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Author Topic: State of Shadowrun 6e today?  (Read 10225 times)

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« Reply #75 on: June 25, 2020, 02:36:40 PM »
Sadder-Krupp's the richest and most powerful megacorp on the earth owned and run by the most powerful being on the earth.  Yeah, they have a couple aircraft carriers, they can afford it, it's not the U.S. Navy.  Mitsuhama has one supercarrier, but they're practically an extension of the Japanese Imperial Navy.  Most of the Big 10 don't have anything like a major nation's military power.  They have military assets in case they need to protect corporate assets in a civil war, need to pressure a small country, need to flex against another megacorp, etc.

We're talking for most Megacorps brigade strength at best, with most at company or battalion strength and only the ones with the highest military rating reaching division level.  Even the armies of the UCAS, much diminished when compared to the old USA, still has military assets greater than all the Megas combined.  The only one that's hard to gauge is Aztechnology, since it's impossible to draw the line between Aztlan the country and Aztechnology the corp.

Monsanto in 2020 currently has larger military assets then some Megas.
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« Reply #76 on: June 25, 2020, 03:28:29 PM »
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Sadder-Krupp's the richest and most powerful megacorp on the earth owned and run by the most powerful being on the earth.  Yeah, they have a couple aircraft carriers, they can afford it, it's not the U.S. Navy.  Mitsuhama has one supercarrier, but they're practically an extension of the Japanese Imperial Navy.  Most of the Big 10 don't have anything like a major nation's military power.  They have military assets in case they need to protect corporate assets in a civil war, need to pressure a small country, need to flex against another megacorp, etc.


I already listed many multiple times why you don't need a standing army for any of those things. I assume Lofwyr has a masochism fetish and secretly hires people to blow up his credits with a bazooka while he watches in a closet.

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« Reply #77 on: June 25, 2020, 04:01:53 PM »
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Its Rigger 3 (Shadowrun 4th Edition). But other stuff mention corps leasing navy stuff FROM the Government.

Again its because Tabletop RPG writers rarely study economics.

Okay I agree with you.  That is dumb as a sack of bricks.  Note that that is 4e which is where most of the terrible stuff started.

Leasing navy stuff isn't too far gone.  Still stupid (just bribe some politicians like nowadays) but again this is supposed to be dystopic which means things aren't smart or efficient.

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« Reply #78 on: June 25, 2020, 06:52:23 PM »
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I already listed many multiple times why you don't need a standing army for any of those things. I assume Lofwyr has a masochism fetish and secretly hires people to blow up his credits with a bazooka while he watches in a closet.

Now you're ignoring the part where he mentioned Monsanato today has more Military forces than most Shadowrun megacorps do. Today's Megacorps have military contractors they use to protect their assets in 3rd world countries. Banshee you have this habit of never wanting to admit when you're wrong and just trying to talk around the subject matter.
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« Reply #79 on: June 25, 2020, 07:03:13 PM »
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Leasing navy stuff isn't too far gone.  Still stupid (just bribe some politicians like nowadays) but again this is supposed to be dystopic which means things aren't smart or efficient.

It ties more into the Purple Mohawks aesthetic and Shadowrun really begins to break down when trying black trenchcoats. Fighting the corporate maxidrome and their army of flunkies works better in a punk and XTREME setting with Street Shamans and RADICUL elements more then it does for a setting taking itself 100% seriously.

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Now you're ignoring the part where he mentioned Monsanato today has more Military forces than most Shadowrun megacorps do.

'Most' megacorps? I assumed we were talking about the AAA ones, the smaller ones have much less information and I don't have much to compare to them. A standing army is not even close to a mercenary army for obvious reasons. Because you hire a mercenary army temporarily. And even you pointed out you hire them for 3rd world countries. Not to protect you from friggin UCAS. Even something like a SWAT team is ridiculously expensive to pay for, but Red Samurai from Renraku are even more expensive and have even less uses for a theoretically amoral megacorp. All of this shit only matters if you lobby for extraterritoriality and have to protect your own assets instead of just bribing local SWAT, or lobby to pass 'The Protect my assets' bill. Which is just even more depressing really.

I'm not saying it can't be done to make sense in the setting, it just isn't in Shadowrun.

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« Reply #80 on: June 25, 2020, 09:23:08 PM »
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I already listed many multiple times why you don't need a standing army for any of those things. I assume Lofwyr has a masochism fetish and secretly hires people to blow up his credits with a bazooka while he watches in a closet.

Your argument is based on a few errors:
First the assumption that corporations can get countries to send armies to support their interests.  The USA isn't one country anymore, it's at least 7 with competing interests.  The "send the USMC to take Hawai'i" days are long gone.  There's not a cabal of US Oil Companies pushing for US Middle East involvement, each of the Big 10 has energy concerns and they compete against each other.  Huge areas of the Shadowrun world are without effective government, and Megas have assets in those areas to exploit the lack of law.  They also need military assets to secure them.
Second error is that these military assets are just spending money.  The Megas with the largest armies are also military contractors.
Third error is that you think Megacorp armies are capable of going toe to toe with First World nations.  They’re not even remotely close to that large, not even Ares.
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« Reply #81 on: June 26, 2020, 12:05:45 AM »
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Your argument is based on a few errors:

I think your elements may have merit to them, but I still fundementlly believe the authors creative decisions where linked to fundemental misunderstandings of geopolitics and economics. Because it was linked in a desire to make them as evil as possible and not really out of logic.

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« Reply #82 on: June 26, 2020, 07:36:52 AM »
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Its Rigger 3 (Shadowrun 4th Edition).


Minor quibble but Rigger 3 and Rigger 3 Revised were both for Shadowrun 3rd Edition not 4th Edition.

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« Reply #83 on: June 26, 2020, 08:09:34 AM »
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Minor quibble but Rigger 3 and Rigger 3 Revised were both for Shadowrun 3rd Edition not 4th Edition.

Ah. Well there we go, its now 'legitimate'.

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« Reply #84 on: June 26, 2020, 11:27:35 AM »
Didn't Pepsi own a battleship at one point?

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« Reply #85 on: June 26, 2020, 12:14:35 PM »
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Ah. Well there we go, its now 'legitimate'.

Lol as I pointed out in the other SR thread you have -- even 3e has some stupid stuff.

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« Reply #86 on: June 26, 2020, 03:07:30 PM »
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Didn't Pepsi own a battleship at one point?

17 Submarines
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« Reply #87 on: June 29, 2020, 05:52:34 PM »
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17 Submarines
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https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/soviet-union-pepsi-ships

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« Reply #88 on: June 30, 2020, 08:11:15 AM »
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17 Submarines
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1 Destroyer
1 Cruiser

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/soviet-union-pepsi-ships

Thank God the Cola Wars didn't get stepped up to actual military conflicts :D

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« Reply #89 on: June 30, 2020, 11:18:56 AM »
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The problem the tards face there is that Catalyst (and FASA before them) already have shown how 'racism is bad, mmkay?'. It's like making fun of a clown. What're you gonna do, laugh at his shoes?

Clowns are racist because the wear white face paint and painted on lips which is clearly shown if you swap this to negative to be blackface and that wacist and must be ended. No more clowns.

Shadowrun is racist for having racism in it! teitch-twitch.

Shadowrun is racist because they use metas as stand ins for black people and thats erasure! ghasparoonies!

Shadowrun is racist because it is not a historically accurate depiction of native americans. And it is appropriation cause its not written by one. And because it uses stereotypes of magical natives! The horror!

Shadowrun is racist because it has native americans depicted in it at all!

Shadowrun is racist because it has the word shadow in the title. Shadows are dark and this is a clear KKK declaration against "darkies"! You monsters!

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