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So now are PDF prices gonna go up?

Started by The Evil DM, October 26, 2006, 06:16:43 PM

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Mcrow

#45
October 27, 2006, 01:28:54 PM
Quote from: flyingmiceI'd send you back your money without a word. I've done it before and I'll do it again. The "pirates" violate my IP. I choose not to sell ransom-ware or charity-ware. If you choose to deal this way, don't look to me for support.

In my personal opinion Copyright law is seriously broken, but until there is a better solution, I can take no other stance. If I do, I lose my Copyright, and my IP becomes public domain. By law. If a Copyright isn't defended, it becomes worthless.

Understand?

-clash

I think If I were a publisher and someone did that for one of my games that I would be more offended that if they just stole it outright.

flyingmice

#46
October 27, 2006, 01:29:58 PM
Bill:

For me, in a heartbeat. I'm posting this up on our internal website for the other Imprint owners to comment on.

-clash
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Mcrow

#47
October 27, 2006, 01:34:48 PM
:emot-rock: am I hearing that Hinterwelt and Bettermouse trap might be join forces?

That would be a dream team.

Caesar Slaad

#48
October 27, 2006, 01:42:41 PM
Curious from publishers...

Does this "exclusivity" agreement include the publishers having their own web store on their site?

I'm thinking no, but wondering.
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mearls

#49
October 27, 2006, 01:43:52 PM
I've never understood why PDF publishers do their sales through a third party site. Unless the publisher lacks the technical expertise or money needed to set up an online store, I'm not clear on what benefit a site like DTRPG or RPG Now offers.

In theory, those sites bring all the PDF consumers into one place. However, a publisher still needs to drive interest in his products through ads, press releases, posts at the pro-PDF boards (EN World, maybe RPG.net), and everything else. Is there really much to gain by sending people who are ready to spend money on your stuff to someone else's web site?
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flyingmice

#50
October 27, 2006, 01:44:34 PM
No, it doesn't Ceasar. We can have our own sales on our own website and not violate the exclusivity.

-clash
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flyingmice

#51
October 27, 2006, 01:48:35 PM
Quote from: mearlsI've never understood why PDF publishers do their sales through a third party site. Unless the publisher lacks the technical expertise or money needed to set up an online store, I'm not clear on what benefit a site like DTRPG or RPG Now offers.

In theory, those sites bring all the PDF consumers into one place. However, a publisher still needs to drive interest in his products through ads, press releases, posts at the pro-PDF boards (EN World, maybe RPG.net), and everything else. Is there really much to gain by sending people who are ready to spend money on your stuff to someone else's web site?

There is if you don't have the technical expertise or time to set up your own site. The best thing about mega sites is that they are like malls, catching the people who have money to spend but may never have heard of you.

-clash
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flyingmice

#52
October 27, 2006, 01:49:09 PM
Quote from: Mcrow:emot-rock: am I hearing that Hinterwelt and Bettermouse trap might be join forces?

That would be a dream team.

My thoughts exactly! :D

-clash
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jrients

#53
October 27, 2006, 02:09:39 PM
Quote from: mearlsI've never understood why PDF publishers do their sales through a third party site. Unless the publisher lacks the technical expertise or money needed to set up an online store, I'm not clear on what benefit a site like DTRPG or RPG Now offers.

In theory, those sites bring all the PDF consumers into one place. However, a publisher still needs to drive interest in his products through ads, press releases, posts at the pro-PDF boards (EN World, maybe RPG.net), and everything else. Is there really much to gain by sending people who are ready to spend money on your stuff to someone else's web site?

I'm pretty sure more than half of the PDFs I've bought off of RPGnow were items I didn't know existed prior to flipping through the site.  Would I have found that stuff without a multi-publisher store?  Maybe.
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flyingmice

#54
October 27, 2006, 02:10:50 PM
Quote from: jrientsI'm pretty sure more than half of the PDFs I've bought off of RPGnow were items I didn't know existed prior to flipping through the site.  Would I have found that stuff without a multi-publisher store?  Maybe.

I think that's typical. These places are set up for impulse shopping.

-clash
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Last Releases: SC4 - Dark Orbital, SC4 - Out of the Ruins,  SC4 - Sabre & World
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Silverlion

#55
October 27, 2006, 02:11:01 PM
Whoa. I respect Hinterwelt a great deal, I'd have no personal issues with such a move.
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#56
October 27, 2006, 02:24:36 PM
Guys - please don't take offense.  As I said, I do not believe in the entire "I don't like the way X treats me so I'm going to take their stuff" argument that started lo these many years ago with mp3's.  It was just a question - though after your response an admittedly stupid one.  I forgot about the part where if you don't defend your copyright, it's public domain.

While I don't have any of your games now, mostly due to lack of time or money for new games, I admire what you're doing and hope you can find a good solution for you and your customers.
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flyingmice

#57
October 27, 2006, 02:32:52 PM
No offense was meant, and no offense taken, James! I was just trying to point out the facts. I just hope that someday someone can fix the IP laws so that they work properly and seamlessly, and promote rather than prevent innovation and creativity.

-clash
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T-Willard

#58
October 27, 2006, 02:40:28 PM
Wow, some of the discussion damn near borders on "Wanna go outside about it?:"
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Nicephorus

#59
October 27, 2006, 02:40:52 PM
I've bought a fair amount of pdfs but I've never bought one from browsing rpgnow or the other sites. The previews are usually too small to get a handle on the material like I can with flipping through a book.  

The typical first purchase from a publisher for me is based off of word of mouth (in person or online) then I find reviews and look at the publisher's website.  If I buy, I go wherever the publisher links to.  For buyers like me, a pdf vendor adds zero sales.

Maybe a few of the small publishers should try doing a few polls on their website about initial sales/how the buyer first heard of them to see how typical of a buyer I am, to gauge how feasible a small collective is likely to be.
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