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Space Marines are Stupid

Started by Ghost Whistler, April 29, 2010, 05:36:46 AM

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Ghost Whistler

April 29, 2010, 05:36:46 AM
At their best they are zealous heavily armed militants who never say die, but do like saying 'for the emperor!'.

At their worst they are genetically egineered inhuman monstrosities in oversized impossible power armour and zealous heavily armed militants who would as happily kill other humans just for looking at them funny.

Adeptus Astartes sounds cool. Space Marines just sounds goofy. They are a weird mix of modern SF gung ho militarism and medieval sensibilities and I've never been 100% comfortable with that dichotomy.

How would you do them differently, in the context of an rpg?
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Spike

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April 29, 2010, 05:49:28 AM
This post is so wrong I'm not sure where I should start in addressing this. Therefore I will merely rate it as a rant, where I give it three raspberries out of a possible ten.
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Cylonophile

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April 29, 2010, 05:57:28 AM
The space marines from 40k are absurd, insane, ridiculous and unthinkable in any serious SF setting.

They are ideally suited for the era of madness and fanaticism that is the warhammer 40k universe, which is the only place they are suited too.
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Ghost Whistler

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April 29, 2010, 06:19:12 AM
Quote from: Spike;377265This post is so wrong I'm not sure where I should start in addressing this. Therefore I will merely rate it as a rant, where I give it three raspberries out of a possible ten.

I'm not being entirely serious. :D

But I'm curious as to how to create a Space Marine type organisation that can function outside the absurdity of the zealous dark millenium.
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Premier

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April 29, 2010, 06:26:24 AM
Quote from: Cylonophile;377266The space marines from 40k are absurd, insane, ridiculous and unthinkable in any serious SF setting.

They are ideally suited for the era of madness and fanaticism that is the warhammer 40k universe, which is the only place they are suited too.

That's because the entire WH40k setting is, in fact, meant to be an absurd, insane, ridiculous, sarcastic parody.

Too bad this goes completely over the head of most fans.
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Tahmoh

#5
April 29, 2010, 06:38:29 AM
At one point in the early days of games workshop every space marine chapter had a hidden secret that once revealed would add to the absurdity of the whole setting...pitty the morons who took over from the original creators missed every single one and thus we ended up with less hidden humour and more thinly veiled religious nuttjobs or nazi's in space which just isnt as fun.

Ghost Whistler

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April 29, 2010, 06:54:15 AM
Quote from: Broken-Serenity;377270At one point in the early days of games workshop every space marine chapter had a hidden secret that once revealed would add to the absurdity of the whole setting...pitty the morons who took over from the original creators missed every single one and thus we ended up with less hidden humour and more thinly veiled religious nuttjobs or nazi's in space which just isnt as fun.
I demand examples.
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Tahmoh

#7
April 29, 2010, 07:17:46 AM
Dark Angels got there name from a poem with the same name thats about being gay but afraid to reveal it lest you face ridicule which gives the hatred between them and the space wolves a whole new level :)

There was also a lost legion known as the rainbow warriors (pretty sure there secret is easier to figure out)

Also i believe the blood angels secret wasnt the vampism thing (that was added late)r but something abit more humourous that sanguinius being and angel was a hint at.

TheShadow

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April 29, 2010, 07:31:57 AM Last Edit: April 29, 2010, 07:37:20 AM by The_Shadow
The whole franchise is cheesy, childish and ridiculous. That's fine in an RPG, so just roll with it.

But sometimes I wonder why 40k fans in particular seem to have that lack of awareness and generally come across as asperger's suffering fanboys, rather than a bunch of dudes rolling dice and having a laugh.

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April 29, 2010, 07:38:32 AM
Paladins, as imagined by cynical Britons?
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April 29, 2010, 08:04:52 AM
Quote from: Premier;377268That's because the entire WH40k setting is, in fact, meant to be an absurd, insane, ridiculous, sarcastic parody.

Too bad this goes completely over the head of most fans.
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thedungeondelver

#11
April 29, 2010, 08:13:01 AM
I have often said that the Empire in WH40k ain't the good guys.

There were no "good" guys until the introduction of the Tau.
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Ghost Whistler

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April 29, 2010, 08:20:17 AM
Quote from: thedungeondelver;377279I have often said that the Empire in WH40k ain't the good guys.

There were no "good" guys until the introduction of the Tau.

Are the Tau what we would consider good? Or just a more media friendly version of the Borg.
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Settembrini

#13
April 29, 2010, 08:36:18 AM
I´ve read somewhere that the honcho in charge after Jackson and Livingston left was a crypto-Nazi who was allegedly not too ironic about it.
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Tahmoh

#14
April 29, 2010, 08:51:44 AM
that would make sense considering the direction the game took after they left.

tau are communists i believe though gw keeps retconning there armies so who knows anymore.
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