought that was evident from my bolding of text... I will edit to make that crystal clear!
Sorry, my bad, at times the aspie symptoms get the better of me.
I notice Mistwell ignored it pretended to ignore part of my post.
Let me ask again if the adventure had an NPC stuck on a wheelchair and the character not only died they died because they could not get up the bunch of stairs would you still be promoting the product.
If the adventure had a gay character written with the worst stereotypes imaginable of gay culture again would you still like and promote the adventure and suddenly claim to not care about politics.
Or are you going to both be evasive and disingenuous and avoid answering both. Or claim to be the victim when it suits you.
Quote from: Abraxus on October 13, 2021, 08:37:32 PM
I notice Mistwell ignored it pretended to ignore part of my post.
Let me ask again if the adventure had an NPC stuck on a wheelchair and the character not only died they died because they could not get up the bunch of stairs would you still be promoting the product.
Sorry not intentional I had not seen that part of your post directed to me.
I don't view myself as "promoting" the product. I bought it to run for my kid and her friends in 5th grade because I think THEY will like it. I've never said or implied YOU'D like it or anyone else here would like it. It's a kid-friendly adventure and none of you are kids so I don't know where the impression came from that I am "promoting" this adventure to anyone here.
And no I don't think my kid and her friends would enjoy an adventure like the one you describe - particularly since one of her close friends is in a wheel chair and has almost died several times from her condition. But if YOU would enjoy that kind of adventure, have at it. Of course if it's such a minor part of the adventure I can just re-write it or cut it with ease and otherwise it's a good adventure then sure I'd at least consider it.
QuoteIf the adventure had a gay character written with the worst stereotypes imaginable of gay culture again would you still like and promote the adventure and suddenly claim to not care about politics.
If the rest of the adventure is worth my time I'd just cut or change that NPC. I don't analyze adventures based on that kind of stuff.
QuoteOr are you going to both be evasive and disingenuous and avoid answering both. Or claim to be the victim when it suits you.
Funny. You're the one claiming I am "promoting" an adventure by saying I like it. But I am the disingenuous one?
By the way I've said the adventure which came just before this one, Candlekeep, is a shitty book in my view. It has bad editing, critical stuff was left out of the book, and I find some of it to be a mess for how I play RPGs. That also had some politics talk surrounding it - but I don't care about that stuff. I care it's not a very good book for my purposes. I think this one is a good book though for my purposes. If it's not good for your purposes, OK then.
If I were Hasbro I'd fire everyone involved in this decision.
Pissing off a chunk of the D&D movie audience that they hope to leverage into a lifestyle or something? Ruining the actual game with SJW stuff is one thing but this sort of thing could taint the larger brand and only a fool would put up with that.
Quote from: Ruprecht on October 13, 2021, 08:51:22 PM
If I were Hasbro I'd fire everyone involved in this decision.
Pissing off a chunk of the D&D movie audience that they hope to leverage into a lifestyle or something? Ruining the actual game with SJW stuff is one thing but this sort of thing could taint the larger brand and only a fool would put up with that.
Seriously most people find this mildly amusing (in a dad joke sort of way) if they even know what THAC0 is at all. The people "upset" don't seem to be people who buy WOTC products these days anyway.
Quote from: Mistwell on October 13, 2021, 08:53:06 PM
Quote from: Ruprecht on October 13, 2021, 08:51:22 PM
If I were Hasbro I'd fire everyone involved in this decision.
Pissing off a chunk of the D&D movie audience that they hope to leverage into a lifestyle or something? Ruining the actual game with SJW stuff is one thing but this sort of thing could taint the larger brand and only a fool would put up with that.
Seriously most people find this mildly amusing (in a dad joke sort of way) if they even know what THAC0 is at all. The people "upset" don't seem to be people who buy WOTC products these days anyway.
So you missed the people in this same forum saying they will no longer buy anything from WotC?
Never mind that regaining customers is always a good idea if way harder than keeping them. Why piss on your consumer base? or a part of it?
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 13, 2021, 07:37:28 PM
Yep and I hate them for making me speak in the defense of that fucking attention whore.
"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all." --H.L. Mencken
Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 13, 2021, 09:14:45 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 13, 2021, 07:37:28 PM
Yep and I hate them for making me speak in the defense of that fucking attention whore.
"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all." --H.L. Mencken
Which is why I speak to deffend all who are targeted for censorship, never mind how much of a scumbag they are.
Doesn't mean I don't resent the utter scumbags that make me defend scumbags nor that I don't enjoy some schadenfreude when it's some procensorship scumbag turn to be cancelled.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 13, 2021, 09:27:06 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 13, 2021, 09:14:45 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 13, 2021, 07:37:28 PM
Yep and I hate them for making me speak in the defense of that fucking attention whore.
"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all." --H.L. Mencken
Which is why I speak to deffend all who are targeted for censorship, never mind how much of a scumbag they are.
Doesn't mean I don't resent the utter scumbags that make me defend scumbags nor that I don't enjoy some schadenfreude when it's some procensorship scumbag turn to be cancelled.
I understand completely :)
Bad faith post created "asking a question" to the community. Despite supposedly not caring about politics or wanting to fracture the community, op goes on to pick apart and inflame the responses, posting a dozen more times.
I cannot even be mad at the Mistwells or jhkims or HappyDaze trolls. What I cannot believe is how many of you haven't caught on.
Smarten the fuck up. If this was a genuine question, Mistwell would not have Stanley'd Pundit's video which discussing this same topic. There was never a question, only bait.
Quote from: FingerRod on October 13, 2021, 10:15:57 PM
Bad faith post created "asking a question" to the community.
No it wasn't. I was not sure if it was intended to poke fun at Pundit or not. I am still not "sure" but my instincts say yes, and Pundit's instincts also say yes, but some others here say no. But I said I found it mildly amusing. Not sure what you view as bad faith about that? To me it was not a political topic, though obviously others think it is and I said up front fair enough.
QuoteSmarten the fuck up. If this was a genuine question, Mistwell would not have Stanley'd Pundit's video which discussing this same topic. There was never a question, only bait.
Oh for fuck's sake you jackass I posted this BEFORE PUNDIT POSTED HIS VIDEO. He probably found out about this topic from this thread! It's not my fault you're this late to the topic that you didn't even realize we had been discussing it for at least a day if not two before Pundit even got to it.
Quote from: Mistwell on October 13, 2021, 10:26:59 PM
Quote from: FingerRod on October 13, 2021, 10:15:57 PM
Bad faith post created "asking a question" to the community.
No it wasn't. I was not sure if it was intended to poke fun at Pundit or not. I am still not "sure" but my instincts say yes, and Pundit's instincts also say yes, but some others here say no. But I said I found it mildly amusing. Not sure what you view as bad faith about that? To me it was not a political topic, though obviously others think it is and I said up front fair enough.
QuoteSmarten the fuck up. If this was a genuine question, Mistwell would not have Stanley'd Pundit's video which discussing this same topic. There was never a question, only bait.
Oh for fuck's sake you jackass I posted this BEFORE PUNDIT POSTED HIS VIDEO. He probably found out about this topic from this thread! It's not my fault you're this late to the topic that you didn't even realize we had been discussing it for at least a day if not two before Pundit even got to it.
So, let me this straight, you're shilling for the module but also not shilling for the module depending on who you ask?
LOL I love the internet, you're the Schrödinger's Shill!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 13, 2021, 10:36:23 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on October 13, 2021, 10:26:59 PM
Quote from: FingerRod on October 13, 2021, 10:15:57 PM
Bad faith post created "asking a question" to the community.
No it wasn't. I was not sure if it was intended to poke fun at Pundit or not. I am still not "sure" but my instincts say yes, and Pundit's instincts also say yes, but some others here say no. But I said I found it mildly amusing. Not sure what you view as bad faith about that? To me it was not a political topic, though obviously others think it is and I said up front fair enough.
QuoteSmarten the fuck up. If this was a genuine question, Mistwell would not have Stanley'd Pundit's video which discussing this same topic. There was never a question, only bait.
Oh for fuck's sake you jackass I posted this BEFORE PUNDIT POSTED HIS VIDEO. He probably found out about this topic from this thread! It's not my fault you're this late to the topic that you didn't even realize we had been discussing it for at least a day if not two before Pundit even got to it.
So, let me this straight, you're shilling for the module but also not shilling for the module depending on who you ask?
LOL I love the internet, you're the Schrödinger's Shill!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I would love to know how "I like this adventure for my kid and her friends" is shilling for it? How does that promote it to you, who is not a kid? It's funny, you don't accuse anyone of "shilling" for anything else they say they like around here. It's only "shilling" when you don't like the product.
Quote from: Mistwell on October 13, 2021, 10:44:32 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 13, 2021, 10:36:23 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on October 13, 2021, 10:26:59 PM
Quote from: FingerRod on October 13, 2021, 10:15:57 PM
Bad faith post created "asking a question" to the community.
No it wasn't. I was not sure if it was intended to poke fun at Pundit or not. I am still not "sure" but my instincts say yes, and Pundit's instincts also say yes, but some others here say no. But I said I found it mildly amusing. Not sure what you view as bad faith about that? To me it was not a political topic, though obviously others think it is and I said up front fair enough.
QuoteSmarten the fuck up. If this was a genuine question, Mistwell would not have Stanley'd Pundit's video which discussing this same topic. There was never a question, only bait.
Oh for fuck's sake you jackass I posted this BEFORE PUNDIT POSTED HIS VIDEO. He probably found out about this topic from this thread! It's not my fault you're this late to the topic that you didn't even realize we had been discussing it for at least a day if not two before Pundit even got to it.
So, let me this straight, you're shilling for the module but also not shilling for the module depending on who you ask?
LOL I love the internet, you're the Schrödinger's Shill!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I would love to know how "I like this adventure for my kid and her friends" is shilling for it? How does that promote it to you, who is not a kid? It's funny, you don't accuse anyone of "shilling" for anything else they say they like around here. It's only "shilling" when you don't like the product.
I would like to know exactly where I SAID you were shilling?
Fuck me, are you an aspie too? either you share that with me or you need to chill out and improve your reading skills.
Quote from: Mistwell on October 13, 2021, 10:26:59 PM
Quote from: FingerRod on October 13, 2021, 10:15:57 PM
Bad faith post created "asking a question" to the community.
No it wasn't. I was not sure if it was intended to poke fun at Pundit or not. I am still not "sure" but my instincts say yes, and Pundit's instincts also say yes, but some others here say no. But I said I found it mildly amusing. Not sure what you view as bad faith about that? To me it was not a political topic, though obviously others think it is and I said up front fair enough.
QuoteSmarten the fuck up. If this was a genuine question, Mistwell would not have Stanley'd Pundit's video which discussing this same topic. There was never a question, only bait.
Oh for fuck's sake you jackass I posted this BEFORE PUNDIT POSTED HIS VIDEO. He probably found out about this topic from this thread! It's not my fault you're this late to the topic that you didn't even realize we had been discussing it for at least a day if not two before Pundit even got to it.
I am well aware of when posts were made, but if this were really a "question" whether it was two days before or minutes minutes apart, you would not have been so dismissive to his post/opinion. Just a day before you were just asking the same question right?
No, not right. There was never a question, only flame bait. It is dripping throughout your entire first post.
You have dedicated thousands of posts and literal days of your time being a feckless troll. Good use of time.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 13, 2021, 10:59:20 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on October 13, 2021, 10:44:32 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 13, 2021, 10:36:23 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on October 13, 2021, 10:26:59 PM
Quote from: FingerRod on October 13, 2021, 10:15:57 PM
Bad faith post created "asking a question" to the community.
No it wasn't. I was not sure if it was intended to poke fun at Pundit or not. I am still not "sure" but my instincts say yes, and Pundit's instincts also say yes, but some others here say no. But I said I found it mildly amusing. Not sure what you view as bad faith about that? To me it was not a political topic, though obviously others think it is and I said up front fair enough.
QuoteSmarten the fuck up. If this was a genuine question, Mistwell would not have Stanley'd Pundit's video which discussing this same topic. There was never a question, only bait.
Oh for fuck's sake you jackass I posted this BEFORE PUNDIT POSTED HIS VIDEO. He probably found out about this topic from this thread! It's not my fault you're this late to the topic that you didn't even realize we had been discussing it for at least a day if not two before Pundit even got to it.
So, let me this straight, you're shilling for the module but also not shilling for the module depending on who you ask?
LOL I love the internet, you're the Schrödinger's Shill!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I would love to know how "I like this adventure for my kid and her friends" is shilling for it? How does that promote it to you, who is not a kid? It's funny, you don't accuse anyone of "shilling" for anything else they say they like around here. It's only "shilling" when you don't like the product.
I would like to know exactly where I SAID you were shilling?
Fuck me, are you an aspie too? either you share that with me or you need to chill out and improve your reading skills.
How can, "you're the Schrödinger's Shill!" be read as you saying anything other than you think I am sometimes shilling for it?
Quote from: Mistwell on October 13, 2021, 11:11:52 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 13, 2021, 10:59:20 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on October 13, 2021, 10:44:32 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 13, 2021, 10:36:23 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on October 13, 2021, 10:26:59 PM
Quote from: FingerRod on October 13, 2021, 10:15:57 PM
Bad faith post created "asking a question" to the community.
No it wasn't. I was not sure if it was intended to poke fun at Pundit or not. I am still not "sure" but my instincts say yes, and Pundit's instincts also say yes, but some others here say no. But I said I found it mildly amusing. Not sure what you view as bad faith about that? To me it was not a political topic, though obviously others think it is and I said up front fair enough.
QuoteSmarten the fuck up. If this was a genuine question, Mistwell would not have Stanley'd Pundit's video which discussing this same topic. There was never a question, only bait.
Oh for fuck's sake you jackass I posted this BEFORE PUNDIT POSTED HIS VIDEO. He probably found out about this topic from this thread! It's not my fault you're this late to the topic that you didn't even realize we had been discussing it for at least a day if not two before Pundit even got to it.
So, let me this straight, you're shilling for the module but also not shilling for the module depending on who you ask?
LOL I love the internet, you're the Schrödinger's Shill!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I would love to know how "I like this adventure for my kid and her friends" is shilling for it? How does that promote it to you, who is not a kid? It's funny, you don't accuse anyone of "shilling" for anything else they say they like around here. It's only "shilling" when you don't like the product.
I would like to know exactly where I SAID you were shilling?
Fuck me, are you an aspie too? either you share that with me or you need to chill out and improve your reading skills.
How can, "you're the Schrödinger's Shill!" be read as you saying anything other than you think I am sometimes shilling for it?
Maybe by reading the sentence above and using everything in context?
Fuck me you're an imbecile incapable of aknowledging when he's wrong.
Quote from: FingerRod on October 13, 2021, 11:05:55 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on October 13, 2021, 10:26:59 PM
Quote from: FingerRod on October 13, 2021, 10:15:57 PM
Bad faith post created "asking a question" to the community.
No it wasn't. I was not sure if it was intended to poke fun at Pundit or not. I am still not "sure" but my instincts say yes, and Pundit's instincts also say yes, but some others here say no. But I said I found it mildly amusing. Not sure what you view as bad faith about that? To me it was not a political topic, though obviously others think it is and I said up front fair enough.
QuoteSmarten the fuck up. If this was a genuine question, Mistwell would not have Stanley'd Pundit's video which discussing this same topic. There was never a question, only bait.
Oh for fuck's sake you jackass I posted this BEFORE PUNDIT POSTED HIS VIDEO. He probably found out about this topic from this thread! It's not my fault you're this late to the topic that you didn't even realize we had been discussing it for at least a day if not two before Pundit even got to it.
I am well aware of when posts were made, but if this were really a "question" whether it was two days before or minutes minutes apart, you would not have been so dismissive to his post/opinion. Just a day before you were just asking the same question right?
I was not dismissive of his opinion this is about him. I was dismissive of his "OMG this is an attack on you because it attacks me!!!" I was never asking if an attack on Pundit is an attack on everyone who likes the OSR because it attacks Pundit.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 13, 2021, 11:15:58 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on October 13, 2021, 11:11:52 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 13, 2021, 10:59:20 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on October 13, 2021, 10:44:32 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 13, 2021, 10:36:23 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on October 13, 2021, 10:26:59 PM
Quote from: FingerRod on October 13, 2021, 10:15:57 PM
Bad faith post created "asking a question" to the community.
No it wasn't. I was not sure if it was intended to poke fun at Pundit or not. I am still not "sure" but my instincts say yes, and Pundit's instincts also say yes, but some others here say no. But I said I found it mildly amusing. Not sure what you view as bad faith about that? To me it was not a political topic, though obviously others think it is and I said up front fair enough.
QuoteSmarten the fuck up. If this was a genuine question, Mistwell would not have Stanley'd Pundit's video which discussing this same topic. There was never a question, only bait.
Oh for fuck's sake you jackass I posted this BEFORE PUNDIT POSTED HIS VIDEO. He probably found out about this topic from this thread! It's not my fault you're this late to the topic that you didn't even realize we had been discussing it for at least a day if not two before Pundit even got to it.
So, let me this straight, you're shilling for the module but also not shilling for the module depending on who you ask?
LOL I love the internet, you're the Schrödinger's Shill!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I would love to know how "I like this adventure for my kid and her friends" is shilling for it? How does that promote it to you, who is not a kid? It's funny, you don't accuse anyone of "shilling" for anything else they say they like around here. It's only "shilling" when you don't like the product.
I would like to know exactly where I SAID you were shilling?
Fuck me, are you an aspie too? either you share that with me or you need to chill out and improve your reading skills.
How can, "you're the Schrödinger's Shill!" be read as you saying anything other than you think I am sometimes shilling for it?
Maybe by reading the sentence above and using everything in context?
Fuck me you're an imbecile incapable of aknowledging when he's wrong.
The sentence before is, "So, let me this straight,
you're shilling for the module but also not shilling for the module
depending on who you ask?" Which, again, says I am shilling for it at least some of the time.
Again, how was I shilling for the adventure by saying I like it as an adventure for kids in a forum full of only adults? From what perspective is that shilling even some of the time?
Quote from: Mistwell on October 13, 2021, 11:20:33 PM
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Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 13, 2021, 10:59:20 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on October 13, 2021, 10:44:32 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 13, 2021, 10:36:23 PM
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Quote from: FingerRod on October 13, 2021, 10:15:57 PM
Bad faith post created "asking a question" to the community.
No it wasn't. I was not sure if it was intended to poke fun at Pundit or not. I am still not "sure" but my instincts say yes, and Pundit's instincts also say yes, but some others here say no. But I said I found it mildly amusing. Not sure what you view as bad faith about that? To me it was not a political topic, though obviously others think it is and I said up front fair enough.
QuoteSmarten the fuck up. If this was a genuine question, Mistwell would not have Stanley'd Pundit's video which discussing this same topic. There was never a question, only bait.
Oh for fuck's sake you jackass I posted this BEFORE PUNDIT POSTED HIS VIDEO. He probably found out about this topic from this thread! It's not my fault you're this late to the topic that you didn't even realize we had been discussing it for at least a day if not two before Pundit even got to it.
So, let me this straight, you're shilling for the module but also not shilling for the module depending on who you ask?
LOL I love the internet, you're the Schrödinger's Shill!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I would love to know how "I like this adventure for my kid and her friends" is shilling for it? How does that promote it to you, who is not a kid? It's funny, you don't accuse anyone of "shilling" for anything else they say they like around here. It's only "shilling" when you don't like the product.
I would like to know exactly where I SAID you were shilling?
Fuck me, are you an aspie too? either you share that with me or you need to chill out and improve your reading skills.
How can, "you're the Schrödinger's Shill!" be read as you saying anything other than you think I am sometimes shilling for it?
Maybe by reading the sentence above and using everything in context?
Fuck me you're an imbecile incapable of aknowledging when he's wrong.
The sentence before is, "So, let me this straight, you're shilling for the module but also not shilling for the module depending on who you ask?" Which, again, says I am shilling for it at least some of the time.
Again, how was I shilling for the adventure by saying I like it as an adventure for kids in a forum full of only adults? From what perspective is that shilling even some of the time?
Since you're really slow, let me explain this to you in a way you'll understand:
In the thread where you have been called a shill, have I ever done so? Hint the answer is no.
In this thread, when someone acusses you of the oposite I make a coment about depending on who you ask.
Now take your head out of your ass and think, I know it's hard for you but do try.
Let me make it easier for you: I'm making a joke and you, like the imbecile jackass that you are get butthurt about something I didn't say, EVER. And the line above should have made it very clear.
But I guess being smarter than arduin doesn't really mean much.
Now fuck off snowflake.
Quote from: Mistwell on October 13, 2021, 10:26:59 PM
Quote from: FingerRod on October 13, 2021, 10:15:57 PM
Bad faith post created "asking a question" to the community.
No it wasn't. I was not sure if it was intended to poke fun at Pundit or not. I am still not "sure" but my instincts say yes, and Pundit's instincts also say yes, but some others here say no. But I said I found it mildly amusing. Not sure what you view as bad faith about that? To me it was not a political topic, though obviously others think it is and I said up front fair enough.
QuoteSmarten the fuck up. If this was a genuine question, Mistwell would not have Stanley'd Pundit's video which discussing this same topic. There was never a question, only bait.
Oh for fuck's sake you jackass I posted this BEFORE PUNDIT POSTED HIS VIDEO. He probably found out about this topic from this thread! It's not my fault you're this late to the topic that you didn't even realize we had been discussing it for at least a day if not two before Pundit even got to it.
You did post this before I did my video, but I didn't find out about this from you. I found out when someone alerted me to the Enworld thread where they pointed out that the clown is an attempted parody of me.
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Quote from: Omega on October 13, 2021, 07:28:24 AM
Easy. Its there in a pathetic, but sadly effective, attempt at outrage marketing.
Put in some little dig at older players bound to get some to scream. And rake in the free advertising.
Pundit is one of WOTCs biggest advertisers for them.
Sad but likely true. It's probably why they demonize him and push his buttons so much--"this jerk hates our stuff!" has become a real method of advertising in the current climate.
Which is... odd. You'd think, what with D&D becoming more mainstream, they'd be able to ride on that and use those laurels. Why antagonize Pundit (and other old-school grognards) in such a clumsy high-school mean girl way?
Because marketing is exactly that. Clumsy and high-school mean. With all the sublty of a brick to the head. They believe, oft rightly, that the general customer base is cattle who are easy to manipulate and the ongoing outrage marketing fad says that you can easily get the cattle to look at your product by getting someone to raise hell. Free advertising at any cost.
And you can bet that if they thought they could get away with it theyd use shills to put out fake outrage.
Also with woke culture its being used to discredit opposition.
Say so and so is in a book or movie, play it up and get fans to scream. Then the product comes out and its either not there or its so buried or minor it effectively doesnt exist. The detractors and opposition now look like fools and liars.
WOTC and Disney for example have done this.
Hence any time a company makes some claim X product is oh-so woke and -inclusive- I wait to see if it really is because odds are its not how they are saying.
Quote from: Omega on October 13, 2021, 07:28:24 AM
Easy. Its there in a pathetic, but sadly effective, attempt at outrage marketing.
Put in some little dig at older players bound to get some to scream. And rake in the free advertising.
Pundit is one of WOTCs biggest advertisers for them.
I don't know about biggest, but I did buy Candlekeep Mysteries over what Pundit said here:
Quote from: RPGPundit on September 03, 2021, 04:35:00 PM
Quote from: jhkim on September 03, 2021, 10:47:20 AM
If Thompson got her original combat wheelchair added to official D&D, then yes, I would be wrong. Can you give a link or reference that the original combat wheelchair was added to official D&D?
The wheelchair is in Candlekeep, and EVERY dungeon for official D&D from Candlekeep onwards has been wheelchair-accessible. Also, every D&D product from candlekeep onward has featured the wheelchair in art.
I had been curious about his claim. Unfortunately, in this case it was false advertising, as I found no wheelchairs in Candlekeep Mysteries of any kind, nor were the dungeons wheelchair-accessible. The adventures are of mixed quality, but a number seem pretty interesting. I like the shorter format of adventures that make them easier to adapt into ongoing campaigns.
RPGPundit, why haven't you done a 5e version of Arrows of Indra?
Quote from: RPGPundit on October 12, 2021, 03:17:16 PMAssuming you're a regular gamer who likes D&D as it has largely been through most of its history, it absolutely IS an attack on you, Spinachat.
TSR D&D fans were kicked out of D&D in 2000. Instead of AD&D 3e (aka something akin to Castles & Crusades), we got something incompatible with the TSR editions and were shown the door LOOOOOONG before 4e came out. Once the OSR happened, the TSR fandom and new OSR fandom went their way.
I like 4e (not as D&D, but as a tactical fantasy RPG/board hybrid), but WotC's culture and business model tosses aside the previous edition fandom, so WotC shitting their own bed doesn't involve me anymore.
In fact, I want WotC to accelerate their crazy train.
Quote from: RPGPundit on October 12, 2021, 03:17:16 PMAnd the Human Garbage Brigade has already gleefully proclaimed that the clown absolutely is me on Twitter.
I agree (the pipe is the tell), but there's enough not-you in the depiction for the Twatterites to turn on a dime and be shocked that you imagine WotC ever thinks about you.
Quote from: RPGPundit on October 12, 2021, 03:17:16 PMMake no mistake: this is Crawford, Perkins et al saying to ALL regular gamers "we have always despised you, and now we think that we don't need you anymore".
It just mirrors the cultural fragmentation in the USA (and beyond). We have a resident in the White House who has this exact attitude for half the nation. There's no future where the culture is reunited, and our hobby is a microcosm of that.
GenCon and Kickstarter are one step away from openly declaring they only exist for those who adhere to doubleplus goodthink. Hopefully, WotC will become even more vocal about who is allowed to play their elf game.
I will give credit for Mistwell for answering my questions.
Though his attempts at seeming more rational and reasonable than the rest of us seems unconvincing imo. If Wotc had used my two examples he would not n this forum of course be screaming bloody murder from the rooftops elsewhere. How Wotc is homophobic and/ or ableist for including both elements and how Wotc and anyone and everyone associated with the project should be cancelled.
As usual though we are overreacting and the unreasonable ones.
Quote from: Shasarak on October 12, 2021, 05:37:29 PM
Come on guys. People that dont like stupid DnD names are not real old school people anyway.
If anything they really should have call it 0CAHT the Clown
This dude gets it. 8)
Quote from: Abraxus on October 13, 2021, 08:37:32 PM
Let me ask again if the adventure had an NPC stuck on a wheelchair and the character not only died they died because they could not get up the bunch of stairs would you still be promoting the product.
If the adventure had a gay character written with the worst stereotypes imaginable of gay culture again would you still like and promote the adventure and suddenly claim to not care about politics.
Quote from: Abraxus on October 14, 2021, 09:50:02 AM
I will give credit for Mistwell for answering my questions.
Though his attempts at seeming more rational and reasonable than the rest of us seems unconvincing imo. If Wotc had used my two examples he would not n this forum of course be screaming bloody murder from the rooftops elsewhere. How Wotc is homophobic and/ or ableist for including both elements and how Wotc and anyone and everyone associated with the project should be cancelled.
Why do you disbelieve him? Is it just because you think *everyone* is secretly this way? I think the vast majority of D&D players don't give a shit about political references in modules either way, and even if they care, they don't go screaming bloody murder on any Internet forums. They just play the game as a fun pastime.
Personally, I'm happy to discuss things here, but this is my only gaming discussion forum. I sometimes use Facebook for checking in with my personal friends and relatives, but I'm trying to reduce that out of dislike for Facebook. My other gaming discussions are with people I actually game with, and those are mostly about games we want to play.
And as an aside, the parallel to Thaco the Clown would be Esjay the Clown who guards the door, and refuses the PCs entry unless they are good - then makes outrageous demands for them to prove themselves being good, and denies them entry anyway. And no, I wouldn't particularly care about that.
As an aside about music,
Quote from: RPGPundit on October 13, 2021, 06:44:52 PM
I mean, I get that as a parent you lose all perspective of coolness but giving them the megacorporation-approved product is like buying them the latest corporate faux boy-band record. You can do that, they'll probably like it because they've been programmed to, but if you wanted your child to be a real person and not an NPC, you'd introduce them to the Velvet Underground, or the Ramones, or the Smiths. Or hell, to Ustad Vilayat Khan, or Hamza El Din, or Vinicius de Moraes.
The idea here is that if anyone likes stuff that's mainstream popular, then they're "programmed" and "NPCs". Which is bullshit. Some people genuinely like the music of corporate boy bands like the Monkees and KISS, or more modern equivalents like BTS. Overwhelmingly, the corporations are just trying to make money by making music that mainstream people like. It often sucks because it's derivative, but not always. I like a lot of the Monkees, for example. They're inferior to the Beatles, but that doesn't mean they aren't good. The same goes for other corporate bands. I've been enjoying some of Blackpink recently, say.
I introduced my son to lots of different music. He likes some of the older stuff I grew up with, but also modern trends like many mashups, electro swing, and some K-pop -- and after his introduction, I like some of that too.
Bringing this back to RPGs, we've tried and played a lot of older games - but we also enjoy 5E.
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I would like to know how the fuck can any Grognard "gatekeep" any "kid" from playing 5e?
Keeping kids from playing 5e is easy. All you need to do is not run D&D for your children or their friends. Break the chain. Make sure your kids don't have any nostalgic memories of Dungeons & Dragons that can be exploited by woke corporations.
OR I can run 5e for my kid because I like 5e and like my kid and her friends enjoying it and don't have a political agenda for my role playing games.
People on this message board seem to care a lot more about politics than gaming it seems these days, and have also lost their sense of humor in taking their politics and gaming oh so seriously.
You can take politics seriously, or they will take you seriously.
No really, they won't. If you combine all D&D politics together, it's essentially all meaningless to my games. You guys make a huge deal about the tiniest little thing, but none of it ultimately means fuck-all for 99% of gamers in the world. And while it's always been that way to some extent (remember when the politics was replaced with Ron Edwards rants which were also meaningless to 99% of gamers?) it's gotten worse over the years. We went from a few politics threads to most of the board now being politics threads. Which has chased away many of the people who actually play RPGs and talked about the games they played, thus focusing the board on even more of the people who are here to rant about politics using the thin excuse of games, as a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy.
QuoteI guess if I agreed with all the political shifting these days I would be a lot more laid back about it. As for taking games seriously, well, I have literally a hundred different games.
But you talk about almost none of them lately. Why do you think that is? A few years ago you'd be talking about them a lot more here. Almost all you post about these days is the latest political outrage though. Even though you still have literally a hundred different games to talk about which are exactly the same as they were before.
QuoteSo I can simply choose to play the ones who decided either they do not hate me, or are smart enough to STFU about it. I have a feeling there are definitely some messages a person such as yourself could see coming from game designers where you would not touch them with a 10 foot pole. The reality is, you just do not see those messages aimed at you in 5e, so its a nothing burger for you; if I were you I might feel the same. I am not, so I do not. Seems pretty simple a thing to grasp to me. So by all means, feel free to run all the games with a clown that looks like John Wayne Gasey you like.
I don't CARE about "messages" subtly hidden in RPG material and I never did, beyond being mildly amused by some or mildly miffed I have to replace it. I just change whatever I want to change. Which I suspect is what you used to do with material you didn't care for in your games before you got caught up in the outrage loop. You used to focus more on the commonalities between gamers (and the differences between gamers and non-gamers) but all you do these days is focus on the differences between sub-groups of gamers and make sure everyone takes a side and gets upset at "the other" side of gamers.
Cool story bro.
Do you think Pundit will "own it" and switch his avatar to the picture of THAC0 the Clown.
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 14, 2021, 03:59:45 PM
Do you think Pundit will "own it" and switch his avatar to the picture of THAC0 the Clown.
Well, I think the jon wayne gasey look (assuming that art posted is this THACO) is not one anyone should own.
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 14, 2021, 03:59:45 PM
Do you think Pundit will "own it" and switch his avatar to the picture of THAC0 the Clown.
I acknowledge what they did. I prefer to "Own" Wizards itself and all the SJWs that leaped in glee at Wizards officially telling every regular gamer that they're no longer wanted, and to fuck off from their products.
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Quote from: HappyDaze on October 14, 2021, 03:59:45 PM
Do you think Pundit will "own it" and switch his avatar to the picture of THAC0 the Clown.
I acknowledge what they did. I prefer to "Own" Wizards itself and all the SJWs that leaped in glee at Wizards officially telling every regular gamer that they're no longer wanted, and to fuck off from their products.
The sad part is that you're somewhat dependent on them for your outrage clicks. If you were to try going 6 months without mentioning any of their products, you'd probably lose ground. Your products would still carry-on but your brand would wither without the outrage. OTOH, they really don't have to care about you at all.
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Quote from: HappyDaze on October 14, 2021, 03:59:45 PM
Do you think Pundit will "own it" and switch his avatar to the picture of THAC0 the Clown.
I acknowledge what they did. I prefer to "Own" Wizards itself and all the SJWs that leaped in glee at Wizards officially telling every regular gamer that they're no longer wanted, and to fuck off from their products.
The sad part is that you're somewhat dependent on them for your outrage clicks. If you were to try going 6 months without mentioning any of their products, you'd probably lose ground. Your products would still carry-on but your brand would wither without the outrage. OTOH, they really don't have to care about you at all.
What else are "they" going to do?
???
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Quote from: HappyDaze on October 14, 2021, 03:59:45 PM
Do you think Pundit will "own it" and switch his avatar to the picture of THAC0 the Clown.
I acknowledge what they did. I prefer to "Own" Wizards itself and all the SJWs that leaped in glee at Wizards officially telling every regular gamer that they're no longer wanted, and to fuck off from their products.
The sad part is that you're somewhat dependent on them for your outrage clicks. If you were to try going 6 months without mentioning any of their products, you'd probably lose ground. Your products would still carry-on but your brand would wither without the outrage. OTOH, they really don't have to care about you at all.
There's no doubt that a big part of my fandom is based on my responding to WoTC's slide into woke stupidity, and to D&D SJWs' endless attacks on the hobby as well as me personally. I'd still be happy if they fucked off; and I would still be fine, just like I continued to prosper in those years between when the Forge collapsed and the SJWs picked up steam. Unfortunately, it's not likely they'll be stopping anytime soon.
Do they (WoTC and the SJWs) "have to care about me at all"? No idea, but it's very clear that they really really do.
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Quote from: HappyDaze on October 14, 2021, 03:59:45 PM
Do you think Pundit will "own it" and switch his avatar to the picture of THAC0 the Clown.
I acknowledge what they did. I prefer to "Own" Wizards itself and all the SJWs that leaped in glee at Wizards officially telling every regular gamer that they're no longer wanted, and to fuck off from their products.
The sad part is that you're somewhat dependent on them for your outrage clicks. If you were to try going 6 months without mentioning any of their products, you'd probably lose ground. Your products would still carry-on but your brand would wither without the outrage. OTOH, they really don't have to care about you at all.
There's no doubt that a big part of my fandom is based on my responding to WoTC's slide into woke stupidity, and to D&D SJWs' endless attacks on the hobby as well as me personally. I'd still be happy if they fucked off; and I would still be fine, just like I continued to prosper in those years between when the Forge collapsed and the SJWs picked up steam. Unfortunately, it's not likely they'll be stopping anytime soon.
Do they (WoTC and the SJWs) "have to care about me at all"? No idea, but it's very clear that they really really do.
Greetings!
Pundit, the Leftist shills and crybabies are always going to seek to minimize you, and scream and critique everything you say and do.
Keep up the good work! It is enjoyable and refreshing to have a public voice standing against the woke, Marxist bastards. You do excellent work, and your contributions are tireless, good-humoured, entertaining, thoughtful--and very, very necessary.
There are not *many* people in the hobby that have the courage and fortitude to take a stand against the woke SJW Marxists and all of their BS.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
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Quote from: HappyDaze on October 14, 2021, 03:59:45 PM
Do you think Pundit will "own it" and switch his avatar to the picture of THAC0 the Clown.
I acknowledge what they did. I prefer to "Own" Wizards itself and all the SJWs that leaped in glee at Wizards officially telling every regular gamer that they're no longer wanted, and to fuck off from their products.
The sad part is that you're somewhat dependent on them for your outrage clicks. If you were to try going 6 months without mentioning any of their products, you'd probably lose ground. Your products would still carry-on but your brand would wither without the outrage. OTOH, they really don't have to care about you at all.
I miss how it is sad. It seems like making the best of a situation he doesnt care for. You saying they dont have to care is also quite telling, because they sure seem to care quite a bit, which is to me, actually sad. The reasons those people care is the sad part. He attacks them because they do stuff he doesnt like, and reality is it is good business for him to air his views. They go after him because there is a good chance a whole bunch of them who are paid by WOTC make a good bit less money than he does, and it obviously burns their asses up. Honestly, I take it back, it is not sad. It is fucking hilarious all the way around.
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Quote from: HappyDaze on October 14, 2021, 03:59:45 PM
Do you think Pundit will "own it" and switch his avatar to the picture of THAC0 the Clown.
I acknowledge what they did. I prefer to "Own" Wizards itself and all the SJWs that leaped in glee at Wizards officially telling every regular gamer that they're no longer wanted, and to fuck off from their products.
The sad part is that you're somewhat dependent on them for your outrage clicks. If you were to try going 6 months without mentioning any of their products, you'd probably lose ground. Your products would still carry-on but your brand would wither without the outrage. OTOH, they really don't have to care about you at all.
I miss how it is sad. It seems like making the best of a situation he doesnt care for. You saying they dont have to care is also quite telling, because they sure seem to care quite a bit, which is to me, actually sad. The reasons those people care is the sad part. He attacks them because they do stuff he doesnt like, and reality is it is good business for him to air his views. They go after him because there is a good chance a whole bunch of them who are paid by WOTC make a good bit less money than he does, and it obviously burns their asses up. Honestly, I take it back, it is not sad. It is fucking hilarious all the way around.
Monetize your haters, sounds like a good strategy.
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Quote from: HappyDaze on October 14, 2021, 03:59:45 PM
Do you think Pundit will "own it" and switch his avatar to the picture of THAC0 the Clown.
I acknowledge what they did. I prefer to "Own" Wizards itself and all the SJWs that leaped in glee at Wizards officially telling every regular gamer that they're no longer wanted, and to fuck off from their products.
The sad part is that you're somewhat dependent on them for your outrage clicks. If you were to try going 6 months without mentioning any of their products, you'd probably lose ground. Your products would still carry-on but your brand would wither without the outrage. OTOH, they really don't have to care about you at all.
I miss how it is sad. It seems like making the best of a situation he doesnt care for. You saying they dont have to care is also quite telling, because they sure seem to care quite a bit, which is to me, actually sad. The reasons those people care is the sad part. He attacks them because they do stuff he doesnt like, and reality is it is good business for him to air his views. They go after him because there is a good chance a whole bunch of them who are paid by WOTC make a good bit less money than he does, and it obviously burns their asses up. Honestly, I take it back, it is not sad. It is fucking hilarious all the way around.
Monetize your haters, sounds like a good strategy.
Haters are a renewable energy source.
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Quote from: HappyDaze on October 14, 2021, 03:59:45 PM
Do you think Pundit will "own it" and switch his avatar to the picture of THAC0 the Clown.
I acknowledge what they did. I prefer to "Own" Wizards itself and all the SJWs that leaped in glee at Wizards officially telling every regular gamer that they're no longer wanted, and to fuck off from their products.
The sad part is that you're somewhat dependent on them for your outrage clicks. If you were to try going 6 months without mentioning any of their products, you'd probably lose ground. Your products would still carry-on but your brand would wither without the outrage. OTOH, they really don't have to care about you at all.
I miss how it is sad. It seems like making the best of a situation he doesnt care for. You saying they dont have to care is also quite telling, because they sure seem to care quite a bit, which is to me, actually sad. The reasons those people care is the sad part. He attacks them because they do stuff he doesnt like, and reality is it is good business for him to air his views. They go after him because there is a good chance a whole bunch of them who are paid by WOTC make a good bit less money than he does, and it obviously burns their asses up. Honestly, I take it back, it is not sad. It is fucking hilarious all the way around.
Monetize your haters, sounds like a good strategy.
Haters are a renewable energy source.
And free, you also don't need to do/say anything to get that type of haters.
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Quote from: HappyDaze on October 14, 2021, 03:59:45 PM
Do you think Pundit will "own it" and switch his avatar to the picture of THAC0 the Clown.
I acknowledge what they did. I prefer to "Own" Wizards itself and all the SJWs that leaped in glee at Wizards officially telling every regular gamer that they're no longer wanted, and to fuck off from their products.
The sad part is that you're somewhat dependent on them for your outrage clicks. If you were to try going 6 months without mentioning any of their products, you'd probably lose ground. Your products would still carry-on but your brand would wither without the outrage. OTOH, they really don't have to care about you at all.
I miss how it is sad. It seems like making the best of a situation he doesnt care for. You saying they dont have to care is also quite telling, because they sure seem to care quite a bit, which is to me, actually sad. The reasons those people care is the sad part. He attacks them because they do stuff he doesnt like, and reality is it is good business for him to air his views. They go after him because there is a good chance a whole bunch of them who are paid by WOTC make a good bit less money than he does, and it obviously burns their asses up. Honestly, I take it back, it is not sad. It is fucking hilarious all the way around.
Monetize your haters, sounds like a good strategy.
Haters are a renewable energy source.
And free, you also don't need to do/say anything to get that type of haters.
As Tom Peterson* used to say: "FREE...is a very good price!"
*Charismatic local hawker of TVs and major appliances. Used to offer free haircuts at his stores. Later went bankrupt, transfered ownership to his wife, went bankrupt and transfered ownership to the kids....
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Do you think Pundit will "own it" and switch his avatar to the picture of THAC0 the Clown.
I acknowledge what they did. I prefer to "Own" Wizards itself and all the SJWs that leaped in glee at Wizards officially telling every regular gamer that they're no longer wanted, and to fuck off from their products.
The sad part is that you're somewhat dependent on them for your outrage clicks. If you were to try going 6 months without mentioning any of their products, you'd probably lose ground. Your products would still carry-on but your brand would wither without the outrage. OTOH, they really don't have to care about you at all.
I miss how it is sad. It seems like making the best of a situation he doesnt care for. You saying they dont have to care is also quite telling, because they sure seem to care quite a bit, which is to me, actually sad. The reasons those people care is the sad part. He attacks them because they do stuff he doesnt like, and reality is it is good business for him to air his views. They go after him because there is a good chance a whole bunch of them who are paid by WOTC make a good bit less money than he does, and it obviously burns their asses up. Honestly, I take it back, it is not sad. It is fucking hilarious all the way around.
Monetize your haters, sounds like a good strategy.
Haters are a renewable energy source.
And free, you also don't need to do/say anything to get that type of haters.
As Tom Peterson* used to say: "FREE...is a very good price!"
*Charismatic local hawker of TVs and major appliances. Used to offer free haircuts at his stores. Later went bankrupt, transfered ownership to his wife, went bankrupt and transfered ownership to the kids....
TANSTAAFL
It's not just a slogan in a sci-fi novel, it's a law of the universe.
Even Clownfish is getting into the act
Quote from: Spinachcat on October 14, 2021, 03:37:20 AM
TSR D&D fans were kicked out of D&D in 2000. Instead of AD&D 3e (aka something akin to Castles & Crusades), we got something incompatible with the TSR editions and were shown the door LOOOOOONG before 4e came out. Once the OSR happened, the TSR fandom and new OSR fandom went their way. ...
3e was a big step; but would a WotC version similar to C&C have had any different results in the long run?
Ascending AC would still have been a thing.
Morale and reaction rolls - C&C still dropped them. Which has had a big knock on effect on how combat is run in D&D.
And that is not even getting into all the reasons the 3e designers made D&D more self-referential with its lore.
Traditional fans were always going to be shown the door, if for no other reason that a different culture took over the helm of D&D.
IMHO - TSR would have to have been bought out by someone not WotC for there to be a different outcome to what we are seeing now.
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In fact, I want WotC to accelerate their crazy train.
...
I agree, it is juicy to watch... But I don't think that we'll get to see the really good stuff until after 2024...
Quote from: jhkim on October 14, 2021, 01:04:15 PM
... I think the vast majority of D&D players don't give a shit about political references in modules either way, ...
To a point...
they just want to play the game.Just like the...
Dr. Who fans that just wanted to see fun new adventures.
Star Wars Fans that just wanted to see fun new adventures.
Star Trek Fans that just wanted to see fun new adventures.
DC and marvel comic fans that just wanted to read fun new adventures.
And they
were willing to put up with a bit of SJW inclusions so long as the rest of the product delivered.
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...and even if they care, they don't go screaming bloody murder on any Internet forums. ...
I agree. They just vote with their feet and wallets...
Each of the above IP status have gone from golden geese, to no one really cares about that shit anymore. With the lowest viewership, reading, and fan interest numbers in their history. Why?
Because SJW's. That's why.
I know that it's hard to believe, but there is a point where even the 'Majority of fans' will walk away from an IP due to the increasing SJW nonsense.
We have seen the cycle play out in other 'geek' IP.
D&D is not immune to this.
Which is a good thing.
It will present an opportunity for someone else to step in and take their place.
Just judging by what me and my friends liked when we were in 5th grade this goo goo gaa gaa nu-D&D SJW bs is infantile and lame.
I think many adults forget that kids are smarter and more nuanced than they think.
SJWs are constantly LARPing as Disney Channel caricatures of highschool mean girls well into their 30s and beyond, these are damaged, mentally ill people and their artwork reflects that. I wouldn't subject any kid who I respected to this garbage.
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Just judging by what me and my friends liked when we were in 5th grade this goo goo gaa gaa nu-D&D SJW bs is infantile and lame.
I think many adults forget that kids are smarter and more nuanced than they think.
SJWs are constantly LARPing as Disney Channel caricatures of highschool mean girls well into their 30s and beyond, these are damaged, mentally ill people and their artwork reflects that. I wouldn't subject any kid who I respected to this garbage.
This, very much this.
Welcome to the site.
8 pages and no one has done it. Damn it, I suck at this but someone has to.
Pipe of Punditry
Simple, well-worn, unadorned pipe. Can be used normally. When the command word is spoken, fills with a random pipe weed of varying quality. While in use, the smoker can write, and even transcribe spells, at an accelerated pace. Usable up to 4 hours a day. Once per week they may also create a spell scroll of any spell known without using components in it's creation. But with each use, there is a 1 in 20 cumulative chance that the user will feel compelled to go to the nearest town square, tavern or other meeting place and spout off about local politics and the current ruling class or specific individuals. They may talk about what ever they want but it will always be what they truly believe, for good or for ill. Stories claim more than one major conflict as been linked to this pipe.
Someone, for the love of God, do better.
The main side effects of the pipe is a compulsion to relate what you are smoking and drinking and the pipe draws any animal companions into your work area where they tend to cause delays in the research.
Excellent!
Tim Kask, 2nd employee of TSR and editor of the original Dragon Magazine, gave WoTC two strong fingers this week. And I agree.
WotC seems so determined to destroy the TSR era ... it's become adversarial. Kask and a few others were there writing for TSR & Dragon & the WotC stafff seems to be going out of their way to vilify the original creators of D&D.
It's ugly. Like a FKD-UP divorce. The OSR went their own way and in reaction, WoTC attacked the OSR with the Twitterati. According to Twitter, the OSR is the vicious Bigfoot ripping helpless campers to pieces.
But 5e D&D is finally dwindling.
Now what WotC? You had Pundit and Zak help you with this last edition (wasn't Advantage ALL Pundit? Wasn't the more narrative background elements ALL Zach?)
What if WoTC had to create their own edition? Like ..... 4th?
Can you post a link to what Tom Kask said. I would be interested in reading/seeing it.
Quote from: Theory of Games on October 16, 2021, 08:34:18 PM
Tim Kask, 2nd employee of TSR and editor of the original Dragon Magazine, gave WoTC two strong fingers this week. And I agree.
WotC seems so determined to destroy the TSR era ... it's become adversarial. Kask and a few others were there writing for TSR & Dragon & the WotC stafff seems to be going out of their way to vilify the original creators of D&D.
It's ugly. Like a FKD-UP divorce. The OSR went their own way and in reaction, WoTC attacked the OSR with the Twitterati. According to Twitter, the OSR is the vicious Bigfoot ripping helpless campers to pieces.
But 5e D&D is finally dwindling.
Now what WotC? You had Pundit and Zak help you with this last edition (wasn't Advantage ALL Pundit? Wasn't the more narrative background elements ALL Zach?)
What if WoTC had to create their own edition? Like ..... 4th?
Advantage wasn't all me. I didn't come up with the concept. But at one point they weren't sure if they should even keep it, or if they should just use it in a very limited way, or only for advantage and not disadvantage, and mix it with a bunch of regular bonuses and penalties. I was the one who made clear that it was the defining rule of that edition, and they should use advantage and disadvantage for everything.
Quote from: Theory of Games on October 16, 2021, 08:34:18 PM
Tim Kask, 2nd employee of TSR and editor of the original Dragon Magazine, gave WoTC two strong fingers this week. And I agree.
WotC seems so determined to destroy the TSR era ... it's become adversarial. Kask and a few others were there writing for TSR & Dragon & the WotC stafff seems to be going out of their way to vilify the original creators of D&D.
It's ugly. Like a FKD-UP divorce. The OSR went their own way and in reaction, WoTC attacked the OSR with the Twitterati. According to Twitter, the OSR is the vicious Bigfoot ripping helpless campers to pieces.
But 5e D&D is finally dwindling.
Now what WotC? You had Pundit and Zak help you with this last edition (wasn't Advantage ALL Pundit? Wasn't the more narrative background elements ALL Zach?)
What if WoTC had to create their own edition? Like ..... 4th?
Because people of low ability
despise people of greater ability. And have a pathological need to prove that they aren't inferior, even when everything they produce simply proves what they are railing against even more strongly. See "Jeremy Crawford" for an example...
Quote from: Theory of Games on October 16, 2021, 08:34:18 PM
Tim Kask, 2nd employee of TSR and editor of the original Dragon Magazine, gave WoTC two strong fingers this week. And I agree.
WotC seems so determined to destroy the TSR era ... it's become adversarial. Kask and a few others were there writing for TSR & Dragon & the WotC stafff seems to be going out of their way to vilify the original creators of D&D.
It's ugly. Like a FKD-UP divorce. The OSR went their own way and in reaction, WoTC attacked the OSR with the Twitterati. According to Twitter, the OSR is the vicious Bigfoot ripping helpless campers to pieces.
But 5e D&D is finally dwindling.
Now what WotC? You had Pundit and Zak help you with this last edition (wasn't Advantage ALL Pundit? Wasn't the more narrative background elements ALL Zach?)
What if WoTC had to create their own edition? Like ..... 4th?
Worth noting that there were 6 consultants
besides Zak and Pundit. Jeff Grubb, Kenneth Hite, Kevin Kulp, Robin Laws, S. John Ross, and Vincent Venturella.
Quote from: Mind Crime on October 16, 2021, 02:12:25 PM
Pipe of Punditry
Post of Sycophancy
Quote from: Abraxus on October 16, 2021, 09:08:05 PM
Can you post a link to what Tom Kask said. I would be interested in reading/seeing it.
If it's this video, then I think it starts at around 1:50 or a bit later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXfloHKx0ag
Quote from: Tubesock Army on October 17, 2021, 02:39:14 PM
Quote from: Theory of Games on October 16, 2021, 08:34:18 PM
Tim Kask, 2nd employee of TSR and editor of the original Dragon Magazine, gave WoTC two strong fingers this week. And I agree.
WotC seems so determined to destroy the TSR era ... it's become adversarial. Kask and a few others were there writing for TSR & Dragon & the WotC stafff seems to be going out of their way to vilify the original creators of D&D.
It's ugly. Like a FKD-UP divorce. The OSR went their own way and in reaction, WoTC attacked the OSR with the Twitterati. According to Twitter, the OSR is the vicious Bigfoot ripping helpless campers to pieces.
But 5e D&D is finally dwindling.
Now what WotC? You had Pundit and Zak help you with this last edition (wasn't Advantage ALL Pundit? Wasn't the more narrative background elements ALL Zach?)
What if WoTC had to create their own edition? Like ..... 4th?
Worth noting that there were 6 consultants besides Zak and Pundit. Jeff Grubb, Kenneth Hite, Kevin Kulp, Robin Laws, S. John Ross, and Vincent Venturella.
As far as I know, of all 8 people on that list, I was the only one who exchanged about 400 emails over many months of work directly with Mike Mearls on various meticulous steps about how to make the new edition.
Quote from: RPGPundit on October 18, 2021, 03:54:43 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on October 17, 2021, 02:39:14 PM
Quote from: Theory of Games on October 16, 2021, 08:34:18 PM
Tim Kask, 2nd employee of TSR and editor of the original Dragon Magazine, gave WoTC two strong fingers this week. And I agree.
WotC seems so determined to destroy the TSR era ... it's become adversarial. Kask and a few others were there writing for TSR & Dragon & the WotC stafff seems to be going out of their way to vilify the original creators of D&D.
It's ugly. Like a FKD-UP divorce. The OSR went their own way and in reaction, WoTC attacked the OSR with the Twitterati. According to Twitter, the OSR is the vicious Bigfoot ripping helpless campers to pieces.
But 5e D&D is finally dwindling.
Now what WotC? You had Pundit and Zak help you with this last edition (wasn't Advantage ALL Pundit? Wasn't the more narrative background elements ALL Zach?)
What if WoTC had to create their own edition? Like ..... 4th?
Worth noting that there were 6 consultants besides Zak and Pundit. Jeff Grubb, Kenneth Hite, Kevin Kulp, Robin Laws, S. John Ross, and Vincent Venturella.
As far as I know, of all 8 people on that list, I was the only one who exchanged about 400 emails over many months of work directly with Mike Mearls on various meticulous steps about how to make the new edition.
"As far as [you] know" indeed. DId Mearls include you in his correspondences with the others, or are you just WAGing here?
Quote from: Godfather Punk on October 17, 2021, 02:59:23 PM
If it's this video, then I think it starts at around 1:50 or a bit later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXfloHKx0ag
Because it is unclear in the video - this is Kask's statement:
https://www.facebook.com/tim.kask.9/posts/4197049260404312
Quote from: Tim Kask throwing down like a Boss=topic=44069.msg1193392#msg1193392 date=1634430858
So, a new Ed. is coming in 2024. Good for them; I hope it sells jillions of copies.
D&D lives on, evolving. I am delighted.
I won't be buying or playing/running it. Let me explain myself....
I was a midwife to OD&D as well as 1st Ed. AD&D. That is what I still play as I have felt no need to "update", ever. I like what I have and am doing.
Look what the baby has grown into, look at how many people are playing.
Others have felt differently and WotC has fed the demand, not always well.
But it is still that baby I helped birth.
Now we are being accused of ridiculous charges: "______ race represents________ in a demeaning fashion." "______is really_____" and so on.
None of this is true.
I hated Literature classes that nit-picked books for "symbolism". How can we know that a certain author was hiding stuff in his writing that were "really____"?
Now the baying pack is attributing stuff, in the light of 50 years of societal changes, that distorts the truth. We simply mirrored the zeitgeist of the current fantasy market and past fantasy literature archives.
I make no apologies as I don't feel that my contributions to the creation of AD&D had any such hidden meanings that are now attributed to us by the woke crowd.**
**It has been pointed out that I have used a term now considered a pejorative. So, from now on instead of referring to folks as "w**e" I will simply refer to them as the "New Interpretationists" (NI's) or "Hidden Symbolism Where None Exists Mob". (HSWNEM's)
His comment section has some comedy gold as well... I swear some of these SJWs must routinely review comments from the old guard to see if they can find anything to cancel them over.
Kask seems like someone would be a great guest on inappropriate characters.
Quote from: RPGPundit on October 18, 2021, 03:54:43 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on October 17, 2021, 02:39:14 PM
Quote from: Theory of Games on October 16, 2021, 08:34:18 PM
Tim Kask, 2nd employee of TSR and editor of the original Dragon Magazine, gave WoTC two strong fingers this week. And I agree.
WotC seems so determined to destroy the TSR era ... it's become adversarial. Kask and a few others were there writing for TSR & Dragon & the WotC stafff seems to be going out of their way to vilify the original creators of D&D.
It's ugly. Like a FKD-UP divorce. The OSR went their own way and in reaction, WoTC attacked the OSR with the Twitterati. According to Twitter, the OSR is the vicious Bigfoot ripping helpless campers to pieces.
But 5e D&D is finally dwindling.
Now what WotC? You had Pundit and Zak help you with this last edition (wasn't Advantage ALL Pundit? Wasn't the more narrative background elements ALL Zach?)
What if WoTC had to create their own edition? Like ..... 4th?
Worth noting that there were 6 consultants besides Zak and Pundit. Jeff Grubb, Kenneth Hite, Kevin Kulp, Robin Laws, S. John Ross, and Vincent Venturella.
As far as I know, of all 8 people on that list, I was the only one who exchanged about 400 emails over many months of work directly with Mike Mearls on various meticulous steps about how to make the new edition.
Yeah, I'm sure the others just took the money and said, "Deuces", while you singlehandedly and heroically saved D&D from the storygaming swine. And then everyone stood up and clapped. Totally plausible story.
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 18, 2021, 04:16:46 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on October 18, 2021, 03:54:43 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on October 17, 2021, 02:39:14 PM
Quote from: Theory of Games on October 16, 2021, 08:34:18 PM
Tim Kask, 2nd employee of TSR and editor of the original Dragon Magazine, gave WoTC two strong fingers this week. And I agree.
WotC seems so determined to destroy the TSR era ... it's become adversarial. Kask and a few others were there writing for TSR & Dragon & the WotC stafff seems to be going out of their way to vilify the original creators of D&D.
It's ugly. Like a FKD-UP divorce. The OSR went their own way and in reaction, WoTC attacked the OSR with the Twitterati. According to Twitter, the OSR is the vicious Bigfoot ripping helpless campers to pieces.
But 5e D&D is finally dwindling.
Now what WotC? You had Pundit and Zak help you with this last edition (wasn't Advantage ALL Pundit? Wasn't the more narrative background elements ALL Zach?)
What if WoTC had to create their own edition? Like ..... 4th?
Worth noting that there were 6 consultants besides Zak and Pundit. Jeff Grubb, Kenneth Hite, Kevin Kulp, Robin Laws, S. John Ross, and Vincent Venturella.
As far as I know, of all 8 people on that list, I was the only one who exchanged about 400 emails over many months of work directly with Mike Mearls on various meticulous steps about how to make the new edition.
"As far as [you] know" indeed. DId Mearls include you in his correspondences with the others, or are you just WAGing here?
Given the length of our work together and how much influence it had on the product, it would stand to reason that if anyone else was making similar contributions Mike would have told me about what they were suggesting; he did on occasion mention someone else's ideas (not necessarily just other "consultants") so if one or more of them was doing the level of work on it I was that person would have to have been namedropped constantly.
The fact that this did not happen means that either Mike was not working with those other guys at the same level as me, unless he was just taking credit for their ideas I guess, though I don't think that's likely either.
Quote from: RPGPundit on October 20, 2021, 07:29:04 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 18, 2021, 04:16:46 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on October 18, 2021, 03:54:43 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on October 17, 2021, 02:39:14 PM
Quote from: Theory of Games on October 16, 2021, 08:34:18 PM
Tim Kask, 2nd employee of TSR and editor of the original Dragon Magazine, gave WoTC two strong fingers this week. And I agree.
WotC seems so determined to destroy the TSR era ... it's become adversarial. Kask and a few others were there writing for TSR & Dragon & the WotC stafff seems to be going out of their way to vilify the original creators of D&D.
It's ugly. Like a FKD-UP divorce. The OSR went their own way and in reaction, WoTC attacked the OSR with the Twitterati. According to Twitter, the OSR is the vicious Bigfoot ripping helpless campers to pieces.
But 5e D&D is finally dwindling.
Now what WotC? You had Pundit and Zak help you with this last edition (wasn't Advantage ALL Pundit? Wasn't the more narrative background elements ALL Zach?)
What if WoTC had to create their own edition? Like ..... 4th?
Worth noting that there were 6 consultants besides Zak and Pundit. Jeff Grubb, Kenneth Hite, Kevin Kulp, Robin Laws, S. John Ross, and Vincent Venturella.
As far as I know, of all 8 people on that list, I was the only one who exchanged about 400 emails over many months of work directly with Mike Mearls on various meticulous steps about how to make the new edition.
"As far as [you] know" indeed. DId Mearls include you in his correspondences with the others, or are you just WAGing here?
Given the length of our work together and how much influence it had on the product, it would stand to reason that if anyone else was making similar contributions Mike would have told me about what they were suggesting; he did on occasion mention someone else's ideas (not necessarily just other "consultants") so if one or more of them was doing the level of work on it I was that person would have to have been namedropped constantly.
The fact that this did not happen means that either Mike was not working with those other guys at the same level as me, unless he was just taking credit for their ideas I guess, though I don't think that's likely either.
I suppose we could reach out to the other consultants and ask them how much Mike mentioned working with you to them. It could be that Mike just kept his channels separate so that he could consider multiple points of view without them muddying one another. If that's the case, then only Mike could say for sure.
My goodness, Pundit, there's some folks in this thread really desperate to whitewash you out of 5E, aren't they?
Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 21, 2021, 08:09:32 AM
My goodness, Pundit, there's some folks in this thread really desperate to whitewash you out of 5E, aren't they?
If you're referring to me, it's not that I'm dismissing Pundit's contributions, instead I'm hesitant to accept that the other consultants didn't pull the same weight simply on his word.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 21, 2021, 08:09:32 AM
My goodness, Pundit, there's some folks in this thread really desperate to whitewash you out of 5E, aren't they?
Holy shit, you are dumb. No one is trying to whitewash Pundit out of anything. Pundit is the one saying the 7 other consultants did little or nothing in comparison to him. That's the attempted whitewashing you're looking for. But keep huffing Pundit's taint vapor, you sycophantic dweeb.
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 21, 2021, 08:21:24 AM
If you're referring to me, it's not that I'm dismissing Pundit's contributions, instead I'm hesitant to accept that the other consultants didn't pull the same weight simply on his word.
Exactly.
Quote from: Tubesock Army on October 21, 2021, 09:14:40 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 21, 2021, 08:09:32 AM
My goodness, Pundit, there's some folks in this thread really desperate to whitewash you out of 5E, aren't they?
Holy shit, you are dumb. No one is trying to whitewash Pundit out of anything. Pundit is the one saying the 7 other consultants did little or nothing in comparison to him. That's the attempted whitewashing you're looking for. But keep huffing Pundit's taint vapor, you sycophantic dweeb.
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 21, 2021, 08:21:24 AM
If you're referring to me, it's not that I'm dismissing Pundit's contributions, instead I'm hesitant to accept that the other consultants didn't pull the same weight simply on his word.
Exactly.
Buttblasted SJW detected 8)
ywnbaw cope and sneed 8)
Quote from: Gann on October 21, 2021, 04:10:35 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on October 21, 2021, 09:14:40 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 21, 2021, 08:09:32 AM
My goodness, Pundit, there's some folks in this thread really desperate to whitewash you out of 5E, aren't they?
Holy shit, you are dumb. No one is trying to whitewash Pundit out of anything. Pundit is the one saying the 7 other consultants did little or nothing in comparison to him. That's the attempted whitewashing you're looking for. But keep huffing Pundit's taint vapor, you sycophantic dweeb.
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 21, 2021, 08:21:24 AM
If you're referring to me, it's not that I'm dismissing Pundit's contributions, instead I'm hesitant to accept that the other consultants didn't pull the same weight simply on his word.
Exactly.
Buttblasted SJW detected 8)
ywnbaw cope and sneed 8)
Calm down, Grover Dill.
Quote from: Tubesock Army on October 21, 2021, 06:05:16 PM
Quote from: Gann on October 21, 2021, 04:10:35 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on October 21, 2021, 09:14:40 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 21, 2021, 08:09:32 AM
My goodness, Pundit, there's some folks in this thread really desperate to whitewash you out of 5E, aren't they?
Holy shit, you are dumb. No one is trying to whitewash Pundit out of anything. Pundit is the one saying the 7 other consultants did little or nothing in comparison to him. That's the attempted whitewashing you're looking for. But keep huffing Pundit's taint vapor, you sycophantic dweeb.
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 21, 2021, 08:21:24 AM
If you're referring to me, it's not that I'm dismissing Pundit's contributions, instead I'm hesitant to accept that the other consultants didn't pull the same weight simply on his word.
Exactly.
Buttblasted SJW detected 8)
ywnbaw cope and sneed 8)
Calm down, Grover Dill.
Dilate & le 54% urself troon 8)
Quote from: Gann on October 21, 2021, 06:12:45 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on October 21, 2021, 06:05:16 PM
Quote from: Gann on October 21, 2021, 04:10:35 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on October 21, 2021, 09:14:40 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 21, 2021, 08:09:32 AM
My goodness, Pundit, there's some folks in this thread really desperate to whitewash you out of 5E, aren't they?
Holy shit, you are dumb. No one is trying to whitewash Pundit out of anything. Pundit is the one saying the 7 other consultants did little or nothing in comparison to him. That's the attempted whitewashing you're looking for. But keep huffing Pundit's taint vapor, you sycophantic dweeb.
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 21, 2021, 08:21:24 AM
If you're referring to me, it's not that I'm dismissing Pundit's contributions, instead I'm hesitant to accept that the other consultants didn't pull the same weight simply on his word.
Exactly.
Buttblasted SJW detected 8)
ywnbaw cope and sneed 8)
Calm down, Grover Dill.
Dilate & le 54% urself troon 8)
Dunno what any of that means. Or half your last post, either. You having a stroke, or are you an ESL student?
Quote from: Tubesock Army on October 21, 2021, 06:13:54 PM
Dunno what any of that means. Or half your last post, either. You having a stroke, or are you an ESL student?
QuoteButtblasted SJW detected 8)
Angry leftwing radical spotted
Quoteywnbaw
You will never be a woman.
Quotecope and sneed 8)
The joke is that the place is called "Sneed's Feed & Seed" which is clever in itself and quite funny to those with a mature sense of humour but what's really just hilarious about it is that if you look closely at the front of this store, Sneed's Feed & Seed, you can see a line that reads "Formerly Chuck's". Now, this might go over the average viewer's head as this, THIS, is peak comedy. I doubt anything will ever be as funny as the joke about Sneed's Feed & Seed. Are you ready for this one? So, like I said, the place is called "Sneed's Feed & Seed" and this sign says "Formerly Chuck's", which means that when Chuck owned the place, well, I don't have to tell you...
QuoteDilate
Use a glass dildo for at least three hours daily to prevent your nu-vagina (an open wound that smells like a leaking colon) from healing shut
Quote& le 54% urself troon 8)
Do a flip 8)
Not sure what a "nu-vagina" is, but you seem to know an awful lot about them. Good for you, I guess? Still not making a lot of sense, so, uh, if you're experiencing a medical emergency, might I suggest that you hang up and dial 9-1-1?
Oh, and don't be such a tryhard.
Gann is obviously from 4chan, and thinks this board is a hive of SJWs. ::)
Quote from: Pat on October 21, 2021, 07:22:44 PM
Gann is obviously from 4chan, and thinks this board is a hive of SJWs. ::)
Well it is a hive of scum and villainy so an easy mistake to make.
Quote from: Tubesock Army on October 21, 2021, 07:09:54 PM
Not sure what a "nu-vagina" is, but you seem to know an awful lot about them. Good for you, I guess? Still not making a lot of sense, so, uh, if you're experiencing a medical emergency, might I suggest that you hang up and dial 9-1-1?
Oh, and don't be such a tryhard.
Never understood this logic. If you aren't going to try hard then why try at all?
Quote from: Gann on October 21, 2021, 08:18:44 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on October 21, 2021, 07:09:54 PM
Not sure what a "nu-vagina" is, but you seem to know an awful lot about them. Good for you, I guess? Still not making a lot of sense, so, uh, if you're experiencing a medical emergency, might I suggest that you hang up and dial 9-1-1?
Oh, and don't be such a tryhard.
Never understood this logic. If you aren't going to try hard then why try at all?
Greetings!
*Laughing* All the SJW's dilating themselves with glass dildoes rammed up their ass! Yeah, they love that!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: Gann on October 21, 2021, 08:18:44 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on October 21, 2021, 07:09:54 PM
Not sure what a "nu-vagina" is, but you seem to know an awful lot about them. Good for you, I guess? Still not making a lot of sense, so, uh, if you're experiencing a medical emergency, might I suggest that you hang up and dial 9-1-1?
Oh, and don't be such a tryhard.
Never understood this logic. If you aren't going to try hard then why try at all?
In some situations - and I don't expect you to understand this, either - if you have to try hard, you shouldn't bother. This is one of those situations.
Quote from: Gann on October 21, 2021, 06:43:27 PM
Use a glass dildo for at least three hours daily to prevent your nu-vagina (an open wound that smells like a leaking colon) from healing shut
Quote from: SHARK on October 21, 2021, 08:51:38 PM
*Laughing* All the SJW's dilating themselves with glass dildoes rammed up their ass! Yeah, they love that!
Nothing to see here, just a couple of totally normal and straight guys gleefully talking about dildos, apropos of nothing...
Gann, are you into New Zealand agriculture perchance?
Not gonna jump on you, just curious :)
First, please don't spam the thread with off-topic personal bickering. That applies to all of you.
Second, I'm not saying that the other consultants did "little or nothing", I strongly doubt any of them did "nothing", it wouldn't make sense for Wizards to pay them (even if it was less than I was paid) just to add a name there.
What I am saying is that I very much doubt that most of them engaged in a months-long exchange of hundreds and hundreds of often-lengthy emails on the subject. I'm sure all of them contributed in some way, possibly in areas I had less impact over. I was very much focused on the overall philosophy of the product and the core rules and mechanics.
Quote from: Jaeger on October 12, 2021, 07:42:11 PM
I'm rather glad that THACO the Clown/Traditional Gamers, are shown to not be overly fond of children...
Funny how they end up representing merit in their eagerness to defame.
Currently Smoking: Palmolive Ultra Sensorials.
I have no idea how much influence Pundit had on 5e. From reading some of his books....it looks like quite a bit. I would also say ANYONE who has ever worked anywhere with other people, or lived for a few years understand the pareto principle is a very real thing. I do not know how many consultants worked on the book, but I do think it would be 100 percent plausible that 20 percent of them were responsible for 80 percent of the project.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 10, 2021, 03:23:49 PM
I would like to know how the fuck can any Grognard "gatekeep" any "kid" from playing 5e?
Are there secret Gorgnard commandos going around and taking any "kid's" books away or something?
Grognard Commandos, the RPG.
Quote from: oggsmash on February 07, 2022, 11:49:23 AM
I have no idea how much influence Pundit had on 5e. From reading some of his books....it looks like quite a bit. I would also say ANYONE who has ever worked anywhere with other people, or lived for a few years understand the pareto principle is a very real thing. I do not know how many consultants worked on the book, but I do think it would be 100 percent plausible that 20 percent of them were responsible for 80 percent of the project.
I haven't heard of any other 5e consultant who had the level and amount of activity in his job as I did.
Quote from: jhkim on October 14, 2021, 03:03:03 AM
I had been curious about his claim. Unfortunately, in this case it was false advertising, as I found no wheelchairs in Candlekeep Mysteries of any kind, nor were the dungeons wheelchair-accessible. The adventures are of mixed quality, but a number seem pretty interesting. I like the shorter format of adventures that make them easier to adapt into ongoing campaigns.
Exactly. Candlekeep was was some of the worst handicapped baiting and outrage marketing of the lot so far. Its really disgusting.
But they played Pundit and others like puppets that danced perfectly to their tune. And once you read the book and see theres none of this stuff Pundit and others are bitching about. It makes them all look like buffoons on top of it all.
This was a win-win scenario for WOTC.
Quote from: jhkim on October 14, 2021, 01:19:24 PM
The idea here is that if anyone likes stuff that's mainstream popular, then they're "programmed" and "NPCs". Which is bullshit. Some people genuinely like the music of corporate boy bands like the Monkees and KISS, or more modern equivalents like BTS.
I think for some part of the problem isnt so much liking X, as that odds are that in liking X and listening to X a person may be turned to whatever agenda X has implanted in it. And the SJW brainwashing screed is very effective at this as it couches it as something positive and productive. When its anything but.
Of course the moral guardians and SJWs also use this same excuse to attack groups and interests with fake 'proof' of brainwashing. When in fact they are the ones doing the brainwashing.