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Author Topic: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...  (Read 5269 times)

Effete

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2023, 02:06:45 PM »
Sooo...

The very first reason they gave for updating the OGL was to kick out the bigots, eh? Was this ever an actual issue? What content can they point to and say, "See?! Look at that bigotry!" Naw, this is just gaslighting and an obvious attempt to appeal to the woke brigade.

Trying to pretend the leak wasn't accidental and that the backlash was a calculated ploy to get the community's feedback is the hardest fukken cope I've seen. They had no intention of ever fielding this to the general public until it dropped. Honestly, the leaked worked 100% in their favor, so they aren't wrong when they say they "won" too. Had the new OGL come out as planned, this shitshow would still have happened, only WotC would be stuck with an "authorized" version, not a draft they can say was only a means to test the waters. I can smell the bullshit wafting out of their Seattle office from my house.

Some idiots are buying it, but I'm just glad the ball got rolling first. 3PPs are walking away and aren't likely coming back for a while (the 6e allure, however, will eventually draw them, but it's going to be a rough start for WotC). The indy gaming sector is done with them though. No version of the OGL will entice them, especially with the ORC on the horrizon.

This response was pathetic, and WotC learned nothing. They just hope people will accept their shitty apology and come back. Sad truth is, many will.

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2023, 02:12:01 PM »
Dear people that said "the enemy of my enemy is my friend, so we're allied with the Woke D&D crowd."

How's that working out for you?

Still OK, so far.

Though it was funny seeing Umbran on ENW just now say "Well, the OGL needed an update..." considering how much that's screwing over Morrus & his EN Publishing!

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2023, 02:12:21 PM »
The Sparkle Troll Brigade is already saying that they are perfectly fine with "kicking out the bigots" but they want their OGL 1.0a to be modified to include such language.
Are they? Source?

Just peruse the comments, it won't take you long to find them saying:

"If you want to prevent hateful / discriminatory use of the OGL, update the existing with that language and don't change anything else about it at all. Any thing else is unacceptable."

Or

"Also the text leaves out the following questions:
- Can we still publish new content under 1.0a license?

- Have you abandoned the idea of royalty reports?

Because these two things that will make or break any deal with the creators."

The first one is perfectly fine with the exclusion of whatever WotC deems as "bigots", the second doesn't say so explicitly but it's not against it.

https://twitter.com/Wizards_DnD/status/1613931980717957125

I can't find the first comment you quoted in the link. Maybe the person who posted it deleted it - but if so, that goes to show that it isn't a popular view with any crowd - Sparkly Troll or not.

99% of all the Twitter comments that I see are all rejecting this as a non-apology and distrusting them.

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2023, 02:13:05 PM »
The Sparkle Troll Brigade is already saying that they are perfectly fine with "kicking out the bigots" but they want their OGL 1.0a to be modified to include such language.


How do you modify....you know what, nevermind. If they don't get how WOTC cannot unilaterally modify it, it's probably not worth arguing with them about it.

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2023, 02:14:32 PM »
Dear people that said "the enemy of my enemy is my friend, so we're allied with the Woke D&D crowd."

How's that working out for you?

Still OK, so far.

Though it was funny seeing Umbran on ENW just now say "Well, the OGL needed an update..." considering how much that's screwing over Morrus & his EN Publishing!

Morrus will do anything to keep his gravy train running with as little work as possible.  WOTC taking 25% of his revenue is unacceptable.

Umbran is a shill and we all know that.
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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2023, 02:15:17 PM »
Dear people that said "the enemy of my enemy is my friend, so we're allied with the Woke D&D crowd."

How's that working out for you?

I mean, it did move things in the right direction. The alliance was never going to last beyond killing Sauron so it figures dealing with Saruman afterwards will come down to a smaller group.

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2023, 02:16:12 PM »
99% of all the Twitter comments that I see are all rejecting this as a non-apology and distrusting them.

Yeah, this from DnDShorts looks typical (4366 likes):

Seriously, did it EVER cross anyone's minds at
@Wizards
 to just tell the truth to their community?

I count FIVE, instantly provable lies in this statement. How can you ever earn the trust of your community if you just keep lying?


I actually can't find a single pro-WoTC Tweet - unlike the ENW thread.

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2023, 02:16:38 PM »
Sooo...

The very first reason they gave for updating the OGL was to kick out the bigots, eh? Was this ever an actual issue? What content can they point to and say, "See?! Look at that bigotry!" Naw, this is just gaslighting and an obvious attempt to appeal to the woke brigade.

I honestly think it was NuTSR. I think that's what a lot of this was about all along. They were dragged into an actual legal battle with them after being poked with a stick for a year, and the lawyers involved with that probably said "You know, we should make sure this never happens again."

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2023, 02:17:03 PM »
Dear people that said "the enemy of my enemy is my friend, so we're allied with the Woke D&D crowd."

How's that working out for you?

Just fine honestly. Some are going to be informed and keep on hammering away at WOTC for being disengenous, others will bow out because the outrage is no longer there and the dopamine rush has stopped coming.   They will return when the next THING.TO.BE.OUTRAGED comes around again.

To be fair, some PiB are still hamering them that the OGL doesn't need changing.
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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2023, 02:19:31 PM »
I mean, it did move things in the right direction. The alliance was never going to last beyond killing Sauron so it figures dealing with Saruman afterwards will come down to a smaller group.

WoTC look to be making a pretty strong effort to break off dimwit corporate shills and progressive lefties. They are still trying to cancel OGL 1.0 and it's still important we stick together.

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2023, 02:20:44 PM »
Dear people that said "the enemy of my enemy is my friend, so we're allied with the Woke D&D crowd."

How's that working out for you?

Still OK, so far.

Though it was funny seeing Umbran on ENW just now say "Well, the OGL needed an update..." considering how much that's screwing over Morrus & his EN Publishing!

Death, taxes, and Umbran being a cunt...

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2023, 02:21:50 PM »
Dear people that said "the enemy of my enemy is my friend, so we're allied with the Woke D&D crowd."

How's that working out for you?

I mean, it did move things in the right direction. The alliance was never going to last beyond killing Sauron so it figures dealing with Saruman afterwards will come down to a smaller group.

Careful... you're not licensed to make those references.

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2023, 02:23:56 PM »
Sooo...

The very first reason they gave for updating the OGL was to kick out the bigots, eh? Was this ever an actual issue? What content can they point to and say, "See?! Look at that bigotry!" Naw, this is just gaslighting and an obvious attempt to appeal to the woke brigade.

I honestly think it was NuTSR. I think that's what a lot of this was about all along. They were dragged into an actual legal battle with them after being poked with a stick for a year, and the lawyers involved with that probably said "You know, we should make sure this never happens again."

All other things being equal - if the nuTSR claims to languishing IP had any merit (such as trying to publish a new version of Star Frontiers), then so be it. They're free to live and die like any other business.  Let every individual dispute between parties be litigated separately.

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2023, 02:26:30 PM »
I mean, it did move things in the right direction. The alliance was never going to last beyond killing Sauron so it figures dealing with Saruman afterwards will come down to a smaller group.

WoTC look to be making a pretty strong effort to break off dimwit corporate shills and progressive lefties. They are still trying to cancel OGL 1.0 and it's still important we stick together.

I always want to see the actual text of what we're talking about before I fight it. Let's see. I am pissed at them though, so my eye is even more critical than normal.

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2023, 02:27:36 PM »
Dear people that said "the enemy of my enemy is my friend, so we're allied with the Woke D&D crowd."

How's that working out for you?

I mean, it did move things in the right direction. The alliance was never going to last beyond killing Sauron so it figures dealing with Saruman afterwards will come down to a smaller group.

Careful... you're not licensed to make those references.

Maybe I am Christopher Tolkien and this is what I do when I'm not repackaging my dads stuff?