Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on July 08, 2022, 09:15:57 AM

Quotea woman's choices

SJG said "woman" rather than "birthing person" or "uterus owner." Can't wait until the woke call them out for "transphobia."

^^^^^This, exactly. It'll be interesting to see if the announcement will be edited sometime in the future. And I was just astounded that Stevey boy said as a white strait old man that he's afraid. Sigh.

Quote from: Chris24601 on July 08, 2022, 08:23:36 AM

Quote from: Reckall on July 08, 2022, 06:39:09 AM

Quote from: Cathode Ray on July 08, 2022, 06:04:09 AM
They states that they'll donate profits to help murder children.

Please, keep your political opinions in the appropriate forum. I understand that abortion is extremely divisive and I agree that it is not the job of an entertainment company to lecture on political matters, but for the very same reason this is not the right forum where to do the same.

You do realize that your country's laws on Abortion would have been called zealous Pro-Life legislation if enacted here today? I don't think you have the slightest clue what you're actually saying.

In Italy you're limited to the first 90 days (12.5 weeks) unless life of mother is at risk and medical professionals have the right to conscientiously object to performing abortions.

The Left in the United States has demanded to be able to rip babies limb from limb right up to the moment of birth for any whim. The Left has been pushing new legislation to allow them to murder children up to a month AFTER birth if they change their mind. They are also demanding that medical professionals be forced to perform procedures they find morally objectionable or lose their license to practice and want their murder of babies to be celebrated by one and all on pain of ejection from society.

No, that IS State-mandated infant sacrifice to the Leftists' god that Steve Jackson is screeching about... that instead of the court imposing this satanic practice across the country by the fiat of nine men in robes, that instead it must be decided by representatives of the people in each state. Representative Democracy instead of Authoritarian Fiat? Oh, the HORROR!!!

And THIS is the hill that Steve Jackson has chosen for his company to die upon. That six unelected dead white men (and one black man) had the right to impose morality on hundreds of millions. That coercive power should be used to force doctors and nurses to violate their consciences because seven men in robes said so. That babies in the middle of labor can be ripped to pieces, their skulls crushed and their brains vacuumed out because the mother decided she'd rather not have stretch marks because sevrn men in robes said so.

Well, fuck Steve Jackson and his company. No one was asking him to take a stand one way or the other. He could have kept his damnable mouth shut and alienated no one. Now he's doubled down on saying half the population (and a much larger majority who didn't want it banned but that common sense restrictions like those in Italy should be in place) shouldn't buy from him because he'll just use the proceeds to help fund what they find morally objectionable.

He and his company are the literal definition of Bright Red on the Woke Company List; idiots who use their politics to virtue signal their compliance to the Woke and actually make it immoral to support their company financially to a whole bunch of religious people (i.e. they are now providing material support to what my Church considers an intrinsically evil act).

I know they've lost at least four customers from this and it's a shame because my godkids really love Munchkin.

So would your church consider NOT killing a gay person to be an intrinsically evil act? After all, 'duh buybull sez...! '

Quote from: S'mon on July 08, 2022, 06:21:58 AM

Quote from: Cathode Ray on July 08, 2022, 06:04:09 AM
Today's announcement from Steve Jackson Games is full-steam partisan/activist/pro-abortion.  I don't care what side you fall on: pro-abortion, or the side that's on the right side of history.  Right to privacy?  Keep your extremism private.

Official word from Steve Jackson, alienating the majority of people.
http://www.sjgames.com/ill/archive/July_08_2022/Roe_v_Wade

They states that they'll donate profits to help murder children.  (Link to the "charity" http://www.lilithfund.org )

Lilith fund?!  ROTFLMAO! They should have just called it the Moloch fund.

Seriously, when I saw that I was like "Jesus, fuck! Could you be a little less on the nose about it than naming your fund after a demon who steals and kills babies?"

And I don't even care about the unborn, but I'm also not on the other extreme lunatic "let's just murder actual babies while we're at it" side of this issue. Like WTF?

And when you go to their website, their About section is like 80% about affirming intersectional nonsense rather than actually saying what they do for women, cuz they can't, since that would go against their "gender-inclusive" stance.

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 08, 2022, 09:54:16 AM

Quote from: S'mon on July 08, 2022, 06:21:58 AM

Quote from: Cathode Ray on July 08, 2022, 06:04:09 AM
Today's announcement from Steve Jackson Games is full-steam partisan/activist/pro-abortion.  I don't care what side you fall on: pro-abortion, or the side that's on the right side of history.  Right to privacy?  Keep your extremism private.

Official word from Steve Jackson, alienating the majority of people.
http://www.sjgames.com/ill/archive/July_08_2022/Roe_v_Wade

They states that they'll donate profits to help murder children.  (Link to the "charity" http://www.lilithfund.org )

Lilith fund?!  ROTFLMAO! They should have just called it the Moloch fund.

Seriously, when I saw that I was like "Jesus, fuck! Could you be a little less on the nose about it than naming your fund after a demon who steals and kills babies?"

And I don't even care about the unborn, but I'm also not on the other extreme lunatic "let's just murder actual babies while we're at it" side of this issue. Like WTF?

And when you go to their website, their About section is like 80% about affirming intersectional nonsense rather than actually saying what they do for women, cuz they can't, since that would go against their "gender-inclusive" stance.

They can't talk about what they want to do for women, because they don't know what women are. They're not biologists, after all

But yeah. Sorry, SJG, off to the red you go. Enjoy your virtue signaling.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 08, 2022, 09:57:44 AM

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 08, 2022, 09:54:16 AM

Quote from: S'mon on July 08, 2022, 06:21:58 AM

Quote from: Cathode Ray on July 08, 2022, 06:04:09 AM
Today's announcement from Steve Jackson Games is full-steam partisan/activist/pro-abortion.  I don't care what side you fall on: pro-abortion, or the side that's on the right side of history.  Right to privacy?  Keep your extremism private.

Official word from Steve Jackson, alienating the majority of people.
http://www.sjgames.com/ill/archive/July_08_2022/Roe_v_Wade

They states that they'll donate profits to help murder children.  (Link to the "charity" http://www.lilithfund.org )

Lilith fund?!  ROTFLMAO! They should have just called it the Moloch fund.

Seriously, when I saw that I was like "Jesus, fuck! Could you be a little less on the nose about it than naming your fund after a demon who steals and kills babies?"

And I don't even care about the unborn, but I'm also not on the other extreme lunatic "let's just murder actual babies while we're at it" side of this issue. Like WTF?

And when you go to their website, their About section is like 80% about affirming intersectional nonsense rather than actually saying what they do for women, cuz they can't, since that would go against their "gender-inclusive" stance.

They can't talk about what they want to do for women, because they don't know what women are. They're not biologists, after all

But yeah. Sorry, SJG, off to the red you go. Enjoy your virtue signaling.

Oh fuck you anti woke bitches!

Supporting abortion is not woke. Demanding you use chosen pronouns, not use the word 'gypsy', demanding you call a known individual 'they', forcing businesses to make their restrooms non gender, trying to force female spess muhreens on 40k players, demanding every fucking show on TV have a couple lgbtqpoc1256285 character, ad nauseum,  THAT is woke.

Christ I'm sick if woke, but the people who drag bitching about woke into everything are annoying as fuck too.

Quote from: Battlemaster on July 08, 2022, 09:40:02 AM
So would your church consider NOT killing a gay person to be an intrinsically evil act? After all, 'duh buybull sez...! '

What does this have to do with Steve Jackson Games deciding to Woke virtue signal in a way that alienates at least half his potential customers?

The issue of abortion is divisive political one that one side considers government sanctioned murder of innocent children. Game companies need have nothing to do with the issue and yet Steve Jackson has chosen to insert his company into the issue in way that specifically says "by buying my products you will be supporting something half the country finds morally objectionable."

That is textbook Red company behavior and so is absolutely relevant to the discussions in this forum on how politics relates to gaming (which is what Reckall is getting wrong... it's not a no politics forum, it's no politics unrelated to gaming... Steve Jackson's decision to go political on the issue makes it a valid topic in discussing why it's a boneheaded move to alienate a huge swath of people who think abortion is murder and will no longer be buying his products as a result).

But in typical idiot Lefty fashion, you can't win that argument so you try to drag people off the topic into general politics hoping that Pundit will react as he should to off topic posts and then stand there feigning innocence. My only comment to your attempted derail is that I believe the following in total; https://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM

I also do not consider it an accident that your avatar is a Big Purple Troll.

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 08, 2022, 09:54:16 AM

Quote from: S'mon on July 08, 2022, 06:21:58 AM

Quote from: Cathode Ray on July 08, 2022, 06:04:09 AM
Today's announcement from Steve Jackson Games is full-steam partisan/activist/pro-abortion.  I don't care what side you fall on: pro-abortion, or the side that's on the right side of history.  Right to privacy?  Keep your extremism private.

Official word from Steve Jackson, alienating the majority of people.
http://www.sjgames.com/ill/archive/July_08_2022/Roe_v_Wade

They states that they'll donate profits to help murder children.  (Link to the "charity" http://www.lilithfund.org )

Lilith fund?!  ROTFLMAO! They should have just called it the Moloch fund.

Seriously, when I saw that I was like "Jesus, fuck! Could you be a little less on the nose about it than naming your fund after a demon who steals and kills babies?"

And I don't even care about the unborn, but I'm also not on the other extreme lunatic "let's just murder actual babies while we're at it" side of this issue. Like WTF?

And when you go to their website, their About section is like 80% about affirming intersectional nonsense rather than actually saying what they do for women, cuz they can't, since that would go against their "gender-inclusive" stance.

Just curious. Where's this About section? Not seeing it...

Quote from: Chris24601 on July 08, 2022, 10:19:27 AM

Quote from: Battlemaster on July 08, 2022, 09:40:02 AM
So would your church consider NOT killing a gay person to be an intrinsically evil act? After all, 'duh buybull sez...! '

What does this have to do with Steve Jackson Games deciding to Woke virtue signal in a way that alienates at least half his potential customers?

The issue of abortion is divisive political one that one side considers government sanctioned murder of innocent children. Game companies need have nothing to do with the issue and yet Steve Jackson has chosen to insert his company into the issue in way that specifically says "by buying my products you will be supporting something half the country finds morally objectionable."

That is textbook Red company behavior and so is absolutely relevant to the discussions in this forum on how politics relates to gaming (which is what Reckall is getting wrong... it's not a no politics forum, it's no politics unrelated to gaming... Steve Jackson's decision to go political on the issue makes it a valid topic in discussing why it's a boneheaded move to alienate a huge swath of people who think abortion is murder and will no longer be buying his products as a result).

But in typical idiot Lefty fashion, you can't win that argument so you try to drag people off the topic into general politics hoping that Pundit will react as he should to off topic posts and then stand there feigning innocence. My only comment to your attempted derail is that I believe the following in total; https://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM

I also do not consider it an accident that your avatar is a Big Purple Troll.

.  Your kind want to force people to have babies against their will, and then force your fucking religion on people on every other issue eventually.


Well,  we're not going to let you.

If you want to keep on trying,  you'd better be ready for a fucking war, a real war.

Quote from: Chris24601 on July 08, 2022, 10:19:27 AM
But in typical idiot Lefty fashion, you can't win that argument so you try to drag people off the topic into general politics

You are so blinded by your fanaticism that you didn't even considered that I could agree with you. This is not the point. The point is:

This is a site for discussing roleplaying games. Have fun doing so, but there is one major rule: do not discuss political issues that aren't directly and uniquely related to the subject of the thread and about gaming. While this site is dedicated to free speech, the following will not be tolerated: devolving a thread into unrelated political discussion

It is the first thing you read on this forum. Pundit's forum, Pundit's rules.

BTW, I wonder why no one even bothered to point out how SJ, in that very post, attacks the Right too:

Helping someone affected by one of the mass shootings that the right, and the Court, seem to be fostering out of sheer vicious perversity.

Quote from: Chris24601 on July 08, 2022, 10:19:27 AMGame companies need have nothing to do with the issue and yet Steve Jackson has chosen to insert his company into the issue in way that specifically says "by buying my products you will be supporting something half the country finds morally objectionable."

That is textbook Red company behavior and so is absolutely relevant to the discussions in this forum on how politics relates to gaming (... Steve Jackson's decision to go political on the issue makes it a valid topic in discussing why it's a boneheaded move to alienate a huge swath of people who think abortion is murder and will no longer be buying his products as a result).

I admit to some morbid curiosity about what kind of actual business case they thought they were making. Does SJG really believe that the market they gain from taking this stance will publicly make up for what they lose?

Perhaps they don't expect to lose very much. I can certainly commit to buying no more SJG products ... but the thing is, I wasn't doing that any more anyway, and not because of Jackson's politics but because my leisure/entertainment buying has gone through the floor for lack of time. And given the tragic lack of active traditional religious folks in the hobby gaming scene these days, I can imagine them concluding that this wouldn't cost them many customers.

On the other hand, I can't see that anyone who wasn't buying SJG products before would be likely to start now solely because of this particular stance. And given how close most game publishers operate to the edge of viability anyway, I can't help but think that alienating any of your audience for whatever reason is not a very good idea.

Quote from: Battlemaster on July 08, 2022, 09:40:02 AM

Quote from: Chris24601 on July 08, 2022, 08:23:36 AM

Quote from: Reckall on July 08, 2022, 06:39:09 AM

Quote from: Cathode Ray on July 08, 2022, 06:04:09 AM
They states that they'll donate profits to help murder children.

Please, keep your political opinions in the appropriate forum. I understand that abortion is extremely divisive and I agree that it is not the job of an entertainment company to lecture on political matters, but for the very same reason this is not the right forum where to do the same.

You do realize that your country's laws on Abortion would have been called zealous Pro-Life legislation if enacted here today? I don't think you have the slightest clue what you're actually saying.

In Italy you're limited to the first 90 days (12.5 weeks) unless life of mother is at risk and medical professionals have the right to conscientiously object to performing abortions.

The Left in the United States has demanded to be able to rip babies limb from limb right up to the moment of birth for any whim. The Left has been pushing new legislation to allow them to murder children up to a month AFTER birth if they change their mind. They are also demanding that medical professionals be forced to perform procedures they find morally objectionable or lose their license to practice and want their murder of babies to be celebrated by one and all on pain of ejection from society.

No, that IS State-mandated infant sacrifice to the Leftists' god that Steve Jackson is screeching about... that instead of the court imposing this satanic practice across the country by the fiat of nine men in robes, that instead it must be decided by representatives of the people in each state. Representative Democracy instead of Authoritarian Fiat? Oh, the HORROR!!!

And THIS is the hill that Steve Jackson has chosen for his company to die upon. That six unelected dead white men (and one black man) had the right to impose morality on hundreds of millions. That coercive power should be used to force doctors and nurses to violate their consciences because seven men in robes said so. That babies in the middle of labor can be ripped to pieces, their skulls crushed and their brains vacuumed out because the mother decided she'd rather not have stretch marks because sevrn men in robes said so.

Well, fuck Steve Jackson and his company. No one was asking him to take a stand one way or the other. He could have kept his damnable mouth shut and alienated no one. Now he's doubled down on saying half the population (and a much larger majority who didn't want it banned but that common sense restrictions like those in Italy should be in place) shouldn't buy from him because he'll just use the proceeds to help fund what they find morally objectionable.

He and his company are the literal definition of Bright Red on the Woke Company List; idiots who use their politics to virtue signal their compliance to the Woke and actually make it immoral to support their company financially to a whole bunch of religious people (i.e. they are now providing material support to what my Church considers an intrinsically evil act).

I know they've lost at least four customers from this and it's a shame because my godkids really love Munchkin.

So would your church consider NOT killing a gay person to be an intrinsically evil act? After all, 'duh buybull sez...! '

If you really want to go down this road, out of all of the things forbidden to man in Leviticus, having sexual relations with a child is not listed. So pedos are completely safe in the words of the Bible, as long as their victims don't conform to any of the other forbidden fruits.

But let's just leave the Bible-thumping (of both espousing or denouncing it's virtue) out of this thread and keep it gaming related and not diatribe related?

On that note, I can see this decision coming from SJG as impacting his business negatively. But like most who espouse supporting public political stances on hot-button issues, the company doesn't care and no amount of crying about it on a forum will change that. So vote with your wallets.

I can say that I wasn't really buying many SJG products anyway, so my continued lack of support won't help or hinder the company.

Quote from: Reckall on July 08, 2022, 10:38:39 AM

Quote from: Chris24601 on July 08, 2022, 10:19:27 AM
But in typical idiot Lefty fashion, you can't win that argument so you try to drag people off the topic into general politics

You are so blinded by your fanaticism that you didn't even considered that I could agree with you. This is not the point. The point is:

This is a site for discussing roleplaying games. Have fun doing so, but there is one major rule: do not discuss political issues that aren't directly and uniquely related to the subject of the thread and about gaming. While this site is dedicated to free speech, the following will not be tolerated: devolving a thread into unrelated political discussion

It is the first thing you read on this forum. Pundit's forum, Pundit's rules.

BTW, I wonder why no one even bothered to point out how SJ, in that very post, attacks the Right too:

Helping someone affected by one of the mass shootings that the right, and the Court, seem to be fostering out of sheer vicious perversity.

I noticed that as well. He is clearly an Austin Texan, lol. That is probably the only city in Texas that aligns with this statement accusing the right of vicious perversity because gun laws are not much stricter than they are.

Quote from: Battlemaster on July 08, 2022, 10:09:22 AM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 08, 2022, 09:57:44 AM

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 08, 2022, 09:54:16 AM

Quote from: S'mon on July 08, 2022, 06:21:58 AM

Quote from: Cathode Ray on July 08, 2022, 06:04:09 AM
Today's announcement from Steve Jackson Games is full-steam partisan/activist/pro-abortion.  I don't care what side you fall on: pro-abortion, or the side that's on the right side of history.  Right to privacy?  Keep your extremism private.

Official word from Steve Jackson, alienating the majority of people.
http://www.sjgames.com/ill/archive/July_08_2022/Roe_v_Wade

They states that they'll donate profits to help murder children.  (Link to the "charity" http://www.lilithfund.org )

Lilith fund?!  ROTFLMAO! They should have just called it the Moloch fund.

Seriously, when I saw that I was like "Jesus, fuck! Could you be a little less on the nose about it than naming your fund after a demon who steals and kills babies?"

And I don't even care about the unborn, but I'm also not on the other extreme lunatic "let's just murder actual babies while we're at it" side of this issue. Like WTF?

And when you go to their website, their About section is like 80% about affirming intersectional nonsense rather than actually saying what they do for women, cuz they can't, since that would go against their "gender-inclusive" stance.

They can't talk about what they want to do for women, because they don't know what women are. They're not biologists, after all

But yeah. Sorry, SJG, off to the red you go. Enjoy your virtue signaling.

Oh fuck you anti woke bitches!

Supporting abortion is not woke. Demanding you use chosen pronouns, not use the word 'gypsy', demanding you call a known individual 'they', forcing businesses to make their restrooms non gender, trying to force female spess muhreens on 40k players, demanding every fucking show on TV have a couple lgbtqpoc1256285 character, ad nauseum,  THAT is woke.

Christ I'm sick if woke, but the people who drag bitching about woke into everything are annoying as fuck too.

This isn't just about "supporting abortion" but about pushing a specific political narrative and explicitly taking the "correct" stance about any political issue, because doing otherwise is tantamount to supporting the "systemic" oppreshun of marginalized groups, blah, blah, blah. Which is the real reason SJG put out this announcement draped in woke language about being a privileged white heterosexual male, and jumping in to mention transgender people, voter IDs and a whole other bunch of stuff that has fuck to do with abortion.

Plus were talking about stuff in the Lilith Fund website that also mentions woke stuff about pronouns and Identity stuff that has nothing to do with abortion. Are you capable of addressing what people actually say without immediately jumping into a partisan defense and reflexive attack that doesn't even address what they were actually talking about?

Quote from: Dropbear on July 08, 2022, 10:22:33 AM

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 08, 2022, 09:54:16 AM

Quote from: S'mon on July 08, 2022, 06:21:58 AM

Quote from: Cathode Ray on July 08, 2022, 06:04:09 AM
Today's announcement from Steve Jackson Games is full-steam partisan/activist/pro-abortion.  I don't care what side you fall on: pro-abortion, or the side that's on the right side of history.  Right to privacy?  Keep your extremism private.

Official word from Steve Jackson, alienating the majority of people.
http://www.sjgames.com/ill/archive/July_08_2022/Roe_v_Wade

They states that they'll donate profits to help murder children.  (Link to the "charity" http://www.lilithfund.org )

Lilith fund?!  ROTFLMAO! They should have just called it the Moloch fund.

Seriously, when I saw that I was like "Jesus, fuck! Could you be a little less on the nose about it than naming your fund after a demon who steals and kills babies?"

And I don't even care about the unborn, but I'm also not on the other extreme lunatic "let's just murder actual babies while we're at it" side of this issue. Like WTF?

And when you go to their website, their About section is like 80% about affirming intersectional nonsense rather than actually saying what they do for women, cuz they can't, since that would go against their "gender-inclusive" stance.

Just curious. Where's this About section? Not seeing it...

It's at the Lilith Fund website, specific page here: https://www.lilithfund.org/portfolio/about/

Quote from: Battlemaster on July 08, 2022, 10:38:15 AM

Quote from: Chris24601 on July 08, 2022, 10:19:27 AM

Quote from: Battlemaster on July 08, 2022, 09:40:02 AM
So would your church consider NOT killing a gay person to be an intrinsically evil act? After all, 'duh buybull sez...! '

What does this have to do with Steve Jackson Games deciding to Woke virtue signal in a way that alienates at least half his potential customers?

The issue of abortion is divisive political one that one side considers government sanctioned murder of innocent children. Game companies need have nothing to do with the issue and yet Steve Jackson has chosen to insert his company into the issue in way that specifically says "by buying my products you will be supporting something half the country finds morally objectionable."

That is textbook Red company behavior and so is absolutely relevant to the discussions in this forum on how politics relates to gaming (which is what Reckall is getting wrong... it's not a no politics forum, it's no politics unrelated to gaming... Steve Jackson's decision to go political on the issue makes it a valid topic in discussing why it's a boneheaded move to alienate a huge swath of people who think abortion is murder and will no longer be buying his products as a result).

But in typical idiot Lefty fashion, you can't win that argument so you try to drag people off the topic into general politics hoping that Pundit will react as he should to off topic posts and then stand there feigning innocence. My only comment to your attempted derail is that I believe the following in total; https://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM

I also do not consider it an accident that your avatar is a Big Purple Troll.

.  Your kind want to force people to have babies against their will, and then force your fucking religion on people on every other issue eventually.


Well,  we're not going to let you.

If you want to keep on trying,  you'd better be ready for a fucking war, a real war.

None of that addresses what Chris actually said or has anything to do with this discussion, but it's just idle speculation on your part and kinda reaching.

Also, might wanna pipe down on openly declaring war on the side who has all the guns and knows how to use them, and acting like you already won this conflict when you probably won't if it comes to that.

Here's what I would say if I ran my own game company: "My personal politics are none of your business. I just want your money and recognition of the effort I put into my product."