Quote from: VisionStorm on July 18, 2022, 08:59:44 PM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 18, 2022, 11:53:00 AM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 10, 2022, 10:55:54 AM
Is anyone talking about this anywhere else? I'm not seeing it discussed over on TBP, but they may be hiding the celebration in Tangency.

  It's taken a week, but someone is trying to rally the hordes to the SJG banner ... https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/a-time-to-rally.899681/

Even to the degree that this might send some money SJG's way look at the bright side: a bunch of TBP loons are wasting money on a game they don't like and will NEVER play or get anything useful out of just to try to "pwn" us for talking about it here (the OP makes allusions to this thread).

Knowing that I may have been instrumental in making a handful of idiots waste their money brings a certain degree of satisfaction to me.

They might need to think about saving that money for child support.

Talking about GURPS, a modern website design wouldn't hurt. I get the nostalgia, but the hobby remains fairly small compared to its digital counterpart. Hard to bring new players into the hobby when you're sporting a design from the early 2000s.

Funny how SJG's Illuminati card game would have gotten them politically crucified for endorsing the likes of #QAnon and Alex Jones had it been released in current year. How times have changed.

QuoteI'm worried. I mean, personally worried.

How worried is he?

QuoteAnd, because we are who we are, we're doing a T-shirt. Like the Ukraine shirt, it will be sold as a POD. All proceeds will go to the Lilith Fund. The shirt will feature Flower – she's our female face! – but it will not have Munchkin branding or a game rule. Details, like "how to buy it," will follow.

So worried he's making the t-shirt POD and doesn't want his most successful brand associated with it.

If anyone's curious, here's the design, and the #Tweet from SJG defending it, which shows just how clueless he is about how these things work in reality.

No wonder he wants to avoid associating the Munchkin name with it.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on July 08, 2022, 09:15:57 AM

Quotea woman's choices

SJG said "woman" rather than "birthing person" or "uterus owner." Can't wait until the woke call them out for "transphobia."

Probably not this round as he's currently useful to the cause, but the minute he makes a wrong move you better believe this will suddenly become relevant.

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 08, 2022, 09:54:16 AM

Quote from: S'mon on July 08, 2022, 06:21:58 AM

Quote from: Cathode Ray on July 08, 2022, 06:04:09 AM
They states that they'll donate profits to help murder children.  (Link to the "charity" http://www.lilithfund.org )

Lilith fund?!  ROTFLMAO! They should have just called it the Moloch fund.

Seriously, when I saw that I was like "Jesus, fuck! Could you be a little less on the nose about it than naming your fund after a demon who steals and kills babies?"

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 12, 2022, 09:25:08 AM
when Lilith is based on an earlier Mesopotamian demon (Lilitu) who was also a baby killing demon, so her status as a killer of babies goes way back to the dawn of civilization.

They just started saying it publicly in front of cameras.

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser on July 08, 2022, 10:41:52 AM
And given the tragic lack of active traditional religious folks in the hobby gaming scene these days, I can imagine them concluding that this wouldn't cost them many customers.

Now this is an interesting tangent for later.

Quote from: oggsmash on July 12, 2022, 05:49:21 AM
I look forward to the lefties "taking back" the titles of Satan and Asmodeus for their next names of their "freedom and social justice" organizations.

We did that awhile back 😉

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 18, 2022, 11:53:00 AM
It's taken a week, but someone is trying to rally the hordes to the SJG banner ... https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/a-time-to-rally.899681/

An actual dialog:

QuoteI would not put it past the texas government to suddenly pass a law specifically aimed at SJG.

QuoteWhat leads you to believe the Texas government would pass a law specifically targetting SJG?

QuoteThe Florida state government attack on Disneyland.

The 'attack' in question is a bill which abolishes all special districts like Disney World, thereby preventing them from effectively operating as a sovereign nation. So much for small government. And the idea any State can or would take similar actions against an RPG company out of spite is the height of paranoia and hubris.

Quote from: RPGPundit on July 13, 2022, 05:26:56 PM
I would need to be seriously convinced that he would be capable of controlling himself in RPG forum threads and not deviating off-topic.

If the many statements regarding Pat's value to this community hasn't convinced you to reduce the sentence, then nothing I say will. Then again this isn't a democracy, just another private fiefdom.

Quote from: KindaMeh on July 13, 2022, 07:26:19 PM
much though it pains me to say it, without Battlemaster in play he's probably a little less likely to have bait he's as likely to take.

I'm sure they'd be thrilled to find out their actions led to Pundit banning a significant member of the community. And if that was their intent, then Pundit played right into their hands.

  I have not seen widespread use of Satan and the like as leftie icons, I have seen edgelords toss it about who are extremely fringe....but then again I remember when protests were "Pro Choice" and no that mask is off to just be pro abortion, so I could have missed where open endorsement of a demonic force that likes to lead humanity to ruin is some sort of figure of admiration to lefties.

   SJG might have zero net effects on his business....which is still bad for GURPS, he could use some better marketing tools than losing his shit about the state he chose to live in his entire life (and it is not as if Texas JUST became some sort of conservative hive....)

This shit makes me legitimately angry. I like gurps, havnt found anything as flexible as gurps and now they've contracted terminal brain rot.

Quote from: Ocule on July 19, 2022, 10:13:29 AM
This shit makes me legitimately angry. I like gurps, havnt found anything as flexible as gurps and now they've contracted terminal brain rot.

It isn't that the text of the already published supplements now mutates and changes into something woke. I already have all I need if I want to run GURPS and I don't plan to run it anyway in the foreseeable future. If I will I'll have no problems.

And I don't fully agree with "running it = promoting it". True, you give the game more exposure but, once the players are warned about SJG's attitude it is up to their consciences if to buy it or not (should them like it). Some of them could flatly refuse to play it, putting me in the condition of choosing another system.

Quote from: Ocule on July 19, 2022, 10:13:29 AM
This shit makes me legitimately angry. I like gurps, havnt found anything as flexible as gurps and now they've contracted terminal brain rot.

  Well, hopefully you were like me and had a shitload of their stuff already making buying anything else a non issue.  Of course if you find yourself buying something anyway....well we shouldnt eat chocolate cake either, but it does taste good.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 18, 2022, 10:09:57 PM

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser on July 18, 2022, 01:28:30 PM

Quote from: Fergurg on July 18, 2022, 12:00:09 PM
If their income is used as their weapon, we must strike at their weapon.

I agree. But the correct way to do that is by not buying their products, not by stealing them.

Do not give money to people who hate you, this extends also into not promoting their stuff, which in the case of RPGs means not playing their stuff. So, why would I want to pirate their shit? And this comes from a Mexican, we're practically born with the black flag under an arm.

I find it odd that people who are so quick to call everything virtue signaling, are equally quick to exclaim those same people must hate you for disagreeing with the stuff that's being called virtue signaling. You're saying they don't actually believe the thing they're signaling, they just phone it in because they want to signal to others that they do. They so lack in passion about the topic that they have to fake it, but then they're so incredibly passionate about that same topic they work up hate for you for disagreeing?

I think the truth of the matter is they don't think much about you in general. Hate is way too much passion for them to be experiencing over you and your dissent. The entire statement is momentary and forgotten by them days later. You're not really important to them because they topic isn't really important to them. It's just a thing they do because they view it as helpful to accomplishing other real goals in their lives. Like making money, or dating, or ease of lifestyle, or whatever their goals are.

Nor will they meaningfully notice you not buying their stuff. An overwhelming majority of their consumers don't even know about any controversy. Of those who do know, an overwhelming majority of them won't change their buying habits over it. And among the tiny remainder from those, half will buy more and half will buy less and it will roughly even out. All of this is meaningless. The "Opinionated Gamer who is a real potential consumer for SJG and would actually change their buying habits over this" is a rounding error. This is all shouting into a void.

Quote from: Mistwell on July 19, 2022, 01:23:18 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 18, 2022, 10:09:57 PM

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser on July 18, 2022, 01:28:30 PM

Quote from: Fergurg on July 18, 2022, 12:00:09 PM
If their income is used as their weapon, we must strike at their weapon.

I agree. But the correct way to do that is by not buying their products, not by stealing them.

Do not give money to people who hate you, this extends also into not promoting their stuff, which in the case of RPGs means not playing their stuff. So, why would I want to pirate their shit? And this comes from a Mexican, we're practically born with the black flag under an arm.

I find it odd that people who are so quick to call everything virtue signaling, are equally quick to exclaim those same people must hate you for disagreeing with the stuff that's being called virtue signaling. You're saying they don't actually believe the thing they're signaling, they just phone it in because they want to signal to others that they do. They so lack in passion about the topic that they have to fake it, but then they're so incredibly passionate about that same topic they work up hate for you for disagreeing?

I think the truth of the matter is they don't think much about you in general. Hate is way too much passion for them to be experiencing over you and your dissent. The entire statement is momentary and forgotten by them days later. You're not really important to them because they topic isn't really important to them. It's just a thing they do because they view it as helpful to accomplishing other real goals in their lives. Like making money, or dating, or ease of lifestyle, or whatever their goals are.

Nor will they meaningfully notice you not buying their stuff. An overwhelming majority of their consumers don't even know about any controversy. Of those who do know, an overwhelming majority of them won't change their buying habits over it. And among the tiny remainder from those, half will buy more and half will buy less and it will roughly even out. All of this is meaningless. The "Opinionated Gamer who is a real potential consumer for SJG and would actually change their buying habits over this" is a rounding error. This is all shouting into a void.

  So?  I am not shouting, I am disappointed, and I wont be buying anything else.  If SJG never notices I really do not care, I do not have any hate for people who push out bullshit where they proclaim a hateful stance towards me.  I have indifference.  If they die, do well, do average I just do not give a shit.  But I also am not going to give them stuff.  I learned a long time ago, indifference hurts people with lots of feels a shitload more than hate, and the upside is I suffer no consequence from just forgetting about them.  You take a tone as if people deciding to boycott SJG are "becoming like the people they hate/dislike/disagree with" and I think you are in a way right.  However all they are doing is realizing they are in fact in a fight, and if you are in a fight step one is to realize you are in a fight and fight back.   People are simply fighting back and it seems to trigger folks when the people they use as a whipping boy decide the whippings have come to an end, and there might be a kick in the nuts incoming.

  As for shouting into a void, hitting a heavy bag, running a few miles, lifting some weights, popping out text on a forum, or whatever a person does to blow off some steam....well better to blow it off than bottle it up.  If it has absolute zero effect on anyone's bottom line....who cares?  The person doing it generally feels better and stress is released.  I would say if you let someone else get your blood pressure up, you need to reorient your life, but I do not think that is what is happening on this forum.  I think Pat might be one of the few I have seen take forum discussion super serial, and I think that was both his strength and a weakness.  IME Pat should be back on the forum.

Quote from: oggsmash on July 19, 2022, 01:55:32 PM
  As for shouting into a void, hitting a heavy bag, running a few miles, lifting some weights, popping out text on a forum, or whatever a person does to blow off some steam....well better to blow it off than bottle it up.  If it has absolute zero effect on anyone's bottom line....who cares?  The person doing it generally feels better and stress is released.  I would say if you let someone else get your blood pressure up, you need to reorient your life, but I do not think that is what is happening on this forum.  I think Pat might be one of the few I have seen take forum discussion super serial, and I think that was both his strength and a weakness.  IME Pat should be back on the forum.

Fair point. This IS the right place to express that disappointment, and those are good reasons for it. 

[And yes Pat should be back, and I've been mulling a long post at some point about that topic. Because that's a topic I actually do care about. The guy might dislike me, but I get a lot out of my conversations with him, and the conversations he has with others.]

Quote from: oggsmash on July 19, 2022, 09:45:52 AM
  I have not seen widespread use of Satan and the like as leftie icons

Saul Alinsky, violent radical leftist, dedicated his book Rules for Radicals to Satan.

QuoteSo?  I am not shouting, I am disappointed, and I wont be buying anything else.  If SJG never notices I really do not care, I do not have any hate for people who push out bullshit where they proclaim a hateful stance towards me.  I have indifference.  If they die, do well, do average I just do not give a shit.  But I also am not going to give them stuff.  I learned a long time ago, indifference hurts people with lots of feels a shitload more than hate, and the upside is I suffer no consequence from just forgetting about them.  You take a tone as if people deciding to boycott SJG are "becoming like the people they hate/dislike/disagree with" and I think you are in a way right.  However all they are doing is realizing they are in fact in a fight, and if you are in a fight step one is to realize you are in a fight and fight back.   People are simply fighting back and it seems to trigger folks when the people they use as a whipping boy decide the whippings have come to an end, and there might be a kick in the nuts incoming.

Exatly.  I'm disgusted by SJG's attack on basic human rights.  I won't support them.  But that's my personal decision.  Everyone has to make decisions like this for themselves.  I'll inform others of SJG so they can make their own decision.  I started this post so people can know what profits from your purchases pay for, and allow each individual to be able to make an informed choice.  It's like how Jesus put his Word out ther, invited people to follow him, but left it up to each person to decide what to do.

Quote from: Cathode Ray on July 19, 2022, 06:08:47 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on July 19, 2022, 09:45:52 AM
  I have not seen widespread use of Satan and the like as leftie icons

Saul Alinsky, violent radical leftist, dedicated his book Rules for Radicals to Satan.

  I know, and that is not widespread.   

This thread is starting to feel a little bit to political to be in the "RPG" section of the forum.

That is just my feeling or opinion.

People online and in this forum have often assumed me to be 'conservative' - but many of the posts I have read in this thread make me feel like a 'moderate' or middle of the road type.

- Ed C.