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Author Topic: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...  (Read 5270 times)

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2023, 02:28:46 PM »
Sooo...

The very first reason they gave for updating the OGL was to kick out the bigots, eh? Was this ever an actual issue? What content can they point to and say, "See?! Look at that bigotry!" Naw, this is just gaslighting and an obvious attempt to appeal to the woke brigade.

I honestly think it was NuTSR. I think that's what a lot of this was about all along. They were dragged into an actual legal battle with them after being poked with a stick for a year, and the lawyers involved with that probably said "You know, we should make sure this never happens again."

All other things being equal - if the nuTSR claims to languishing IP had any merit (such as trying to publish a new version of Star Frontiers), then so be it. They're free to live and die like any other business.  Let every individual dispute between parties be litigated separately.

Sure I am just speculating on what I think were the series of events which may have led to this point. Someone said "But it's never been an issue before" but I think it was NuTSR which kicked up this bees nest to begin with.

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2023, 02:29:10 PM »
Sooo...

The very first reason they gave for updating the OGL was to kick out the bigots, eh? Was this ever an actual issue? What content can they point to and say, "See?! Look at that bigotry!" Naw, this is just gaslighting and an obvious attempt to appeal to the woke brigade.

I honestly think it was NuTSR. I think that's what a lot of this was about all along. They were dragged into an actual legal battle with them after being poked with a stick for a year, and the lawyers involved with that probably said "You know, we should make sure this never happens again."

I know someone from nuTSR was scolded for making a few based comments on the interwebs, but I thought the case was purely over trademark issues. NuTSR (afaicr) never even released anything.

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2023, 02:33:49 PM »

Maybe I am Christopher Tolkien and this is what I do when I'm not repackaging my dads stuff?

If you're Christopher Tolkien then I'm Joe Biden... because I'm talking to ghosts.

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2023, 03:22:59 PM »
The Sparkle Troll Brigade is already saying that they are perfectly fine with "kicking out the bigots" but they want their OGL 1.0a to be modified to include such language.
Are they? Source?

They aren't.

The wokest of the woke over on rpg.net are livid at this announcement, are calling WotC liars, and are specifically calling the anti-biogtry clause a bullshit smokescreen. An rpg.net mod is specifically telling people to "stay angry."

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2023, 03:33:56 PM »
The wokest of the woke over on rpg.net are livid at this announcement, are calling WotC liars, and are specifically calling the anti-biogtry clause a bullshit smokescreen. An rpg.net mod is specifically telling people to "stay angry."

As we've seen from the hit pieces by NPR and PBS, Hasbro is going over the heads of rpg.net.

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2023, 03:34:31 PM »
The Sparkle Troll Brigade is already saying that they are perfectly fine with "kicking out the bigots" but they want their OGL 1.0a to be modified to include such language.
Are they? Source?

They aren't.

The wokest of the woke over on rpg.net are livid at this announcement, are calling WotC liars, and are specifically calling the anti-biogtry clause a bullshit smokescreen. An rpg.net mod is specifically telling people to "stay angry."

Uh, oh!
Is antifa going to burn down Seattle over this?

On second thought...

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2023, 03:41:08 PM »
The Sparkle Troll Brigade is already saying that they are perfectly fine with "kicking out the bigots" but they want their OGL 1.0a to be modified to include such language.
Are they? Source?

They aren't.

The wokest of the woke over on rpg.net are livid at this announcement, are calling WotC liars, and are specifically calling the anti-biogtry clause a bullshit smokescreen. An rpg.net mod is specifically telling people to "stay angry."

Because on rpgnet they aren't therefore ALL sparkle trolls aren't... Hasty generalization.
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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2023, 03:47:02 PM »
99% of all the Twitter comments that I see are all rejecting this as a non-apology and distrusting them.

Yeah, this from DnDShorts looks typical (4366 likes):

Seriously, did it EVER cross anyone's minds at
@Wizards
 to just tell the truth to their community?

I count FIVE, instantly provable lies in this statement. How can you ever earn the trust of your community if you just keep lying?


I actually can't find a single pro-WoTC Tweet - unlike the ENW thread.

Yeah. GeekyBugle quoted a tweet in favor of controlling hateful speech, but it was apparently deleted (presumably by its owner).

I haven't checked ENWorld, but several of my Facebook friends have said they're cancelling their D&DBeyond subscriptions.

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2023, 04:12:10 PM »
99% of all the Twitter comments that I see are all rejecting this as a non-apology and distrusting them.

Yeah, this from DnDShorts looks typical (4366 likes):

Seriously, did it EVER cross anyone's minds at
@Wizards
 to just tell the truth to their community?

I count FIVE, instantly provable lies in this statement. How can you ever earn the trust of your community if you just keep lying?


I actually can't find a single pro-WoTC Tweet - unlike the ENW thread.

Yeah. GeekyBugle quoted a tweet in favor of controlling hateful speech, but it was apparently deleted (presumably by its owner).

I haven't checked ENWorld, but several of my Facebook friends have said they're cancelling their D&DBeyond subscriptions.

You didn't search very well then:

https://twitter.com/PauljGarth/status/1613932982984740867

https://twitter.com/onlinetabletop/status/1613939172250632195
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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2023, 04:14:55 PM »
Literally look at the Twitter feed of the annoucement:
https://twitter.com/Wizards_DnD/status/1613931980717957125

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2023, 04:17:16 PM »
The new relaunch of Talislanta just got updated - they've cancelled the 5e version of the game. So only the traditional rules.

Good. We need more of this.

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2023, 04:23:41 PM »
Dear people that said "the enemy of my enemy is my friend, so we're allied with the Woke D&D crowd."

How's that working out for you?

I didn't say.  All the ones I did see say it, used it in a temporary means, such as allying with the Soviets to take out the Nazis.  Doesn't mean you stay friends after the fight is over, or even that you trust your "friends" while the fight is going on. 

In any case, I'm quite happy for A and B to be shooting at each other, when I don't like either one of them.  I'm not allied.  I'm over in the bleachers eating my popcorn.  If in the process of the shooting, some individuals show themselves to have some positive traits, I'll keep that in mind in the future.*

* Translation:  If they put out a product that sounds like something I'd like, I'll consider it.  Unlike the other ones, where it doesn't matter what the product is, I'm not even going to look at it.


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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2023, 04:36:41 PM »
Just peruse the comments, it won't take you long to find them saying:

"If you want to prevent hateful / discriminatory use of the OGL, update the existing with that language and don't change anything else about it at all. Any thing else is unacceptable."
https://twitter.com/Wizards_DnD/status/1613931980717957125

I can't find the first comment you quoted in the link. Maybe the person who posted it deleted it - but if so, that goes to show that it isn't a popular view with any crowd - Sparkly Troll or not.

You didn't search very well then:

https://twitter.com/PauljGarth/status/1613932982984740867

https://twitter.com/onlinetabletop/status/1613939172250632195

Thanks, GeekyBugle, and sorry. I opened the thread you linked, scrolled to the bottom and text searched, but it didn't turn up. It seems to be a limit in text search in the 900+ replies.

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2023, 05:04:37 PM »
So WoTC say:

  "we wanted the ability to prevent the use of D&D content from being included in hateful and discriminatory products".

They also have this disclaimer on products for most versions of D&D they sell on DriveThru:

  "We (Wizards) recognize that some of the legacy content available on this website does not reflect the values of the Dungeons & Dragons franchise today. Some older content may reflect ethnic, racial, and gender prejudice that were commonplace in American society at that time."

Apparently, it's OK for WoTC to make money from hateful and discriminatory products. It's only a problem when other people do that.

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #44 on: January 13, 2023, 05:05:53 PM »
Sooo...

The very first reason they gave for updating the OGL was to kick out the bigots, eh? Was this ever an actual issue? What content can they point to and say, "See?! Look at that bigotry!" Naw, this is just gaslighting and an obvious attempt to appeal to the woke brigade.

I honestly think it was NuTSR. I think that's what a lot of this was about all along. They were dragged into an actual legal battle with them after being poked with a stick for a year, and the lawyers involved with that probably said "You know, we should make sure this never happens again."

I know someone from nuTSR was scolded for making a few based comments on the interwebs, but I thought the case was purely over trademark issues. NuTSR (afaicr) never even released anything.

There were lawsuits of some sort exchanged I believe