Quote from: estar;733228What about me? I contributed a $100 in prize money, and agreed to be one of three judges.

Why did I choose to participate? I have my reasons but mainly is because I like being part of the hobby and this was another opportunity to contribute.

So I have 300+ MI from 200+ participants to plow through and I am 25% the way of the way through.

Wow, that is a lot of material to review. Good luck. Glad your one of the judges.

Quote from: J Arcane;733235Promoting one's blog is fine.

Turning one's blog into a one-man warpath fueled by cheap-shots and self-entitlement just because they make good linkbait isn't.

Fair enough on the Pundit comparison, though I'd suggest says more about Tenkar than any one of us.

I think it does say a bit about us, because our community has had no problems tearing apart failed or lagging crowdfunding projects before, as seen in the Dwimmermount threads (one, two, three and four) and the more recent Exalted 3e thread (in which I myself post a fw of my reservations towards the way they'be handled the 3e Kickstarter, and Exalted in general from the beginning).

As for Pundit, well, I'm not crazy about his little Kulturkampf either, but much like even a broken watch is right twice a day, every now and then he says things that need be said.

I think Tenkar doesn't need the "failstarter" posts any more than Pundit needs to gain the animosity of half the hobby and industry, but I'll be damned if I want a say on how anyone should run a blog. Their only obligation is to own up to what they've said, which, to the best of my knowledge, both have always done.

Quote from: The Butcher;733241I think Tenkar doesn't need the "failstarter" posts any more than Pundit needs to gain the animosity of half the hobby and industry, but I'll be damned if I want a say on how anyone should run a blog. Their only obligation is to own up to what they've said, which, to the best of my knowledge, both have always done.

He can run his blog anyway he likes, and I can feel free to call him a douchebag for how he does it.

His KS warpath is why I stopped following him.

But his cheap shots about Contessa is why I blocked him, and the point in which he officially jumped the shark into pure douchedom.

Quote from: J Arcane;733243He can run his blog anyway he likes, and I can feel free to call him a douchebag for how he does it.

True dat.

Quote from: J Arcane;733243But his cheap shots about Contessa is why I blocked him, and the point in which he officially jumped the shark into pure douchedom.

Missed this particular ruckus. What'd he say?

Quote from: P&P;733210Oh, for Christ's sake.  Eric Tenkar's a perfectly decent and reasonable bloke.  His motive is to have a popular blog.

That is why I put in the ? you know.
Others seem to have had issues with him. Hence why others had issues with the contest.

But yeah - sure, Freak out there man. Freak out.

Quote from: Endless Flight;733238I never said people who make OGL stuff are unimaginative. I said why don't some of those imaginative designers try and see if they can make truly original works not using the OGL.

Fair enough let me rephrase it better.

Would you go to chess club and tell them why don't they make some truly original games rather than play, promote, or publish for chess?

Quote from: Endless Flight;733238Imagine if Chess was the only game in the world and we didn't have Candyland or Chutes and Ladders?? Now that would suck!

However that not the situation in two respects.

The first and most obvious is that classic D&D is not the only tabletop RPG and that classic D&D has successor editions like 3.X, Pathfinder, 4e, etc.

However more telling is that some in OSR have followed your advice and branched out into original games.

What you and many are missing is that there community of people interested in playing, publishing, or promoting classic edition of D&D. That is the point of its existence. That the kaleidoscope of people that make up this group is not static. Some are involved for a short time, others are longer.


If you still don't agree then I challenge you the same way I challenged your criticism, the Pundit's criticisms, if you think we are doing it wrong show, not tell, us how to do it better.

Quote from: estar;733249Fair enough let me rephrase it better.

Would you go to chess club and tell them why don't they make some truly original games rather than play, promote, or publish for chess?

I don't think the intent of my original post was to poo-poo people who make OGL stuff. My intent was that it would be cool if some of these imaginative designers would create new games.

I'd like to see more Steve Kensons in the RPG world. Nothing more should be read from my post.

Quote from: Endless Flight;733250I don't think the intent of my original post was to poo-poo people who make OGL stuff. My intent was that it would be cool if some of these imaginative designers would create new games.

I'd like to see more Steve Kensons in the RPG world. Nothing more should be read from my post.

Who says they aren't?  Everyone "designer" I know of has their own homebrew systems.  But you know what?  No one cares about a person's homebrew (unless they are an established name like Monte, and guess what?  How did he establish his name? .  They care about the games they are familiar with and like playing.  So I think your assumption that they haven't/aren't creating new games is flawed.  

I mean, take my example.  In the past 5 or so years, I've had this readily out there and available:



For the first year or so, I had less than 100 people purchase it.  Only when I went to a free product (later going to pay what you want) did it get any interest (I've now had over 10,000 downloads in the past couple years).  But even at over 10,000 downloads, I bet most people here still haven't heard of it until now.

Quote from: The Butcher;733247True dat.



Missed this particular ruckus. What'd he say?

Here's part of it. http://www.tenkarstavern.com/2014/02/if-you-have-con-and-no-one-shows-did-it.html

Quote from: Gib;733124It is cringe worthy public jerkoffery, imo. Also an attempt to fill the 'power' vacuum created by the absence of guys like Reints and J. Mal.

Hello sir, I see you've been on the guided tour of the OSR before!

Quote from: Gib;733126I make junk for B/X because I play B/X;  however, I have seriously considered making  all my FRPG stuff system neutral. It just seems a little lazy, that's all. My maps and such are already pretty much system neutral. I'm not really interested in making games, though, OGL based or otherwise. I'm satisfied with what I have

Now when you say "system neutral" do you mean system neutral as in "Here's some orcs, they have some gold" or do you mean the ultra-concise OGL style, "There are 10 orcs in this room, they have 8, 5, 10, 7, 4, 4, 3, 6, 8, 9, 2 hit points each.  Each carries 2d12 s.p., the largest (10 HP) has a jeweled dagger worth 150 g.p. and a healing potion." kind of "system neutral"?

Quote from: Sacrosanct;733255Who says they aren't?  Everyone "designer" I know of has their own homebrew systems.  But you know what?  No one cares about a person's homebrew (unless they are an established name like Monte, and guess what?  How did he establish his name? .  They care about the games they are familiar with and like playing.  So I think your assumption that they haven't/aren't creating new games is flawed.  

I mean, take my example.  In the past 5 or so years, I've had this readily out there and available:



For the first year or so, I had less than 100 people purchase it.  Only when I went to a free product (later going to pay what you want) did it get any interest (I've now had over 10,000 downloads in the past couple years).  But even at over 10,000 downloads, I bet most people here still haven't heard of it until now.

Have you made any games that aren't fantasy related? It's not my favorite genre, as I've admitted before.

Quote from: estar;733249Fair enough let me rephrase it better.

Would you go to chess club and tell them why don't they make some truly original games rather than play, promote, or publish for chess?

.

If they were just reprinting the rules to chess again and again with slightly different language and layout I would say they were wasting their time yes.

If they were writing about chess strategy or variant play styles then fine they are doing something useful even if it caters to a niche audience.

Quote from: Endless Flight;733265Have you made any games that aren't fantasy related? It's not my favorite genre, as I've admitted before.

Yes, and non-fantasy games are even more obscure and unknown

Quote from: Sacrosanct;733270Yes, and non-fantasy games are even more obscure and unknown

I've been looking for alternatives to d20 Modern for 10 years. Still haven't found one.