So I wasn't in a position to pledge on this Kickstarter, but I see SUPERS! Revised Edition is out. Has anyone picked this up yet? How does it compares to the original? Strengths? Weaknesses? I rather liked the original rules.
http://www.rpgnow.com/product/130108/SUPERS-Revised-Edition (http://www.rpgnow.com/product/130108/SUPERS-Revised-Edition)
It's a big improvement. Added some new powers, revised others, nixed nerfed stuff like Tough Defense. Expanded Boosts/Complications, Advantages/Disadvantages. Some minor changes to the base mechanic that makes the game run better (imho)
Art is a huge improvement. I got the limited edition villain cover, as I felt the regular cover had way too many characters with the same color scheme on their costumes.
They fixed the problems with Armor Piercing, and cleaned up a lot of other things. Presentation is a LOT better. It runs pretty much the same, however (both strengths and weaknesses). I'm currently in the midst of a silver age campaign and find that one shotting is a real possibility with a big attack on the first go. I'd recommend using the dice cap rules, and never taking more than the highest 5d.
I don't have the original, so I only can say the current version is very sweet. I like what it does. Its mechanically robust, without getting too complicated.
It doesn't knock Icons or MSH off my "top superhero games not written by me.." but its very very good.
I stayed out of the development discussions on the old Supers! forum because I was nervous about what might be done to Simon's game. But I was thrilled when I got the new book and realized that clarification without complication had been achieved. Minions have been streamlined/simplified--one key change that hasn't been mentioned yet.
It looks cool.
how does the system work? does it scale well?
It's generally opposed dice rolls (your Energy Blast attack vs. your opponent's Armor power or Reaction resistance defense). High roll wins and does 1D in damage to one of your four resistances for every 6 points (I think) over the defense roll.
What's great about this relatively vanilla mechanic is that you can't use an attribute more than once in a round (unless you pay extra at chargen to boost the attribute). So if Hulk attacks Ultron with his Super Strength, he can't use it to defend against Ultron's response. But he can use any other attribute he has: his Fortitude defense (toughs it out), his Reaction defense (dodges the attack), his Regeneration power (heals from it immediately), his Fighting aptitude (throws Ultron off balance), etc. People have even talked about Tony Stark using his Wealth advantage as a defense pool. And you can defend as many times as you have attributes to use.
I'll let someone else address the scale issue, as I've only ever played with 20-25D starting characters, about the equivalent of your average X-Man.
We switched to Supers RED from Hero System in two separate campaigns and have been thrilled by the decision. It is tons more fun to run and play, and really has a fun flexibility and creativity about it that almost all other games we've played have lacked. The revised edition is a solid improvement, although the old edition has the "core" of the mechanics that make the game so much fun.
This is not a system for simulation or for munchkins. If you want intense mechanics to differentiate PCs, look elsewhere. It largely comes down to "my pile of d6s versus your pile of d6s", which works gloriously well in play.
You can use an ability/power/attribute to attack or defend with, but you can only use it once per round (except for Armor). So if Mr Smash with 5D in Super Strength tries to smash Ms. Speedy, she can leap out of the way by using Reaction to defend, or use Super Speed to run away, or if she's already done both this round, maybe she can use Super Leap to jump away or Athletics to tumble underneath Mr. Smash.
The system only lightly constrains powers. You can't use Armor to block a mental blast, or your Will to evade a thrown car. But you can use your Fire Blast to blow the car up before it hits you, or use Super Brain to calculate the trajectory of the car and be out it's path at the moment it is launched.
It is really a ton of fun for my group, because we love describing the scene and our actions in colorful ways. We hate "I swing my sword ... for 3 damage" and we also hate "I use X power modified by Y complication to do Z damage in Q situation" of effects-based systems that are more about limitations than enabling fun. Also, we don't like, "I push button A to activate power Z" a la D&D 4E.
Good stuff, really.
I just got a Hardcopy of it and started reading through it, it really looks nice and the chargen is really easy.
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Quote from: flyingcircus;773212I just got a Hardcopy of it and started reading through it, it really looks nice and the chargen is really easy.
*picture*
I ordered in a hardback copy of the limited villain cover edition. Look forward to getting it.
(Also, Army of Darkness RPG :cool:)
Okay... that sounds interesting enough for me to pick up a print copy. I'm IN.
Quote from: flyingcircus;773212I just got a Hardcopy of it and started reading through it, it really looks nice and the chargen is really easy.
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WOW! That book is in good company (and I am happy that we are on top!).
Thanks for all of the love and support, guys! We really appreciate everyone coming out and giving Supers! RED a look. We have big plans so please stay tuned.
Regards,
Walt
Howdy folks!
As one of the co-authors for SUPERS! Revised, I'm humbled by the positive responses to the game.
First praise should go to Simon Washbourne, of course, for designing such a solid core mechanic, but I'm glad (and relieved) to hear that the work that Rus and I did on the game preserved the goodness that was already there while adding some desired crunch and clarification.
Being a fan of the game well before I got the writing gig, I'm personally grateful for the wonderful work done by the Walt, Ade, Joe and DT in terms of art and design. I think their efforts have really elevated the game to a new level.
Anyway, thanks for all the support, and feel free to ask any questions, share any thoughts, or offer any feedback that you might have as you peruse the game.
All the best,
Dragonfly
Quote from: TGIDragonfly;774521Howdy folks!
As one of the co-authors for SUPERS! Revised, I'm humbled by the positive responses to the game.
First praise should go to Simon Washbourne, of course, for designing such a solid core mechanic, but I'm glad (and relieved) to hear that the work that Rus and I did on the game preserved the goodness that was already there while adding some desired crunch and clarification.
Being a fan of the game well before I got the writing gig, I'm personally grateful for the wonderful work done by the Walt, Ade, Joe and DT in terms of art and design. I think their efforts have really elevated the game to a new level.
Anyway, thanks for all the support, and feel free to ask any questions, share any thoughts, or offer any feedback that you might have as you peruse the game.
All the best,
Dragonfly
Thanks for stopping by! By the way, I sent you a PM, when you get a minute.
Mine arrived yesterday morning.
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I love the luchadors!
Quote from: TGIDragonfly;774521Howdy folks!
As one of the co-authors for SUPERS! Revised, I'm humbled by the positive responses to the game.
First praise should go to Simon Washbourne, of course, for designing such a solid core mechanic, but I'm glad (and relieved) to hear that the work that Rus and I did on the game preserved the goodness that was already there while adding some desired crunch and clarification.
Being a fan of the game well before I got the writing gig, I'm personally grateful for the wonderful work done by the Walt, Ade, Joe and DT in terms of art and design. I think their efforts have really elevated the game to a new level.
Anyway, thanks for all the support, and feel free to ask any questions, share any thoughts, or offer any feedback that you might have as you peruse the game.
All the best,
Dragonfly
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Quote from: 3rik;774614Mine arrived yesterday morning.
Care to share any thoughts on the physical copy or contents? I'm intrigued, but I'm also saving for Gen Con. :)
Quote from: 3rik;774614Mine arrived yesterday morning.
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That's a much better cover (imho) than the standard one. Not that it's terrible, but the villain cover just looks better to me
Quote from: Zachary The First;775004Care to share any thoughts on the physical copy or contents? I'm intrigued, but I'm also saving for Gen Con. :)
From what I've read so far I can only agree with everything positive that's been said in this thread.
Physically, it's print-on-demand so don't expect glossy thick paper, stitched binding and regular full-color print quality. Taking that into consideration, I think OneBookShelf usually delivers acceptable quality print copies. YMMV
Quote from: urbwar;775080That's a much better cover (imho) than the standard one. Not that it's terrible, but the villain cover just looks better to me
I thought so too. Alas, it's no longer available with this cover. The content is exactly the same as the regular edition, though, so no one is missing out on anything essential to the actual game.
Quote from: urbwar;775080That's a much better cover (imho) than the standard one. Not that it's terrible, but the villain cover just looks better to me
I did not see any way of ordering the Villain cover or I would have, that option was not available when I ordered......BTW, the other books underneath my SUPERS RED pic, besides Army of Darkness was BESM 3rd edition (the big red book there).
Quote from: flyingcircus;775184I did not see any way of ordering the Villain cover or I would have, that option was not available when I ordered......BTW, the other books underneath my SUPERS RED pic, besides Army of Darkness was BESM 3rd edition (the big red book there).
They had it available for about a week or so, with all proceeds going to the Wounded Warriors project. other than that, the only to get that cover is having pledged on the ks
Quote from: urbwar;775309They had it available for about a week or so, with all proceeds going to the Wounded Warriors project. other than that, the only to get that cover is having pledged on the ks
Bummer. I find the normal cover rather unattractive.
Is the big, bright guy in the middle sucking the color out of the surrounding heroes? I was waiting for the alt cover to become available to buy. Maybe they'll come up with a 3rd cover that is appealing.
Things are in the works...
Quote from: J.J.;776807Bummer. I find the normal cover rather unattractive. Is the big, bright guy in the middle sucking the color out of the surrounding heroes?
I was waiting for the alt cover to become available to buy. Maybe they'll come up with a 3rd cover that is appealing.
That would be cool. I mean I think the cover is just too dull. But, I guess that's what happens when you let Kicksterer people pick the costume/characters--at least, I think that's what happened.
Quote from: Silverlion;776966That would be cool. I mean I think the cover is just too dull. But, I guess that's what happens when you let Kicksterer people pick the costume/characters--at least, I think that's what happened.
Pretty much. I had considered pledging for that (My guy would've been in golden power armor), but ended up deciding against it
Quote from: urbwar;777006Pretty much. I had considered pledging for that (My guy would've been in golden power armor), but ended up deciding against it
If I could have pledged more..I'd probably had one of my more colorful heroes, possibly Photonstorm. I mean my favorite is in black and silver, so he'd be dark too but for a cover I'd have gone colorful.
Why are all the heroes (except that one guy) in gray? Not very 4-colored...
Quote from: danbuter;777124Why are all the heroes (except that one guy) in gray? Not very 4-colored...
All the characters on the cover were chosen by people who pledged to have their characters on the cover during the KS. When they submitted their characters, that's what the result was. One of the drawbacks of letting pledgers have characters submit characters for the cover of an rpg
Quote from: flyingcircus;773212I just got a Hardcopy of it and started reading through it, it really looks nice and the chargen is really easy.
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Where'd you buy? Haven't seen it anywhere.
It's here: http://www.rpgnow.com/product/130108/SUPERS-Revised-Edition
Quote from: danbuter;777276It's here: http://www.rpgnow.com/product/130108/SUPERS-Revised-Edition
Thanks for the link.
For those interested, in the Articles section of the site I just posted a rather lengthy interview with the SUPERS! and HAZARD Studio Crew. I think it's definitely worth checking out if you're interested in the game:
http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?p=780828 (http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?p=780828)
I'd like to buy a hardcopy of the game, 'cos I don't use pdfs at the gaming table and I think the game sounds great. Sure, I could print a pdf and bind it myself but that's not quite the same as having a 'real' book IMO. However if I'm buying a POD hardcopy, I think it can still be useful to have a pdf for creating handouts, or to skim through while waiting on the hardcopy to arrive. I've actually come to expect a complementary pdf when buying a POD hardcopy and, in my experience, this has become the industry standard; I could maybe stomach paying a slightly higher price for a pdf/POD bundle than for the hardcopy alone.
Trouble is, Supers RED doesn't have any discounts in the pricing structure. Buying a hardcopy + pdf bundle costs just the same as the two versions separately. As a rule of thumb for me, full price pdf + full price hardcopy = no purchase. :(
If there's no change, I suppose I'm hoping there'll be a sale at some point...
Quote from: Al Livingstone;780954Trouble is, Supers RED doesn't have any discounts in the pricing structure. Buying a hardcopy + pdf bundle costs just the same as the two versions separately. As a rule of thumb for me, full price pdf + full price hardcopy = no purchase. :(
If there's no change, I suppose I'm hoping there'll be a sale at some point...
Hrms, let me ask someone a question
Quote from: Al Livingstone;780954I'd like to buy a hardcopy of the game, 'cos I don't use pdfs at the gaming table and I think the game sounds great. Sure, I could print a pdf and bind it myself but that's not quite the same as having a 'real' book IMO. However if I'm buying a POD hardcopy, I think it can still be useful to have a pdf for creating handouts, or to skim through while waiting on the hardcopy to arrive. I've actually come to expect a complementary pdf when buying a POD hardcopy and, in my experience, this has become the industry standard; I could maybe stomach paying a slightly higher price for a pdf/POD bundle than for the hardcopy alone.
Trouble is, Supers RED doesn't have any discounts in the pricing structure. Buying a hardcopy + pdf bundle costs just the same as the two versions separately. As a rule of thumb for me, full price pdf + full price hardcopy = no purchase. :(
If there's no change, I suppose I'm hoping there'll be a sale at some point...
A sale sounds like a great idea. How about, starting this Friday, we put the PDF and the Prints together on sale for a week. Buy the Dead Tree Copy and get the digi-copy for free. We'll keep the sale going right through until the American Holiday.
Spread the word!
Upward and Onward!
Walt
Sounds good!
Quote from: kroh;781087A sale sounds like a great idea. How about, starting this Friday, we put the PDF and the Prints together on sale for a week. Buy the Dead Tree Copy and get the digi-copy for free. We'll keep the sale going right through until the American Holiday.
Spread the word!
Upward and Onward!
Walt
Uh, sold! :) Actually, I was planning on picking it up this weekend anyhow, so this is great timing!
Also, way to go on listening to potential customers! Great to see!
Is this sale on yet?
Quote from: brettmb;781940Is this sale on yet?
I think Walt said he would be putting it up later tonight. I'll check first thing in the morning.
EDIT: Yep!
Quote from: Zachary The First;782024I think Walt said he would be putting it up later tonight. I'll check first thing in the morning.
EDIT: Yep!
http://www.rpgnow.com/product/130108/SUPERS-Revised-Edition We be LIVE!
Quote from: kroh;782042http://www.rpgnow.com/product/130108/SUPERS-Revised-Edition We be LIVE!
Cool. Thanks. Just ordered.
Ordered.
Thanks folks!
Man, this is some good stuff so far. I'll have to do a recap or review, but I've noticed a few big positives so far:
-Some nice clean-up of some things that were lacking, and cleaning up the core resolution mechanic.
-It looks like damage/combat has been simplified a bit.
-Digging the Hazard rules. Going to make it very easy to create a bursting dam or tidal wave to challenge the heroes, too.
-Rules for assisting/teaming up with another super to perform an action.
-More Judge stuff overall on how to deal with smashing stuff, dying, etc.
-Vehicles and bases! Yes!
Looks really good so far. I probably won't get my print copy until another week or two, but it looks like a really nice job has been done with this. Building supers still looks as easy as the original edition, which is a big thumbs-up from me, too.
That was fast. I just got my print copy. Kind of disappointed as it's banged up pretty good with a dented top spine and outer corner. The character sheets are also partially cut off.
Quote from: brettmb;783070That was fast. I just got my print copy. Kind of disappointed as it's banged up pretty good with a dented top spine and outer corner. The character sheets are also partially cut off.
Ouch. I'd contact DTRPG and have them send out a replacement. That's damaged goods.
I just heard back from OBS - super fast service. Good customer service too. Looks like they're really on the ball these days.
Quote from: brettmb;783082I just heard back from OBS - super fast service. Good customer service too. Looks like they're really on the ball these days.
That's great to hear! I don't order too many print products from them--mainly pdf--but I'm glad to hear they're on it.
Got my hardcover over the weekend. Pages are a bit wavy from either the ink/paper or humidity around here, but aside from, looks really good. Glad I jumped on the print+pdf combo while I could.
Quote from: Zachary The First;784215Pages are a bit wavy from either the ink/paper or humidity around here.
That's common with OBS print-on-demand and nothing to worry about. The wavyness will disappear after a while.
Quote from: 3rik;784302That's common with OBS print-on-demand and nothing to worry about. The wavyness will disappear after a while.
Yeah, I've had a few others, and they've subsided over time. It's already better than it was. Good-looking book, regardless.