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Author Topic: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...  (Read 5263 times)

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #105 on: January 15, 2023, 12:16:40 PM »
So they basically want to make money while producing nothing tangible.

Sounds like a bunch of fucking bankers.

And THAT sounds like code. Bankers? Really, the bankers trope? Like, loaning people your money in exchange for value hasn't been proven out over 3000 years to be producing something?

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #106 on: January 15, 2023, 12:21:47 PM »
The Sparkle Troll Brigade is already saying that they are perfectly fine with "kicking out the bigots" but they want their OGL 1.0a to be modified to include such language.
Are they? Source?

Yeah I can confirm its on Reddit, BGG, and even saw it on a video review of the new OGL and they were gloating in the video about how that would make the Right wing upset. Because apparently all the Right are wacists or god knows what.

I suspect it will be the usual double standard. The left say explicitly racist things, but it doesn't count as racism because they choose a new definition of racism. Someone on the right says something innocuous, and then the left interprets it in a bizarre way to "show" that it's racist, and then the right gets booted out.

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #107 on: January 16, 2023, 10:58:09 PM »
You don't say...I didn't even know Tal Epic Edition was planned. Thanks!

they just got me to work on their project (Savage Worlds Talislanta!)

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #108 on: January 17, 2023, 10:25:01 AM »
So they basically want to make money while producing nothing tangible.

Sounds like a bunch of fucking bankers.

And THAT sounds like code. Bankers? Really, the bankers trope? Like, loaning people your money in exchange for value hasn't been proven out over 3000 years to be producing something?

When what they were lending was actual money in the form of precious metals, sure. But nowadays they are lending that which they do not possess to begin with and making money off of the transfer of that which they do not possess.  No bank is taking your $100 in rolled pennies that you put in your passbook savings account and handing it to someone who applied for a car loan or a mortgage.

What they're doing is moving a number from one column to another in a ledger and then charging each other interest when they ask other banks to make their own ledgers match.  *None* of it is real until the point at which someone walks away from a transaction with physical items.

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #109 on: January 17, 2023, 10:28:51 AM »
You don't say...I didn't even know Tal Epic Edition was planned. Thanks!

they just got me to work on their project (Savage Worlds Talislanta!)

Cool!

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #110 on: January 25, 2023, 02:39:14 PM »
Still on the fence as to whether mistakes were made or it's all going according to plan, which just may be their plan.

So WoTC say:

  "we wanted the ability to prevent the use of D&D content from being included in hateful and discriminatory products".

They also have this disclaimer on products for most versions of D&D they sell on DriveThru:

  "We (Wizards) recognize that some of the legacy content available on this website does not reflect the values of the Dungeons & Dragons franchise today. Some older content may reflect ethnic, racial, and gender prejudice that were commonplace in American society at that time."

Apparently, it's OK for WoTC to make money from hateful and discriminatory products. It's only a problem when other people do that.

What's more they'll refuse to identify what they consider to be problematic in their own work if asked. It's whatever the customers who complain tell them it is.

On one hand, it is their product they should be able to do what they want. On the other hand, people have been working with a good faith understanding that the original OGL would not change.

Here's the thing. All WotC had to do was stop declaring new material as Open Content. The entire OneDnD/6e ruleset could have put behind a wall, with an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT license (the one they want the OGL to be) governing it's use. Who would have complained?

The only reason Paizo and the other big 3PPs balked is because they perceived a threat to their brand. If the OGL was left alone and new license agreement invented, I don't think any of this would be as big as it is now. Whoever is in charge at WotC is really fukken stupid.

They don't understand why the OGL increased sales, only that it did, and therefore they need one, even if it isn't.

If I were a shareholder I would want corporate officer and management heads to roll.

Imagine if folks bought shares of #Hasbro instead of doing... whatever else it is they're doing.

I think Brad Walker on his blog wrote an interesting alternate take on the situation:

https://bradfordcwalker.blogspot.com/2023/01/the-business-wankers-leadership-got.html

Equal parts reasonable and unhinged.

When #WotC said 'we' both won, they weren't kidding. The fans got a community to rally behind, and #WotC got to identify all the problematic customers who were a threat to their brand, but I'm not sure this is going to turn out like anyone expects.

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #111 on: January 25, 2023, 03:01:39 PM »
At least the current obese, non-gamer woman with the surname "Williams" isn't trying to shove Buck fucking Rogers down everyone's throat this time around!

That was because she was pocketing royalties for every sale. She also co-opted the printers to publish a BR book she got even more off of.

But her brother was an avid gamer and all around nice fellow. Loraine herself was an overall pleasant person too. She was just also a corporate wolf and valued writers over designers. She was a godsend for a while to novelists. Two of my former players got their starts in writing due to her. Very yin-yang gal.

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #112 on: January 26, 2023, 04:10:49 AM »
they just got me to work on their project (Savage Worlds Talislanta!)

1) Congrats!!

2) Are you writing a specific section or the entire book?

3) Will you be able to discuss your playtests along the way?

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #113 on: January 26, 2023, 06:05:51 AM »
At least the current obese, non-gamer woman with the surname "Williams" isn't trying to shove Buck fucking Rogers down everyone's throat this time around!

That was because she was pocketing royalties for every sale. She also co-opted the printers to publish a BR book she got even more off of.

But her brother was an avid gamer and all around nice fellow. Loraine herself was an overall pleasant person too. She was just also a corporate wolf and valued writers over designers. She was a godsend for a while to novelists. Two of my former players got their starts in writing due to her. Very yin-yang gal.

Huh, that might explain why I liked the settings from her reign. What a weird mix life can leave you with.
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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #114 on: January 26, 2023, 02:51:17 PM »
At least the current obese, non-gamer woman with the surname "Williams" isn't trying to shove Buck fucking Rogers down everyone's throat this time around!

That was because she was pocketing royalties for every sale. She also co-opted the printers to publish a BR book she got even more off of.

But her brother was an avid gamer and all around nice fellow. Loraine herself was an overall pleasant person too. She was just also a corporate wolf and valued writers over designers. She was a godsend for a while to novelists. Two of my former players got their starts in writing due to her. Very yin-yang gal.


That's the only positive text I've ever read, regarding L. Williams.  The legend of what a terrible person she was, has always drowned out any humanity she may have had.
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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #115 on: January 26, 2023, 02:55:17 PM »
That's the only positive text I've ever read, regarding L. Williams.  The legend of what a terrible person she was, has always drowned out any humanity she may have had.


   She was also very accommodating of William W. Connors when he had just started at TSR and faced a family emergency that made him think he was going to have to leave the job.

   Everything I've heard suggests Williams was far from perfect as a manager of TSR, but I think a lot of her legacy has been tarnished by partisans of Gygax on the one hand and WotC on the other.

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #116 on: January 26, 2023, 03:31:40 PM »
I've heard that she didn't quite understand that playtesting is kind of necessary for a gaming company, and as a result didn't like the developers, y'know, playing the games.

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #117 on: January 26, 2023, 03:44:44 PM »
I've heard that she didn't quite understand that playtesting is kind of necessary for a gaming company, and as a result didn't like the developers, y'know, playing the games.

   Maybe, but I've also heard that that might be an urban legend rather than a well-sourced fact.

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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #118 on: January 26, 2023, 11:17:51 PM »
 Chris Cocks(ucker) and Cynthia Lorraine Williams can eat a bag of d*cks.
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Re: So WOTC reacted to the backlash...
« Reply #119 on: January 27, 2023, 12:23:22 AM »
Chris Cocks(ucker) and Cynthia Lorraine Williams can eat a bag of d*cks.

They might actually enjoy that.
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