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Starter set rulebook table of contents revealed.

Started by Warthur, June 05, 2014, 04:00:47 AM

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Sacrosanct

#135
June 18, 2014, 03:55:05 PM Last Edit: June 18, 2014, 03:58:09 PM by Sacrosanct
Quote from: jadrax;759172I honestly can't remember if you need to prepair a ritual spell or if you can just cast it if its in your book (or off your plate if you are a cleric).

You can cast any ritual spell if you can cast that spell anyway (being a caster).  All you have to do is add 10 minutes to the casting time.  No other real limitations.  You don't need to prepare it or memorize it.

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check that.  wrong.  I was only looking at the how to play section.  Under the class section, you do have to have the spell prepared (for clerics) or in your spellbook (for MU)
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

Bill

#136
June 18, 2014, 03:55:13 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;759171I don't disagree.  That's one thing about 2e I really liked, and incorporated into my 1e games (along with THAC0 and thief skill progressions).

There are specialty clerics in 5e, and I imagine it wouldn't be hard for a DM to say, "You worship the god of fire.  You can't cast any cold based spells."

It's easier with a fire/cold situation. But having to justify each spell is a pain in the ass.

Bill

#137
June 18, 2014, 03:56:38 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;759174You can cast any ritual spell if you can cast that spell anyway (being a caster).  All you have to do is add 10 minutes to the casting time.  No other real limitations.  You don't need to prepare it or memorize it.

Unless learning a ritual is expensive, hard to find, and or takes a long time, they seem more like class abilities.

Marleycat

#138
June 18, 2014, 03:56:39 PM
Quote from: Bill;759167Hopefully that means I can, for example, prepare say six spells a day, some ritual, some vancian, but six at the most?

Say you have a 5th level Wizard...you could technically have any number of spells in your spell books but at minimum you would have 3 cantrips (0) level spells, 6 1st level spell, 4 2nd level spells, and 2 3rd level spells in your book.

Since you're 5th level that means out of those 12 non cantrip spells you can prepare 6 spells to use in any combination your spell slots allow iirc it would be 4/3/1 or similar. And once a day you can recover 3 spell slots to use in any combination allowed (3 firsts, 2 first and a second, or 1 third).
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Bill

#139
June 18, 2014, 03:58:56 PM
Quote from: Marleycat;759177Say you have a 5th level Wizard...you could technically have any number of spells in your spell books but at minimum you would have 3 cantrips (0) level spells, 6 1st level spell, 4 2nd level spells, and 2 3rd level spells in your book.

Since you're 5th level that means out of those 12 non cantrip spells you can prepare 6 spells to use in any combination your spell slots allow iirc it would be 4/3/1 or similar. And once a day you can recover 3 spell slots to use in any combination allowed (3 firsts, 2 first and a second, or 1 third).

Hold the bus!

Does that mean you regain half your spells each day instead of all of them?

That would be awesome :)

Marleycat

#140
June 18, 2014, 04:01:09 PM
Quote from: CRKrueger;759173That's where Forgotten Realms Adventures knocked my socks off, every single deity having a different type of priest.  The new Hackmaster does that, except there isn't even a generic cleric, every god is unique.  Really adds flavor to a setting and brings religions a little further to the forefront.

That was an awesome book. And Hackmaster really did clerics right.
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

jadrax

#141
June 18, 2014, 04:03:21 PM
Quote from: Bill;759178Hold the bus!

Does that mean you regain half your spells each day instead of all of them?

That would be awesome :)

No she means in addition to recovering them all at rest.

Although I think that was a class special ability rather than a general rule.


(I am on holiday, I don't have any of my stuff here).

Sacrosanct

#142
June 18, 2014, 04:03:48 PM
Went through the spell list, and these are all the spells that can be cast as rituals

Augury
Commune
Comprehend languages
Contact other plane
Detect good/evil
Detct magic
Detect poison/disease
Divination
Find Familar
Gentle Repose
Identify
Knock
Locate Plants and Animals
Plant Growth
Purify food and water
Silence
speak with Animals
Wish (just kidding)
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

Marleycat

#143
June 18, 2014, 04:04:26 PM Last Edit: June 18, 2014, 04:08:53 PM by Marleycat
Quote from: Bill;759178Hold the bus!

Does that mean you regain half your spells each day instead of all of them?

That would be awesome :)

Once a day with a short rest you recover 1/2 your level round up in spell slots not spells it's a HUGE distinction. And it's only good for 1st-5th level spells. It's a class ability not general. A long rest recovers ALL your spell slots. Sorcerers and Warlocks have totally different spell mechanics/systems in use.
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Bill

#144
June 18, 2014, 04:06:20 PM
Quote from: Marleycat;759182Once a day with a short rest you recover 1/2 your level round up in spell slots not spells it's a HUGE distinction. And it's only good for 1st-5th level spells. Sorcerers and Warlocks have totally different spell mechanics/systems in use.

I get it; recovering some power but you can't change what was memorized.
That's cool.

Definitely like that Wizards, sorcerers, and warlocks will be different.




Fyi, Warlocks rule, just saying.

Sacrosanct

#145
June 18, 2014, 04:08:10 PM
Quote from: Marleycat;759182Once a day with a short rest you recover 1/2 your level round up in spell slots not spells it's a HUGE distinction. And it's only good for 1st-5th level spells. It's a class ability not general. Sorcerers and Warlocks have totally different spell mechanics/systems in use.

Here's the actual text for Arcane Recovery:

Once per day during a short rest, you can regain some of your magical energy by studying your spellbook.  You choose expended spell slots to recover.  The spell slots can have a combined level that is less than or equal to half your mage level (round up), and none of the slots can be 6th level or higher.
For example, when you are a 4th level mage, you can recover up to two levels worth of spells slots.  You can recover either a 2nd level spell slot or two 1st level spell slots.
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

Marleycat

#146
June 18, 2014, 04:11:44 PM
Quote from: Bill;759183I get it; recovering some power but you can't change what was memorized.
That's cool.

Definitely like that Wizards, sorcerers, and warlocks will be different.




Fyi, Warlocks rule, just saying.

Sorcerers for me especially Chaos Sorcerers. Wild Magic for the win!:D
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Sacrosanct

#147
June 18, 2014, 04:13:25 PM
Quote from: Marleycat;759185Sorcerers for me especially Chaos Sorcerers. Wild Magic for the win!:D

God, you sound like my buddy Chuck.  He LOVES wild magic.

I hate it ;)  He's such a giant pain in the ass lol
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

Marleycat

#148
June 18, 2014, 04:15:43 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;759186God, you sound like my buddy Chuck.  He LOVES wild magic.

I hate it ;)  He's such a giant pain in the ass lol

Of course you do.:)

Sounds like this Chuck and I are like peas in a pod.
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Brad

#149
June 18, 2014, 06:10:39 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;759128When I saw that on the equipment list the other day, I thought it was pretty dumb.  "If you are proficient in playing cards, you get advantage on card games"

Really?  Whatever happened to just plain "gambling"?  It's just a reminder that they're getting caught up in the super minor details that end up requiring a million skills, and that's just dumb.  What next, proficiency in brushing your teeth and how to use a lantern?

I know plenty of people who are great at gambling on card games who cannot gamble worth a shit on craps or sports books. What's your point?

If this is indeed not simply a joke, then it's stupid and can easily be ignored. But there's no logical extension that playing cards = all gambling.
It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.
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