Quote from: technoextreme;564364You do realize that depending on the state you can successfully counter-sue for damages because the lawsuit is nothing more than an attempt at censorship right???

Well well, who do we have here?

There is no state where you can counter sue for censorship because censorship is only something that can be done by a duly appointed public censor's office.

Interestingly, there is also no state where you cannot sue for damaging and malicious rumour mongering (aka libel).

If I were you I'd give that particular fact a good hard think before you run into someone without Brendan's peculiar ethical mores.

Quote from: jhkimThey might be wrong about Golarion, but some RPG products are racist, and people should say so rather than just letting it pass. If they're wrong, I'd say argue that they're wrong rather than arguing that it's invalid to call anything racist.

Quote from: S'mon;564276Unless you're talking about RaHoWa, I would not go there. Sometimes real racists do make RPGs, as RaHoWa demonstrates, but when you start trying to dig up racism in mainstream products you are no better than an rpgnetter.

Sure, RaHoWa and white supremacists are bad, but I think less virulent racism is also important.  

For example, a company recruiter might be a little quicker to put a resume with the name "Lakisha" in the rejection bin than one with the name "Emily".  Those names are typical of a study published in 2009 by the National Bureau of Economic Research, which found that the exact same resumes with white-sounding names had a 50% higher callback rate than if they had distinctively African-American names - across a broad range of companies.  

This isn't virulent racism anything like RaHoWa.  The recruiter might not even realize she is doing it, but that bias is really damn important to Lakisha's life.  Things that contribute to these biases are at least worth discussing.

Quote from: nitril;564367Making other people miserable and starting up shitstorms?

Honestly that is the fault of the idiots who get miserable over such questions.  

QuoteGolarian is a kitchen sink setting. If it hews close to stereotypes, that's because Paizo wants to make broadly popular products. If Golarion was as realistic as Harn, or as strange as Talislanta, it would have real trouble hosting a variety of adventures.

I said this earlier on in the thread but you can have a kitchen sink setting without invoking stereotypes.  There is a huge difference in quality between Eberron and Golarion which are both kitchen sink settings.

Quote from: The Traveller;564370Well well, who do we have here?

There is no state where you can counter sue for censorship because censorship is only something that can be done by a duly appointed public censor's office.

Interestingly, there is also no state where you cannot sue for damaging and malicious rumour mongering (aka libel).

If I were you I'd give that particular fact a good hard think before you run into someone without Brendan's peculiar ethical mores.

Yes it is.  You're describing a form of censorship which is called the SLAPP lawsuit. Its actually a type of lawsuit meant to censor people through legal strongarm tactics that really have no merit. So much so that its actually on the laws in 28 out of the 50 states in the United States and there is a federal law which also prevents that type of censorship.

Quote from: technoextreme;564372Yes it is.  Your moronically describing a form of censorship.  So much so that its actually on the laws in 28 out of the 50 states in the United States and there is a federal law which also prevents that type of censorship.

Hahaha! Ahhh jeez I haven't laughed that hard in years, kudos. You think you can say what you like because CENSORSHIP? Oh baby are you going to get fucked by the lawyers.

Edit: oho, editing now are we. SLAPP legislation has no meaning when libel can be proven with malice aforethought. I believe this can be shown in the case of Ettin and a couple of others.

Quote from: technoextreme;564364Well probably because he has a life

Given the particular target he chose to pin his hopes for a crusade on, I seriously doubt it.

Quote from: technoextreme;564372Honestly that is the fault of the idiots who get miserable over such questions. [\QUOTE]

You do have a point there, but don't you think he gets a kick out of it?

Well they closed the thead over there and from the way mengstu was talking it seems that at least a few of the mods and admins have grown tired of the shitstorm it caused(basically hinted that a sequal thread shouldnt be started unless more people want banning), so i guess ettin got his amusement and can now go gloat about how many people he suckered into getting banned with his latest thread whilst looking for his next target.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;564342aww.  They shouldn't.  It's just SA goons trolling for lulz/leftojustice.

Checked your PMs lately?

Quote from: jhkim;564371This isn't virulent racism anything like RaHoWa.  The recruiter might not even realize she is doing it, but that bias is really damn important to Lakisha's life.  Things that contribute to these biases are at least worth discussing.

It's true, things that do contribute to these biases are worth discussing.  However, if you hold a picture in your mind of the perfect corporate employee and then compare that with the image that Emily, Mariko and Latisha bring to mind, those are biases sure, and unfair biases, but are they completely irrational biases?  People don't generate biases in a vacuum, but of course that's an infinitely larger off-topic conversation.  That same recruiter is also likely to place Emily above Buffy, Tori, or Christine spelled "Krissteen" and that's got nothing to do with race, even though that person is making assumptions about the other person's ability, lifestyle, and culture based solely on name.

I think however, that claiming "lazy" or broad-based world-building using easily understood historical analogues and tropes is evidence of casual, low-level yet systemic racism is a bit of a stretch and requires a little more rigorous examination.

Unless you can make a case that the caucasian cultural analogues in Golarion are less lazy, more historically accurate, or less stereotypical then the non-caucasian ones, then there is no weight to the argument.  But I'm one of those knuckle-dragging barbarians that think that having different standards of racism based on race is itself racism, so what do I know.

Quote from: Marleycat;564046Please, take your personal "white man guilt" somewhere else . The guy is Korean and knows racism deeper than you'll ever meet in your lifetime if you're lucky. I'm not even going to go into my personal experience.

Point is I can flat list pure racism against me but who cares? I rise above it and get the last laugh EVERY FUCKING DAY that passes.

@Jkim, you gotta stop using that awesome avatar because you're heavily tempting me to go back to Olivia.

I think the phrase you are looking for is:

Check your privilege!

Quote from: jhkim;564371For example, a company recruiter might be a little quicker to put a resume with the name "Lakisha" in the rejection bin than one with the name "Emily".  Those names are typical of a study published in 2009 by the National Bureau of Economic Research, which found that the exact same resumes with white-sounding names had a 50% higher callback rate than if they had distinctively African-American names - across a broad range of companies.  

This would still be true if you normalised for race - if eg there was a photo of the same black woman with each application - because the name indicates more than just race, it indicates social class origin too.

Quote from: S'mon;564388This would still be true if you normalised for race - if eg there was a photo of the same black woman with each application - because the name indicates more than just race, it indicates social class origin too.

Also, if you are talking about corporations, HR might also kick back a white girl named Siobhan.  Mass-market HR is about the norm.  Certain places and roles need the free-thinkers, the creative types, the "uniques", others desire the person who is going to fit in as one of the crowd.  Again, that's another conversation having little to do with race.

Quote from: nitril;564379You do have a point there, but don't you think he gets a kick out of it?

No because it just gets really painful to actually watch it happen on a regular basis.

It's painful to watch a deliberate shitstorm you create become a deliberate shitstorm?

SA's just finding out how much fun purple can be as a mindless tool.

Quote from: CRKrueger;564393SA's just finding out how much fun purple can be as a mindless tool.

That's the whole purpose of the grognards.txt thread in SA though, right?

I mean, the majority of posts there are pulled from other forums that they laugh at, so starting a thread on a major forum to start a shitstorm is exactly what they want because it gives them more quotes to post on SA.

So yeah, it seems like threads like that are totally created because they get their kicks out of it.  You'd think someone at TBP on the admin staff is aware of SA and can put 2 and 2 together.