So, as an avid reader and more of a person that stands in the shadows and observes people through their reactions to certain things, I was wondering how people can make a statement and use words such as:
It is the WORST rpg ever sold?
It is the WORST ruleset ever.
It is the BESTSELLING game this year.
It is the WORST SELLING game this year.
MORE people play this edition.
MORE people avoid that edition.
and so on and so on...
SO, my question is how can you posters make such statements and NOT give any evidence to support your supposition??? I, for one, will never make such declarations and NOT provide statistical evidence to back up the claim. Where do you get your evidence?? Is it just a personal opinion??? Is it only in your little gaming group or are you speaking again in general terms applying to all spectrums within RPG's???
Quote from: Ancientgamer1970;499801SO, my question is how can you posters make such statements and NOT give any evidence to support your supposition???
Nothing on the forum, or on the internet as a whole, makes you give supporting facts. That question was easy.
It's not an academic publication, it's a discussion forum. When you're sitting having a casual chat with friends, do you ask for references?
"I've been working out for a few months, and I've got a lot stronger."
"Did you document it? Did you record your first workout and most recent?"
"Man, it's hot today."
"Is it? Do you have a thermometer?"
"My boyfriend is the best-looking."
"Really? Have you taken a poll of at least 1,000 people to decide?"
Don't be a wanker. It's just a discussion forum.
QuoteDon't be a wanker. It's just a discussion forum.
Hells bells, I thought only people in Guy Ritchie's films still used that term.
Quote from: Rincewind1;499832Hells bells, I thought only people in Guy Ritchie's films still used that term.
That's Australia for you! LOL (I love the word "wanker" :) )
I guess when you are too busy running for your life from the 19404384912 species that can kill you, you have no time to invent new words.
;)
Hmmmm, as usual, all responses given lack any semblance of intelligence or constructivity. It is the usual insults and nonsense.
:rolleyes:
QuoteWhen you're sitting having a casual chat with friends, do you ask for references?
I have a keen mind for specifics and facts. I do not engage in generalities based on assumption, personal opinion, or fictionalized comments based on how one feels especially with casual friends. I will not use terms such as "Everyone", "all", "the majority", "the minority" " a few", " a lot", and so on without some type of statistical data to strengthen my argument.
Quote from: Ancientgamer1970;499732I keep on trolling troll troll.
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Quote from: Ancientgamer1970;499801So, as an avid reader and more of a person that stands in the shadows and observes people through their reactions to certain things, I was wondering how people can make a statement and use words such as:
It is the WORST rpg ever sold?
It is the WORST ruleset ever.
It is the BESTSELLING game this year.
It is the WORST SELLING game this year.
MORE people play this edition.
MORE people avoid that edition.
and so on and so on...
SO, my question is how can you posters make such statements and NOT give any evidence to support your supposition??? I, for one, will never make such declarations and NOT provide statistical evidence to back up the claim. Where do you get your evidence?? Is it just a personal opinion??? Is it only in your little gaming group or are you speaking again in general terms applying to all spectrums within RPG's???
Carcosa is the WORST gaming supplement ever sold.
Why? Graphic depictions of child molestation that the players are encouraged to partake in.
FATAL is the WORST ruleset ever.
Why? Anal circumferance tables for infants.
D&D 4E is the BESTSELLING RPG of 2010.
Why? Because I can google sales figures motherfucker.
Every indy game that never sold a single pdf copy tied for WORST SELLING rpg in 2010.
why? Common Sense.
I've never even seen the last two points (More people play/less people play) EVER brought up on any RPG forum I've ever been to, mainly because that would be impossible to know.
QuoteWhy? Because I can google sales figures motherfucker.
Links??? Show me the money...
Quote from: Ancientgamer1970;499836Hmmmm, as usual, all responses given lack any semblance of intelligence or constructivity. It is the usual insults and nonsense.
:rolleyes:
Well, it would help if your questions weren't utterly stupid. For example:
QuoteIt is the WORST rpg ever sold?
It is the WORST ruleset ever.
These two questions are moronic. There's thing called "subjective opinion," you may have heard of it. When people say something is the BEST or WORST any person of reasonable intelligence will know implicitly that they are voicing their opinion, not making an objective statement of fact.
QuoteIt is the BESTSELLING game this year.
It is the WORST SELLING game this year.
MORE people play this edition.
MORE people avoid that edition.
People draw
inferences from
data they have been privy to. When people say "D&D is the best-selling rpg of all time" they don't need to provide sales figures for this claim; it's simply obvious if you know anything about table-top rpgs.
Also, when people do need to look up numbers they use this thing called "Google." You should check it out sometime; it will blow your mind.
and because I am a fan of your excessive third-grade usage of punctuation:
QuoteSO, my question is how can you posters make such statements and NOT give any evidence to support your supposition??? I, for one, will never make such declarations and NOT provide statistical evidence to back up the claim. Where do you get your evidence?? Is it just a personal opinion??? Is it only in your little gaming group or are you speaking again in general terms applying to all spectrums within RPG's???
Quote from: Ancientgamer1970;499836Hmmmm, as usual, all responses given lack any semblance of intelligence or constructivity.
[snip]
I will not use terms such as "Everyone", "all", "the majority", "the minority" " a few", " a lot", and so on without some type of statistical data to strengthen my argument.
chuckle.
Quote from: TristramEvans;499842chuckle.
And that is what a one-shot-one-kill looks like.
Quote from: misterguignol;499841Well, it would help if your questions weren't utterly stupid. For example:
These two questions are moronic. There's thing called "subjective opinion," you may have heard of it. When people say something is the BEST or WORST any person of reasonable intelligence will know implicitly that they are voicing their opinion, not making an objective statement of fact.
People draw inferences from data they have been privy to. When people say "D&D is the best-selling rpg of all time" they don't need to provide sales figures for this claim; it's simply obvious if you know anything about table-top rpgs.
Also, when people do need to look up numbers they use this thing called "Google." You should check it out sometime; it will blow your mind.
and because I am a fan of your excessive third-grade usage of punctuation:
I choose to use punctuation in that manner because that is me. How you use punctuation is your business.
Obviouisly, you have a reading problem because I was not ASKING for answers to those statements but asking how can people make such claims without providing some type of statistical data to prove their argument. Unlike people who make such outrageous claims, I will provide links and statistical data.
QuoteWhen people say something is the BEST or WORST any person of reasonable intelligence will know implicitly that they are voicing their opinion, not making an objective statement of fact.
Good point and the best response from your condescending post which makes me wonder if this is how you respond to all posts you read. This again verifies why I think posts I read are just outright without merit especially if one is attempting to argue the value of whatever is discussed.
Quote from: TristramEvans;499842chuckle.
Why chuckle??? It was easy to count the number of posts and make that claim.
Quote from: Ancientgamer1970;499839Links??? Show me the money...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON-7v4qnHP8&feature=player_embedded#!
Quote from: Ancientgamer1970;499836I have a keen mind for specifics and facts. I do not engage in generalities based on assumption, personal opinion, or fictionalized comments based on how one feels especially with casual friends.
So what you're saying is that you don't have any friends?
Because frankly,
everyone finds that shit annoying. Pedantry is next to pederasty both in the dictionary and in morality.
Nobody has a casual conversation in which they give references. Not even academics. They save it for the papers they write.
It's okay if you'd rather be right than have friends. Your life is yours to do with as you please. Just don't be surprised when we point and laugh.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;499847Because frankly, everyone finds that shit annoying. Pedantry is next to pederasty both in the dictionary and in morality.
I'd rather say "Pedantry is worse then fascism". Or at least that's a rough translation of ancient Polish proverb ;).
"Better a real Nazi than a grammar nazi!"
I dunno if that's true, though. Maybe monarchists are better than grammar nazis.
A psychologist would want to know what shit game ancientgamer1970 subscribes to.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;499847Nobody has a casual conversation in which they give references.
I like to carry footnotes on small pieces of folded paper in my pockets, to hand out when necessary.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;499828When you're sitting having a casual chat with friends, do you ask for references?
Over the years, I've only ever came across three individuals in person who always asked for references/proof for literally everything.
Essentially these individuals were hardcore skeptic types. Literally it was a form of "machismo" amongst their other hardcore skeptic friends/peers.
Quote from: Ancientgamer1970;499836Hmmmm, as usual, all responses given lack any semblance of intelligence or constructivity. It is the usual insults and nonsense.
Perhaps the response would be more positive if the thread was about RPGs and not about those
who discuss RPGs.
Quote from: Ancientgamer1970;499836I have a keen mind for specifics and facts. I do not engage in generalities based on assumption, personal opinion, or fictionalized comments based on how one feels especially with casual friends. I will not use terms such as "Everyone", "all", "the majority", "the minority" " a few", " a lot", and so on without some type of statistical data to strengthen my argument.
Kyle only got it half right. You are a
pretentious wanker.
Quote from: ggroy;499854Over the years, I've only ever came across three individuals in person who always asked for references/proof for literally everything.
Essentially these individuals were hardcore skeptic types. Literally it was a form of "machismo" amongst their other hardcore skeptic friends/peers.
We've got a guy at the bar who is a Welsh chemical engineer and he never has a conversation without pulling out his iphone a googling some obscure fact. He often wonders why the rest of the regulars get tired of talking to him pretty quickly.
Quote from: ggroy;499854Over the years, I've only ever came across three individuals in person who always asked for references/proof for literally everything.
Did they have any friends?
I find the premise of the original post problematic. I think Kyle Aaron got it right with:
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;499828It's not an academic publication, it's a discussion forum.
If therpgsite were to remake itself as a scholarly Internet forum, it would be unable to substantiate itself.
* Just gaining agreement, as a site, on what constitutes a credible source would be a nightmare.
* Any really scholarly notations are difficult to share because worthy notations are not usually on unsecured Internet sites that can be easily searched or linked.
* Academic publications and scholarly journals, even those with Internet publications, require accounts and annual fees, making citation ability an exclusive privilege, and therefore not a workable model for a public Internet forum.
* Further, there is not enough credible academic-level data in the field of Table Top Roleplaying available to substantiate the topics discussed on this site.
How many people does that leave for discussion? Four? A half-dozen?
Otherwise, you're just talking about a sub-wikipedia level bastard proof that is worth less than random gamig-group opinions, because it claims authority.
I think what the OP really intended with his post was simply that he's noticed some behavioural nuances in other posts annoy him with their generalisations, and he does not want to do the same.
//Panjumanju
QuoteEssentially these individuals were hardcore skeptic types.
Not true in every case and perhaps just the ones you are accustomed to experiencing more likely but I just do not take one's word at face value especially those online in a gaming forum and those in the gaming community.
QuoteI think what the OP really intended with his post was simply that he's noticed some behavioural nuances in other posts annoy him with their generalisations, and he does not want to do the same.
Well, that make 3 intelligent posts. At least this poster knows how to read and think before responding.
This going to be one fun-filled thread....
Quote from: Ancientgamer1970;499862Well, that make 3 intelligent posts. At least this poster knows how to read and think before responding.
Are you familiar with the concept of ad hominem (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html)?
Quote from: Panjumanju;499861I think what the OP really intended with his post was simply that he's noticed some behavioural nuances in other posts annoy him with their generalisations, and he does not want to do the same.
I can almost empathize in that I think one thread even where people posted some explanation for their opinions on certain games would not only make an entertaining read, it would also open up a wider level of discourse than the bevy of variations on "that game sucks" and the offhand sarcastic non sequitors favoured by some of the boards more persistent trolls,
On the other hand, the OP undermined this very thing with his pretentious and arrogant tone, and feebly insulting hyperbolic generalizations, and general...well, "wankery" really does fit. At best any worthwhile point he was trying to make can be dismissed as utter hypocrisy, but his continued hostile childlike discourse only leads one to believe this was simply an attempt at an ego-stroking troll.
Quote from: Ancientgamer1970;499839Links??? Show me the money...
Really? First result on google for "best selling tabletop rpg titles":
http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/19721.html
Quote from: TristramEvans;499879Really? First result on google for "best selling tabletop rpg titles":
http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/19721.html
That is 2010...
Where is 2011????
Quote from: Ancientgamer1970;499881That is 2010...
Where is 2011????
Considering it just ended today, probably just before tax time.
Though I imagine there are a ton of preliminary reports, but I think you're perfectly capable of using google yourself from this point on.
Quote from: Ancientgamer1970;499801It is the WORST rpg ever sold?
It is the WORST ruleset ever.
Obviously a matter of personal opinion.
Quote from: Ancientgamer1970;499801It is the BESTSELLING game this year.
It is the WORST SELLING game this year.
MORE people play this edition.
MORE people avoid that edition.
and so on and so on...
The man's got a point here, though. Pundit in particular loves making up his own facts about the hobby, past and present.
ICv2's stats, already linked, offer some insight, but as far as historical trends (e.g. oWoD vs. nWoD) or actual play (e.g. Pundit's wild claim that Palladium games saw more actual play than WW games in the 90s, despite WW outselling Palladium) goes, all we have is anecdote and speculation. Which is why I find this sort of debate moot.
Quite a good troll.
Quote from: Ancientgamer1970;499801So, as an avid reader and more of a person that stands in the shadows and observes people through their reactions to certain things, I was wondering how people can make a statement and use words such as:
It is the WORST rpg ever sold?
It is the WORST ruleset ever.
It is the BESTSELLING game this year.
It is the WORST SELLING game this year.
MORE people play this edition.
MORE people avoid that edition.
and so on and so on...
SO, my question is how can you posters make such statements and NOT give any evidence to support your supposition??? I, for one, will never make such declarations and NOT provide statistical evidence to back up the claim. Where do you get your evidence?? Is it just a personal opinion??? Is it only in your little gaming group or are you speaking again in general terms applying to all spectrums within RPG's???
I'm sorry, but before answering your question I need you to provide links to examples of this purported behavior.
Quote from: Ancientgamer1970;499801MORE people avoid that edition.
How do you define people
avoiding an edition / game as opposed to
not playing it?
I mean, I've never played Shadowrun 1st or 2nd, but I'm not avoiding those, I'm just playing other editions.
Quote from: The Butcher;499904The man's got a point here, though. Pundit in particular loves making up his own facts about the hobby, past and present.
Pundit is a man of his word, and that word is "bullshit".
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;499859Did they have any friends?
Of the three individuals in question, two of them were actually friends. Though these two didn't appear to have many other friends, besides themselves and their other hardcore skeptic friends.
The third individual had a wife. I don't know much about this person, beyond that.
I've found that stats and facts don't really change much in these discussions. On EN World it is pretty common to see people posting sales info and other data on the old 3E-4E flamewars and still no one agrees what the numbers mean. People generally start with their opinion and bend the facts to their position in my experience. Best case scenario someone simply has no response to a fact presented and gets angry (but hasn't changed his opinion). Every once in a blue moon I will see a person acknowledge being wrong about something.
Quote from: Ancientgamer1970;499862Not true in every case and perhaps just the ones you are accustomed to experiencing more likely
This just happens to be what I observed in the offline circles I socialize in.
Outside of my immediate offline social circles, I have not met anybody else yet who demands references/proof for everything.
If you are indeed being truthful, then you are a data point which falsifies my initial assertion. Since I have probably not met you in person and I am probably not in your immediate offline social circles, I don't have enough data to determine the case in general. (ie. Data insufficient).
Quote from: Ancientgamer1970;499862but I just do not take one's word at face value especially those online in a gaming forum and those in the gaming community.
I am generally a lot more skeptical in niches outside of rpg games. As far as I'm concerned, rpg games are an entertaining side hobby for me.
I have other priorities where my skeptical nature is much more in full force, than rpg games. For example, my skeptical nature is at full blast when it comes to unproven conjectures in pure mathematics.
Quote from: BedrockBrendan;499936I've found that stats and facts don't really change much in these discussions. On EN World it is pretty common to see people posting sales info and other data on the old 3E-4E flamewars and still no one agrees what the numbers mean. People generally start with their opinion and bend the facts to their position in my experience. Best case scenario someone simply has no response to a fact presented and gets angry (but hasn't changed his opinion). Every once in a blue moon I will see a person acknowledge being wrong about something.
that's very true. Nature of the internet. I honestly don't know why most of these things matter. "Best" and "Worse" is so subjective that an argument based on those lines is completely meaningless - I don't subscribe to the "badwrongfun" philosophy. Best and worst-selling is of absolutely no concern to me whatsoever. Most of the games I play have been out of print for years, sometimes decades. As to how many people play this or that edition? I don't think that's even possible to answer, or why it would be worth answering if one could.
OTOH, I like reading different opinions. If anything, I'd just rather posts not be boring or ambiguously passive aggressive.
QuoteIf you are indeed being truthful, then you are a data point which falsifies my initial assertion. Since I have probably not met you in person and I am probably not in your immediate offline social circles, I don't have enough data to determine the case in general. (ie. Data insufficient).
People that meet me after knowing me online find me to be a good guy and that I promise. I have no reason to come online and lie. Not my nature, not the way I was raised, and certainly now how I conducted myself when I served 23 years in the Marine Corps.
QuoteI am generally a lot more skeptical in niches outside of rpg games. As far as I'm concerned, rpg games are an entertaining side hobby for me.
That makes sense to me but since I am dealing with people in person, I already know the character of their content so I am less likely to be skeptical when we converse. Online, I have NO CLUE who I am conversing with and beleive me when I say this, just because one has a phenominal grasp of the English vocabulary does not mean I beleive everything they post. ;D
Quotethat's very true. Nature of the internet. I honestly don't know why most of these things matter. "Best" and "Worse" is so subjective that an argument based on those lines is completely meaningless - I don't subscribe to the "badwrongfun" philosophy. Best and worst-selling is of absolutely no concern to me whatsoever. Most of the games I play have been out of print for years, sometimes decades. As to how many people play this or that edition? I don't think that's even possible to answer, or why it would be worth answering if one could.
Very well said and that is why I dismiss posts that do this this...
This is the same guy who claimed he could tell whether you would be a good DM based on your posts on the internet. He's our new troll of the week.
Quote from: ggroy;499939I am generally a lot more skeptical in niches outside of rpg games. As far as I'm concerned, rpg games are an entertaining side hobby for me.
A fair enough argument, but once you start seriously discussing RPGs (which, mind you, is
not the same as treating RPGs as Serious Business like pure mathematics, or cancer surgery, or the upcoming elections), if you intend to hold any sort of meaningful debate, you have to have a minimum standard of intellectual rigor. And not making shit up is a good start.
As for "best" and "worst" games, well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The OP has made his biases well know, and I try to do the same, but the fact that one poster prefer OD&D and another poster prefers AD&D 2e (or 3.5/PF, or 4e, or dislikes D&D entirely but loves Rolemaster), shouldn't preclude insightful and enlightening debate on the games we run and play. Unless, of course, we opt to have a dick-waving match and call each other names, which some people in this forum (not the least of whom the OP) seem a bit too fond of.
This has nothing to with having a neutering thought-police moderation like RPGnet, and everything to do about getting to the skinny of what this forum is (or, in my fertile imagination, should be) all about: learning interesting new stuff (and in my case, discovering all sorts of interesting old stuff) about this crazy and exciting hobby of ours. Cut the bullshit and get to the heart of the matter. Less shit-flinging and theory-wank. More settings, and adventures, and NPCs, and cool ideas, and reviews, and other goodies.
Sorry if this post comes across as dopey hippie stuff. Just my 2c.
Quote from: Ancientgamer1970;499881That is 2010...
Where is 2011????
Here you go, Google search string
site:icv2.com top roleplaying RPG
https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aicv2.com+%22top+roleplaying&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=CeS&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&source=hp&q=site:icv2.com+top+roleplaying+RPG&pbx=1&oq=site:icv2.com+top+roleplaying+RPG&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=24427l26542l0l26926l5l5l0l0l0l0l175l687l0.5l5l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&fp=4b3c420078196b39&biw=1184&bih=588
Quotebut the fact that I prefer OD&D and he prefers 3.5/PF shouldn't preclude insightful and enlightening debate on the games we run and play
That is not entirely true...
I do prefer older editions of D&D HOWEVER since there are very few players far, in and between, I stick to Pathfinder for my gaming needs... I did find one 2nd edition group but they are full.
Quote from: estar;499964Here you go, Google search string
site:icv2.com top roleplaying RPG
https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aicv2.com+%22top+roleplaying&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=CeS&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&source=hp&q=site:icv2.com+top+roleplaying+RPG&pbx=1&oq=site:icv2.com+top+roleplaying+RPG&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=24427l26542l0l26926l5l5l0l0l0l0l175l687l0.5l5l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&fp=4b3c420078196b39&biw=1184&bih=588
thanks....;D
Quote from: estar;499964Here you go, Google search string
site:icv2.com top roleplaying RPG
https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aicv2.com+%22top+roleplaying&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=CeS&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&source=hp&q=site:icv2.com+top+roleplaying+RPG&pbx=1&oq=site:icv2.com+top+roleplaying+RPG&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=24427l26542l0l26926l5l5l0l0l0l0l175l687l0.5l5l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&fp=4b3c420078196b39&biw=1184&bih=588
Interesting, looks like
Pathfinder is in the lead, but no mention of
Mongoose Traveller (I'm curious what ranking they got).
Quote from: Ancientgamer1970;499968That is not entirely true...
I do prefer older editions of D&D HOWEVER since there are very few players far, in and between, I stick to Pathfinder for my gaming needs... I did find one 2nd edition group but they are full.
I stand corrected. Nonetheless, I feel the point is valid; I'll go back and edit the post.
Quote from: The Butcher;499963A fair enough argument, but once you start seriously discussing RPGs (which, mind you, is not the same as treating RPGs as Serious Business like pure mathematics, or cancer surgery, or the upcoming elections), if you intend to hold any sort of meaningful debate, you have to have a minimum standard of intellectual rigor. And not making shit up is a good start.
Definitely.
In some areas, making shit up and/or pulling off a hoax is actually quite difficult to do successfully in practice. For example, areas like pure mathematics, chess, theoretical physics, engineering, etc ... One just has to examine all those web pages covering topics like: "Einstein is wrong", "perpetual motion machines", "cold fusion", etc ...
Then again, mathematics only have 5000+ years of tradition to them.
RPGs got about 40.
Quote from: Pseudoephedrine;499958This is the same guy who claimed he could tell whether you would be a good DM based on your posts on the internet.
Still wondering if Ancient is going to get back to that storyline. Not that he's the only one around here to poop on others for no good reason, right Pseudo?
Less shit-flinging and theory-wank. More settings, and adventures, and NPCs, and cool ideas, and reviews, and other goodies.Yes, yes. Let's do more of that sort of thing. A keen idea supplied by an asshole is still a keen idea.
Quote from: VectorSigma;500036Still wondering if Ancient is going to get back to that storyline. Not that he's the only one around here to poop on others for no good reason, right Pseudo?
Less shit-flinging and theory-wank. More settings, and adventures, and NPCs, and cool ideas, and reviews, and other goodies.
Yes, yes. Let's do more of that sort of thing. A keen idea supplied by an asshole is still a keen idea.
I've never denied being an asshole, but at least I'm sane.
Quote from: Pseudoephedrine;500042I've never denied being an asshole, but at least I'm sane.
That's fair. :)
Speaking of which:
Current number of open and active threads about my games: 2
Total number of views of those threads: 11608
Total number of posts in those threads by all posters: 321
Which I believe makes me #1 for direct discussion of actual campaigns and settings around here.
Only Spike is beating me at the moment in # of active threads about his settings and campaigns.
By contrast:
Number of open and active threads about Anusgamer1970's games: 0
Total numbers of views of those threads: 0
Total number of posts in those threads by all posters: 0
Total number of shitposts by Anusgamer1970: 197
Quote from: Pseudoephedrine;500049Speaking of which:
Current number of open and active threads about my games: 2
Total number of views of those threads: 11608
Total number of posts in those threads by all posters: 321
Which I believe makes me #1 for direct discussion of actual campaigns and settings around here.
Only Spike is beating me at the moment in # of active threads about his settings and campaigns.
Now look what you've started.... :D
Quote from: VectorSigma;500036Less shit-flinging and theory-wank. More settings, and adventures, and NPCs, and cool ideas, and reviews, and other goodies.
Yes, yes. Let's do more of that sort of thing. A keen idea supplied by an asshole is still a keen idea.
I'm an asshole now? What did I do? :confused: :D
Quote from: Pseudoephedrine;500049Speaking of which:
Current number of open and active threads about my games: 2
Total number of views of those threads: 11608
Total number of posts in those threads by all posters: 321
Which I believe makes me #1 for direct discussion of actual campaigns and settings around here.
Only Spike is beating me at the moment in # of active threads about his settings and campaigns.
I have a couple that I post to on occasion, but I should really contribute more. Maybe I'll start a thread on my supers setting sometime soon. Not today though, I'm reffing tonight.
From another thread,
Quote from: Ancientgamer1970;499869Being brusque is awesome as I enjoy being that way as well...
Yet you don't enjoy it when it comes back to you. This is called being a pussy. Please stop.
Stop being brusque and blunt, and we might stop with you; or stop whinging when we're as brusque with you as you are with us. Either is fine, just be consistent; give it and take it, or don't give it and don't take it. Consistency is key to not being a pussy.
Others have already pointed out your inconsistencies in regard to "proof", demanding it but not offering it, etc. Basically you're a pussy. Possibly a BNG.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;499828It's not an academic publication, it's a discussion forum. When you're sitting having a casual chat with friends, do you ask for references?
"I've been working out for a few months, and I've got a lot stronger."
"Did you document it? Did you record your first workout and most recent?"
"Man, it's hot today."
"Is it? Do you have a thermometer?"
"My boyfriend is the best-looking."
"Really? Have you taken a poll of at least 1,000 people to decide?"
Don't be a wanker. It's just a discussion forum.
With the way nerds are on the Internet, I'd imagine they yell "CITATION NEEDED!" several times a day.
Quote from: Pseudoephedrine;500042I've never denied being an asshole, but at least I'm sane.
And that's going as my facebook status for the day.
Quote from: B.T.;500072With the way nerds are on the Internet, I'd imagine they yell "CITATION NEEDED!" several times a day.
I'm going to start making up citations on TBP. Coming up with fake titles of books and authors (or even real titles of books I haven't read) is easy as pie. I mean, if these people can't be bothered to do a simple google search for themselves, what does the quality of the citations even matter?
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;500068From another thread,
Yet you don't enjoy it when it comes back to you. This is called being a pussy. Please stop.
Stop being brusque and blunt, and we might stop with you; or stop whinging when we're as brusque with you as you are with us. Either is fine, just be consistent; give it and take it, or don't give it and don't take it. Consistency is key to not being a pussy.
Others have already pointed out your inconsistencies in regard to "proof", demanding it but not offering it, etc. Basically you're a pussy. Possibly a BNG.
HA HA HA , I know that will not happen. No, I am not a pussy. Far from it and there are certain individuals who know me personally from this forum who know I am not a pussy.
I have no clue what a BNG is and really it matters not. All I know is that you are one of those totally socially inept nerd ragers who sprout internet muscles online but in person, nothing more than a spineless, fat, bald, smelly loser.
You might have grown some balls some years back AG but now you all but lost them on the internet. All you can do is rage against these abominable shadows you project from your brain onto people's posts that then magically wreck your afternoon reading on forums and feed into your loser's frustrations like a fuckwad with no life.
Keep on raging with all your impotent might, asshole!
Quote from: Benoist;500118You might have grown some balls some years back AG but now you all but lost them on the internet. All you can do is rage against these abominable shadows you project from your brain onto people's posts that then magically wreck your afternoon reading on forums and feed into your loser's frustrations like a fuckwad with no life.
Keep on raging with all your impotent might, asshole!
HA HA HA, what amazing language. I have no need to post foul language in such a manner to express myself. You are nothing to me. You are nothing but a fat, bald-headed elitist troll who has accomplished nothing in his miserable life.
And in all honesty, this applies to Mr Kyle Aaron from Australia as well. Another insignificant gnat of the web.
My attention is fully focused on those who speak with intelligence and take pride in their ability to converse with common decency. That is not you two. ;D
Hmm, fat? No sixpacks here, but not fat by nerd standards, we can compare chest, bicep, waist and thigh measurements if you like.
Bald? Not yet, working on it.
Smelly? I'll leave to others to tell me.
But spineless? I don't claim to be a tough guy, just not a complete pussy like you. I'm not the one with an anonymous pseudonym on an online forum. My identity and appearance are freely discoverable by anyone interested online. Since you are too stupid and lazy to use google, here (http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=80662443&trk=tab_pro) is my LinkedIn profile.
You're just another anonymous online pedantic pussy, AncientGamer. The internet is full of them. Usually we find them arguing about overland hiking rules or the hit points of newborn babies or the psychological cost of learning to kill on the SJGames forums, or near-C asteroids on the Traveller Mailing List. Unfortunately you've come here, but I doubt you'll stay, since here if you give shit you get given it back, which you can't handle since you're a pussy.
A BNG is a Bitter Non-Gamer. As Pseudo pointed out, we have no evidence that you game at all. And everything asserted must have evidence, right? Since you don't post about your games, we can only conclude you don't game, don't want to game, and are bitter about it. Thus, a BNG. The proper place for BNGs is Tangency Open on rpg.net, however to avoid banning there you must be middle-class sheltered left-wing, preferbly transgendered or homosexual, whether you qualify or not I don't know. Certainly you're whiny and hypocritical enough.
If you're not a pussy, then let us know who you are and what you do for gaming, if anything.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;500121Hmm, fat? No sixpacks here, but not fat by nerd standards, we can compare chest, bicep, waist and thigh measurements if you like.
Bald? Not yet, working on it.
Smelly? I'll leave to others to tell me.
But spineless? I don't claim to be a tough guy, just not a complete pussy like you. I'm not the one with an anonymous pseudonym on an online forum. My identity and appearance are freely discoverable by anyone interested online. Since you are too stupid and lazy to use google, here (http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=80662443&trk=tab_pro) is my LinkedIn profile.
You're just another anonymous online pedantic pussy, AncientGamer. The internet is full of them. Usually we find them arguing about overland hiking rules or the hit points of newborn babies or the psychological cost of learning to kill on the SJGames forums, or near-C asteroids on the Traveller Mailing List. Unfortunately you've come here, but I doubt you'll stay, since here if you give shit you get given it back, which you can't handle since you're a pussy.
A BNG is a Bitter Non-Gamer. As Pseudo pointed out, we have no evidence that you game at all. And everything asserted must have evidence, right? Since you don't post about your games, we can only conclude you don't game, don't want to game, and are bitter about it. Thus, a BNG. The proper place for BNGs is Tangency Open on rpg.net, however to avoid banning there you must be middle-class sheltered left-wing, preferbly transgendered or homosexual, whether you qualify or not I don't know. Certainly you're whiny and hypocritical enough.
If you're not a pussy, then let us know who you are and what you do for gaming, if anything.
That was not the purpose of this thread. I am not here to discuss my lengthy gaming career or my gaming life. All you need to know is I am a retired Marine and all I do now is game and go to gaming conventions. Plain and simple...
By the way, is it a pre-requisite to reveal my current gaming schedule that occurs every week??? I am supposed to post about all the board games i play on a weekly basis at the gaming store??? I am supposed to post every time I am finished playing a certain game or whatnot???
You may be a retired Marine, or you may not. You may go to conventions, or you may not. Citations? References? Evidence for these assertions?
Oh, is only other people who need to give evidence for what they say, but when it comes to you, we should just believe you?
Yes, if you want to participate on a forum where we TALK ABOUT RPGS, it is a prequisite to TALK ABOUT RPGS YOU PLAY. Radical ideas, I know. In other news, on knitting forums they talk about the knitting they do, on political forums they talk about political parties they're members of. Crazy stuff.
Still anonymous but giving us shit, thus still a pussy. Stop giving people shit, or stop being anonymous, either will do and you will no longer be a pussy.
Quote from: Ancientgamer1970;500123By the way, is it a pre-requisite to reveal my current gaming schedule that occurs every week??? I am supposed to post about all the board games i play on a weekly basis at the gaming store??? I am supposed to post every time I am finished playing a certain game or whatnot???
Yesssssss, there they are. I was beginning to miss those wild exclamation points, daddy-o.
Say, since you're not an American why did you join the US Marine Corps. anyway?
Quote from: misterguignol;500126Yesssssss, there they are. I was beginning to miss those wild exclamation points, daddy-o.
Say, since you're not an American why did you join the US Marine Corps. anyway?
All the males on my fathers side have joined the service since we immigrated here to the United States. We give back to the country that allowed us to come here and give us the things many take for granted. Some served 4 years, some served over 35 years. I served my 23 years.
QuoteStill anonymous but giving us shit, thus still a pussy. Stop giving people shit, or stop being anonymous, either will do and you will no longer be a pussy.
I will no longer respond to your queries. When you speak to me with some type of respect OR semblance of intelligence. I will consider answering your questions.
Quote from: misterguignol;500126Yesssssss, there they are. I was beginning to miss those wild exclamation points, daddy-o.
I think Prachett had a theory about using such stuff too much...
I always find it sad when people bring up military service (either real or more often fabricated) as some sort of validation of their opinions.
Quote from: Pseudoephedrine;500042I've never denied being an asshole, but at least I'm sane.
Your sanity is still in doubt, ultimately it is for others to determine. On the other hand, whether you are an asshole or not, only you truly know.
Quote from: Pseudoephedrine;500049Speaking of which:
Current number of open and active threads about my games: 2
Total number of views of those threads: 11608
Total number of posts in those threads by all posters: 321
Which I believe makes me #1 for direct discussion of actual campaigns and settings around here.
Unless of course that crack team of psychiatrists has been diligent in their examination of your jejune comments.
Quote from: Ancientgamer1970;500127All the males on my fathers side have joined the service since we immigrated here to the United States.
Did no judge consider community service or repatriation?
Quote from: Fiasco;500130I always find it sad when people bring up military service (either real or more often fabricated) as some sort of validation of their opinions.
I was in the Army for some years. This should cause you to question my good judgment, not endorse it.
AncientGamer, if he's not just doing some creative writing, was probably just a cook or clerk anyway; around 5 in 6 of all those in uniform do a non-combat job. Useful and necessary, but not really something to pound your chest about, even an internet chest.
Quote from: anonymous internet wussI will no longer respond to your queries. When you speak to me with some type of respect OR semblance of intelligence. I will consider answering your questions.
You'll get the respect you give. Which is at the moment, fuck all. Benoist expresses fascist opinions, but we still give him respect, because he treats others with respect. And he's open about who is and where he's from.
People giving shit to others behind the shelter of internet anonymity get no respect, nor do they deserve any.
Stop giving shit, or stop being anonymous. Either is fine. But stop bitching. I never thought I'd have to say this a Marine, but: harden the fuck up.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;500144You'll get the respect you give. Which is at the moment, fuck all. Benoist expresses fascist opinions, but we still give him respect, because he treats others with respect. And he's open about who is and where he's from.
Thank you. I might point out that my family knows a little something about fascism by having been on the receiving end of the stick in WW2. I do not promote facist ideas, nor do I want a fascist state either (which actually has a rather specific definition that would only remotely ressemble what I was talking about in the Assange thread if you were to interpret them using the most extremely biased POV on the question, which I believe you are right now).
Quote from: Benoist;500155Thank you. I might point out that my family knows a little something about fascism by having been on the receiving end of the stick in WW2. I do not promote facist ideas, nor do I want a fascist state either (which actually has a rather specific definition that would only remotely ressemble what I was talking about in the Assange thread if you were to interpret them using the most extremely biased POV on the question, which I believe you are right now).
Mine too, eh.
Well, to be honest, you probably have just foolish idealistic notions of democracy, like I have foolish idealistic notions of anarchism ;).
Quote from: Rincewind1;500156Mine too, eh.
Well, to be honest, you probably have just foolish idealistic notions of democracy, like I have foolish idealistic notions of anarchism ;).
Yes. Maybe so, indeed. :)
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;500144I never thought I'd have to say this a Marine, but: harden the fuck up.
Sounds sexy.
Quote from: Benoist;500155I might point out that my family knows a little something about fascism by having been on the receiving end of the stick in WW2.
I thought the French caved in, content with promises from their conquerors that Baguettes, Cheese, Garlic would be freely available so long they supplied fresh young girls to their blond masters.
Quote from: _kent_;500169Sounds sexy.
I thought the French caved in, content with promises from their conquerors that Baguettes, Cheese, Garlic would be freely available so long they supplied fresh young girls to their blond masters.
Some of them for sure. Others flew to England or stayed hidden in plain sight and kept on fighting, or were incarcerated in work and/or death camps, or were sent as forces labor to Germany.
Quote from: Benoist;500174Some of them for sure. Others flew to England or stayed hidden in plain sight and kept on fighting, or were incarcerated in work and/or death camps, or were sent as forces labor to Germany.
Yeah, I know.
Quote from: Ancientgamer1970;500123By the way, is it a pre-requisite to reveal my current gaming schedule that occurs every week??? I am supposed to post about all the board games i play on a weekly basis at the gaming store??? I am supposed to post every time I am finished playing a certain game or whatnot???
Well, to put it another way...
citations needed.
Quote from: Ancientgamer1970;500115HA HA HA , I know that will not happen. No, I am not a pussy. Far from it and there are certain individuals who know me personally from this forum who know I am not a pussy.
I have no clue what a BNG is and really it matters not. All I know is that you are one of those totally socially inept nerd ragers who sprout internet muscles online but in person, nothing more than a spineless, fat, bald, smelly loser.
QuoteHA HA HA, what amazing language. I have no need to post foul language in such a manner to express myself. You are nothing to me. You are nothing but a fat, bald-headed elitist troll who has accomplished nothing in his miserable life.
And in all honesty, this applies to Mr Kyle Aaron from Australia as well. Another insignificant gnat of the web.
My attention is fully focused on those who speak with intelligence and take pride in their ability to converse with common decency. That is not you two. ;D
QuoteThat was not the purpose of this thread. I am not here to discuss my lengthy gaming career or my gaming life. All you need to know is I am a retired Marine and all I do now is game and go to gaming conventions. Plain and simple...
I do not believe that you are over the age of 20.
Quote from: TristramEvans;500188I do not believe that you are over the age of 20.
I'm really doubting he is, as well.
He's probably over 20.
Typically when people put a number in their name like that, it's the year of birth.
Born in 1970. Earliest he could join the Marines, 1988. 23 years of scrambling eggs or driving generals around takes us to 2011. Recently retired, then. Perhaps with multiple instances of concussion from that odd pugil-stick thing Marines like to play around with, slight brain damage would explain the odd personality quirks ("It's raining, you say? Citation needed!"), lack of inquisitive intelligence ("what is google?") and poor reading comprehension.
Gamers under 20 will talk about other gamers wearing black t-shirts and jeans and trenchcoats. Whereas if he were around 41 he'd encounter different types of gamers, it would explain his odd obsession with blokes turning fat and going bald, tends to happen to us around then. Projection is a powerful thing.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;500144I never thought I'd have to say this a Marine, but: harden the fuck up.
Sounds Sexy.
**BUMP** Hah heh.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;500190Typically when people put a number in their name like that, it's the year of birth.
I was born in 37923?
I just figured you were a time-traveller.
In 37923, are rpgs still dying?
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;500220I just figured you were a time-traveller.
Shhh, don't tell anyone.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;500220In 37923, are rpgs still dying?
According to Ryan Dancey's head in this glass jar, yes.
Or March 23, 1979. Or it's the combination to your safe filled with delicious peanut and nougat clusters topped with caramel and covered in chocolate... Wait, no, strike that!; I have no such thing locked away! Leave me and my stash alone!
Really? I'm gonna fucking swear so i can be fat and bald too damn it. I'm just glad the lame troll won't pay attention to my posts because they might have evil swear words in them and so obviously lack value. It's best to sneak past trolls without attracting their attention, IME.
Edit: Oh, and Happy New Year ya'all.
I don't understand using bald as an insult.
Exhibit A:
(http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/a/a0/Jean_Luc_Picard_2364.jpg)
//Panjumanju
Quote from: Panjumanju;500245I don't understand using bald as an insult.
Exhibit A:
(http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/a/a0/Jean_Luc_Picard_2364.jpg)
//Panjumanju
He is not fat and speaks with eloquence and skill unlike some of the fatties here.
EXHIBIT B:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_7VLuI_NXp2A/SLhQ_UfOWiI/AAAAAAAAAKU/Jl17XFrcpfA/s400/patrick_stewart_as_sejanus.jpg)
AG just uses the basic tools of the bully harrassing others by making remarks about their weight, the pimples on their face, or their sexual orientation, and not with much skill, I must say. I heard better when I was in 3rd grade. 1/10, for the effort it took him to write these inane comments.
Quote from: Benoist;500287AG just uses the basic tools of the bully harrassing others by making remarks about their weight, the pimples on their face, or their sexual orientation, and not with much skill, I must say. I heard better when I was in 3rd grade. 1/10, for the effort it took him to write these inane comments.
He also didn't cite any sources to prove his claims :(
Quote from: Benoist;500287AG just uses the basic tools of the bully harrassing others by making remarks about their weight, the pimples on their face, or their sexual orientation, and not with much skill, I must say. I heard better when I was in 3rd grade. 1/10, for the effort it took him to write these inane comments.
Totally untrue. I have not made fun of anyone's sexual orientation (that will never happen with me anyways) nor the pimples on their face (depends on your pic) HOWEVER you are correct that I have made poked fun at you being you are FAT and BALD.
Get your facts straight...
Quote from: Panjumanju;500245I don't understand using bald as an insult.
Exhibit A:
(http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/a/a0/Jean_Luc_Picard_2364.jpg)
//Panjumanju
Really you just answered your own question.
BTW, that shot was taken just before one of the gripping tea steeping scenes that STNG is famous for.
Quote from: Ancientgamer1970;500289Totally untrue. I have not made fun of anyone's sexual orientation (that will never happen with me anyways) nor the pimples on their face (depends on your pic) HOWEVER you are correct that I have made poked fun at you being you are FAT and BALD.
Get your facts straight...
Benoist has the guts to post his pic on the forum, something lots of people won't do. Looks like a normal, happy guy to me.
He should get his facts straight first: smelly is something he can't really judge unless he can smell through the internet, which is kind of an interesting super power to have, when I think about it. He also forgot "short" in his list of bully insults, as far as I'm concerned: I am indeed short, fat, and bald. And happy *gasp*.
Oh and French, thank you very much. Which makes me some kind of French Hobbit, I guess. :)
Quote from: Benoist;500292He should get his facts straight first: smelly is something he can't really judge unless he can smell through the internet, which is kind of an interesting super power to have, when I think about it. He also forgot "short" in his list of bully insults, as far as I'm concerned: I am indeed short, fat, and bald. And happy *gasp*.
Oh and French, thank you very much. Which makes me some kind of French Hobbit, I guess. :)
A fellow short person.
This kind of stuff stopped bothering me around the time that I stopped worrying about social cliques.
Here. Edited my avatar so he can take a few more cheap shots. :)
I look pretty much like avatar, except fatter.
So what are we discussing here anyway?
Btw Benoist, what the hell happened to the ship.
Quote from: Rincewind1;500301I look pretty much like avatar, except fatter.
So what are we discussing here anyway?
Btw Benoist, what the hell happened to the ship.
I like the ship. I just thought I'd give AG a little more ammunition for his cheap insults, or maybe, who knows, encourage him to do the same and show his actual face to us. Or back up anything he says with any substance whatsoever, for that matter.
Quote from: Benoist;500292Oh and French, thank you very much. Which makes me some kind of French Hobbit, I guess. :)
I want proof of this - The food you mention serving at games bears this up, but next avatar: show your feet! :)
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;500190He's probably over 20.
Typically when people put a number in their name like that, it's the year of birth.
I just assumed that he was engaging in the ancient Chinese art of Ly-Ying.
QuoteBorn in 1970. Earliest he could join the Marines, 1988. 23 years of scrambling eggs or driving generals around takes us to 2011. Recently retired, then. Perhaps with multiple instances of concussion from that odd pugil-stick thing Marines like to play around with, slight brain damage would explain the odd personality quirks ("It's raining, you say? Citation needed!"), lack of inquisitive intelligence ("what is google?") and poor reading comprehension.
As would, I suppose, a Pervasive Developmental Disorder.
QuoteGamers under 20 will talk about other gamers wearing black t-shirts and jeans and trenchcoats.
Ah yes, the 90s. Everybody wanted to be The Highlander.
QuoteWhereas if he were around 41 he'd encounter different types of gamers, it would explain his odd obsession with blokes turning fat and going bald, tends to happen to us around then. Projection is a powerful thing.
True that. As my grandfather used to say, it's those with the worst problems that spend the most time focusing on other people's problems.
Quote from: Benoist;500292unless he can smell through the internet, which is kind of an interesting super power to have
That's exactly the sort of super-power that could ruin free porn. I'll pass.
QuoteBorn in 1970. Earliest he could join the Marines, 1988. 23 years of scrambling eggs or driving generals around takes us to 2011. Recently retired, then. Perhaps with multiple instances of concussion from that odd pugil-stick thing Marines like to play around with, slight brain damage would explain the odd personality quirks ("It's raining, you say? Citation needed!"), lack of inquisitive intelligence ("what is google?") and poor reading comprehension.
You're not Hannibal Lecter.
It's true. I've never eaten any person's liver.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;500475It's true. I've never eaten any person's liver.
You have no idea what you missed.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;500475It's true. I've never eaten any person's liver.
That is why you gave up being a chef, isn't it?
It's true. I just couldn't take the cuisine to that next level.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;500483It's true. I just couldn't take the cuisine to that next level.
Now I wish I never had watched
The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover.
It's an awesome movie.
Quote from: Rincewind1;500525It's an awesome movie.
Helen Mirren. Rawr.
Quote from: ggroy;499933Quote from: Kyle Aaron;499859Did they have any friends?
Of the three individuals in question, two of them were actually friends. Though these two didn't appear to have many other friends, besides themselves and their other hardcore skeptic friends.
The third individual had a wife. I don't know much about this person, beyond that.
I just ran into one of these individuals earlier today, by chance at a nearby grocery store.
This one particular individual was complaining about how he doesn't get invited anymore to social gatherings, and other people don't return his phone calls and emails anymore. He was completely clueless as to why hardly anybody wants to be around him.
I didn't bother stating the obvious to him.
Just on "proof" and "evidence", one of my acquaintances is a kind of entrepreneur who flies around the world making business deals. Yes he does collect hard data to make decisions, but he also talks to taxi drivers, eavesdrops on conversations in cafes and generally talks to everyone and anyone to get a feel for the zeitgeist when considering, for example, a venture in a new country. And he often flies by the seat of his pants. If he had waited for peer-reviewed evidence that his efforts would make him rich, he'd still be waiting instead of smoking expensive cigars.