Quote from: Imp;759135I like the character sheet! (possible nitpicking about the "playing cards" thing aside – I'm assuming it was a little joke)

The one way I would armchair-general the whole pregen characters thing is that I'd supply, like, ten of 'em. More than most tables could use, so they could mix & match.

And I suppose you could change the bonds, traits, flaws etc. around a bit if you wanted to put in a bit of extra work?

Quote from: jadrax;759138Its not, Tool proficencies are a big thing.

I belive Proficency in Horses has replaced a Ride skill for example (although that might be Animal Handling).

As I said upthread why couldn't you just roll in all in together and just say with this "tool" you get your profiencency bonus. It seems too clunky and requires unneeded rolls otherwise.

Quote from: Marleycat;759140As I said upthread why couldn't you just roll in all in together and just say with this "tool" you get your profiencency bonus.

I am not sure what you mean?

If you are proficient with the tool you do get your proficency bonus, that is what proficency does.

Quote from: Marleycat;759139And I suppose you could change the bonds, traits, flaws etc. around a bit if you wanted to put in a bit of extra work?

I mentioned this a few days ago, but for the so inclined, you could easily reverse engineer the pregens to have some sort of character generation ability.  Take the racial abilities from the dwarf pregen, and the fighter abilities from this human fighter to have a dwarven fighter, for instance.

Quote from: Marleycat;759132Currently any spell that you have in your spellbook that is specifically noted as ritual means you don't have to prepare it on your short list for the day but can use it in ritual form at any time but it takes 10 minutes to cast. I was thinking of just houseruling any spell in your spellbook that isn't currently prepared can be cast as a ritual.

@Sacrosanct I would just combine the whole mess. And say you can do any gambling but a cards you get +2 to your profiencency.

So what is the purpose of rituals? Why are they not just spells?

Quote from: Bill;759144So what is the purpose of rituals? Why are they not just spells?

Most spells that are ritual are iconic utility spells like Alarm or Knock. Things that are very needed but situationual and/or steal other classes lunch money.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;759143I mentioned this a few days ago, but for the so inclined, you could easily reverse engineer the pregens to have some sort of character generation ability.  Take the racial abilities from the dwarf pregen, and the fighter abilities from this human fighter to have a dwarven fighter, for instance.

Don't see why not because the character sheet looks very transparent and well explained to me.

Quote from: Bill;759144So what is the purpose of rituals? Why are they not just spells?

Basically it means utility spells, sch as Knock, do not take up spell slots (remember, 5th edition gives casters very few spell slots).

You still might memorise them if you really think you will need one in a hurry or are low on cash, but most of the time you will probably cast them ritualistically from your spell book.

Quote from: jadrax;759138Its not, Tool proficencies are a big thing.

I belive Proficency in Horses has replaced a Ride skill for example (although that might be Animal Handling).

Okay... what's the conceptual space between a proficiency and a skill, then? A proficiency applies to a specific type of object? Is playing the lute a proficiency or is it covered by the Performance skill? Do you get a bonus/advantage with skill checks involving objects you're proficient with?

Edit: Oh yeah and do non-weapon and weapon proficiencies come from the same pool, late 1e/2e style?

Quote from: jadrax;759141I am not sure what you mean?

If you are proficient with the tool you do get your proficency bonus, that is what proficency does.

Not quite. Say instead of just being proficient at Animal Handling as per your example you get a bonus with a horse with the right tool. Like Gambling is general but cards are your specialty.

Personality Traits, Ideals, Bonds, Flaws - part of the Starter Set and Basic?  If those actually include mechanics for them, Ouch.  I figured the all the story bullshit would get piled on in the 3 hardbacks, didn't know they'd be laying the foundation in the starter.

Proficiencies - Odd, but I kind of like it.  Proficiency: Playing cards.  So I know how to play card games, I can do gambler like shuffling etc, without assuming I'm great in everything from Poker, to Pick up Sticks, to Chess, to Go.  Dunno about Proficiency: Chess Pieces though, the "Tool" metaphor breaks down for some things.

Interesting approach though, looking forward to my Pre order Starter coming in, even if the story stuff signals the End of Everything As We Know It.

Quote from: Marleycat;759146Most spells that are ritual are iconic utility spells like Alarm or Knock. Things that are very needed but situationual and/or steal other classes lunch money.

Might be good.

So a Wizard can use a knock ritual, but it takes 10 minutes.
The Thief can probably pick locks quickly.

Quote from: Bill;759153Might be good.

So a Wizard can use a knock ritual, but it takes 10 minutes.
The Thief can probably pick locks quickly.

Exactly. There if you absolutely need it but usually some other party member could do it quicker.

Quote from: jadrax;759149Basically it means utility spells, sch as Knock, do not take up spell slots (remember, 5th edition gives casters very few spell slots).

You still might memorise them if you really think you will need one in a hurry or are low on cash, but most of the time you will probably cast them ritualistically from your spell book.

I would like that a lot if there was a limit on spells in your book.
Hopefully it is not trivial to learn them in the first place.

Quote from: CRKrueger;759152Personality Traits, Ideals, Bonds, Flaws - part of the Starter Set and Basic?  If those actually include mechanics for them, Ouch.  I figured the all the story bullshit would get piled on in the 3 hardbacks, didn't know they'd be laying the foundation in the starter.

Proficiencies - Odd, but I kind of like it.  Proficiency: Playing cards.  So I know how to play card games, I can do gambler like shuffling etc, without assuming I'm great in everything from Poker, to Pick up Sticks, to Chess, to Go.  Dunno about Proficiency: Chess Pieces though, the "Tool" metaphor breaks down for some things.

Interesting approach though, looking forward to my Pre order Starter coming in, even if the story stuff signals the End of Everything As We Know It.

No mechanics are attached they are just guideposts really. I suppose you could add heft to them and I have no doubt it will be an option in the DMG. Given they have hinted it would be. Since it would alter the baseline of the entire game if you did something like that.