Quote from: Omega;756384um... the elf looks to have dark skin. Its not super dark, but its not white either. Kinda like the elf tracker in the D&D movie perhaps.

What I notice is it looks like they're going with Tolkien (Pathfinder) elves like 4e. Baseline slightly taller but thinner then humans. Good to see a Wood Elf actually look like they spend time in forests by the way.

Quote from: Piestrio;756335I expect so to but it doesn't matter.

Nothing you can do will ever be good enough for the tumblr outrage machine. Whatever you do will be twisted into yet another excuse for outrage.

Not enough women
Not enough minorities
Minorities not depicted properly
Minorities just "tokens"
Women not depicted properly
Not enough sexual minorities
Not enough of a particular minority/ethnicity/sexual minority.
Too many stereo types.
Not enough stereo types.
Too many of the wrong stereotypes.
Not diverse with regards to class.
Not "representational"
Too biased.
Not biased enough.
etc...

And on, and on, and on, and on.

And all based on a fundamentally bullshit principle.

This. And conflating a report on other people's opinions with my "mental picture of an all-white medieval Europe" is bullshit. If an accusation like that was levelled at in an academic context you'd be laughed out of existence. An unfortunate problem with so many "pseudo-academic commenters".

Within the context of what is seen in the image, of course there is immigration and movement of people. There are at least 4 humanoid races co-existing peacefully in the image.

But that doesn't speak to the outrage crowd. They have to have different skin colour. It is as if critical thought as applied to popular sub-culture is stuck in 1960s Star Trek mode: "ooh so diverse, many human races on Enterprise! Wow, very inclusive. Many colours. Teach the world to sing."

TL;DR Fuck off.

Quote from: BarefootGaijin;756402This. And conflating a report on other people's opinions with my "mental picture of an all-white medieval Europe" is bullshit

I meant "your" in a general sense, wise guy.

Quote from: Warthur;756268Uh, she's warming her hands?

What are you? Some kind of MRA?

*sigh*

One day I will learn to not get drawn into these arguments. It never makes anything better. One day.

Quote from: jeff37923;756266Why does the cloaked female looking one appear to be symbolicly posed to push the males around the campfire back?

She is damaging the campaign setting with her at will cantrips.

Quote from: LibraryLass;756440*sigh*

One day I will learn to not get drawn into these arguments. It never makes anything better. One day.

C'mon girl (I assume that's where your transitioning to) Please tell me or PM me if I am off. Because us women are really out numbered here. But understand no politics just games it'd be nice if another woman could step in and shock the boys now and again. Come play tag with me please?

Quote from: Bill;756449She is damaging the campaign setting with her at will cantrips.

FUCK YOU BILL. ...it's just a dream...no woman beyond your wife would EVER say that...ever.

Quote from: BarefootGaijin;756402This. And conflating a report on other people's opinions with my "mental picture of an all-white medieval Europe" is bullshit. If an accusation like that was levelled at in an academic context you'd be laughed out of existence. An unfortunate problem with so many "pseudo-academic commenters".

Within the context of what is seen in the image, of course there is immigration and movement of people. There are at least 4 humanoid races co-existing peacefully in the image.

But that doesn't speak to the outrage crowd. They have to have different skin colour. It is as if critical thought as applied to popular sub-culture is stuck in 1960s Star Trek mode: "ooh so diverse, many human races on Enterprise! Wow, very inclusive. Many colours. Teach the world to sing."

TL;DR Fuck off.

I would have made them all black just to watch folk like you reach nuclear mode.

I mean imagine picking up a fantasy RPG and having every image show black heroes. The impotent rage would be fantastic even though every single argument about why they are all white would be just as valid.

I don't blame the outrage crowd on this one.

I would not do a "group photo op" style picture for D&D without a black and an Asian character. It costs nothing and backs up all the PR talk of being modern and inclusive. Hell, I'd have two male character hold hands too.

WTF not in 2014? It's just good marketing in a gender/ethnic sensitive marketplace. If you want to be the "D&D for Everyone" edition, then fuck it, do the United Colors of Benetton dance.

And double fuck it. Have two male or two female holding hands and/or affectionately touching in two different pics. Make it Elf on Dwarf action. And then watch D&D get promoted on O'Reilly, the 700 Club and Limbaugh as trying to turn all Amerika's children into cock sucking devil worshiping liberals!

Homosexuality and ethnic inclusivity may be almost as good as the Satanic Panic for getting D&D back on the airwaves with free publicity.

And just imagine the SJWs having to DEFEND D&D!!!

Quote from: Spinachcat;756475I don't blame the outrage crowd on this one.

I would not do a "group photo op" style picture for D&D without a black and an Asian character. It costs nothing and backs up all the PR talk of being modern and inclusive. Hell, I'd have two male character hold hands too.

WTF not in 2014? It's just good marketing in a gender/ethnic sensitive marketplace. If you want to be the "D&D for Everyone" edition, then fuck it, do the United Colors of Benetton dance.

And double fuck it. Have two male or two female holding hands and/or affectionately touching in two different pics. Make it Elf on Dwarf action. And then watch D&D get promoted on O'Reilly, the 700 Club and Limbaugh as trying to turn all Amerika's children into cock sucking devil worshiping liberals!

Homosexuality and ethnic inclusivity may be almost as good as the Satanic Panic for getting D&D back on the airwaves with free publicity.

And just imagine the SJWs having to DEFEND D&D!!!

There's my Toxic Cat you ate your spinach.

Quote from: BarefootGaijin;756402But that doesn't speak to the outrage crowd. They have to have different skin colour. It is as if critical thought as applied to popular sub-culture is stuck in 1960s Star Trek mode: "ooh so diverse, many human races on Enterprise! Wow, very inclusive. Many colours. Teach the world to sing."

And yet I'd guess A Game of Thrones has a more diverse (not to mention large) audience than any polyglot fantasy property governed by quota. It's almost as though the best way to appeal to a diverse audience is to be really entertaining, because that's all 95 per cent of people care about in their movies, books, and games.

Quote from: Haffrung;756536And yet I'd guess A Game of Thrones has a more diverse (not to mention large) audience than any polyglot fantasy property governed by quota. It's almost as though the best way to appeal to a diverse audience is to be really entertaining, because that's all 95 per cent of people care about in their movies, books, and games.

I think it's rather patronizing to assume someone won't/can't enjoy something because it doesn't have someone like them in it.

It's the same kind of idiocy that gets The Old Man and The Sea removed from English textbooks because it's "regionally biased" against kids that live inland. (And yes, that's a real thing). Or has publishers counting off against bowdlerization checklists (also a real thing)

I've had my fair share of PoC players-- mainly Latin@, but some south and southeast Asian as well-- and many of them have said they do feel somewhat underrepresented in in-game art, but honestly that's not my biggest reason. It's a factor of course, but I want it for my own reasons as much. Namely, I think it makes things feel less repetitive and more interesting and immersive. Species-wide monocultures, IMO, are for Star Trek.

Quote from: Piestrio;756542It's the same kind of idiocy that gets The Old Man and The Sea removed from English textbooks because it's "regionally biased" against kids that live inland. (And yes, that's a real thing). Or has publishers counting off against bowdlerization checklists (also a real thing)

You have to be fucking kidding me. Who invents this stuff? Yes, I understand that perhaps a trilogy about the sorrows of an Thailand transsexual child - prostitute may rely on some cultural nuances that people'll not understand, but NOT UNDERSTANDING SEA?