So, Anyone Running a Star Wars Ep. VII Game Yet?

crkrueger · January 16, 2016, 03:58:15 PM

Quote from: Christopher Brady;873549You know. I come here with a rather, personally, unique problem.

See, I was playing in the various SW games by FFG, namely Force and Destiny, and I had no idea that this particular group was very much sticklers for Canon. And with the Lucas Canon being pretty much open to most of the stuff as long as it didn't contradict the six movies and some of the cartoons, everyone in the group was happy.

Now, that Ep. 7 is out, and the fact that nothing is canon outside of about 15 planets, 6 of which are now dust... It's killed the games.

Nar Shadaa, Nal Hutta, Sorroco, Taris... all gone, and they happened to be the main planets we played on to not 'interfere' with the canon.

Personally, I've of the opinion that the moment you allow PC's into a movie universe, you've killed the canon, it's full on fantasy land now. But half my current group doesn't think that way...

So no more going to Nar Shadaa because Canon, the planet literally vanishes from Time and Space...until it gets mentioned offhand in a cartoon short as part of the advertising for Episode IX, then your PCs can go there again?"

Jesus Wept, play with some humans instead of robots.

Endless Flight · January 16, 2016, 05:07:58 PM

15 planets?

There was at least twenty shown or mentioned in the seven movies and probably at least that many, probably more, in the Clone Wars cartoon. The Marvel comics are all canon as well, and a few of the new books.

I would say there's at least 50 that are canon.

Shrieking Banshee · January 16, 2016, 06:05:10 PM

Im just so utterly shocked as to what to do with this new setting of Post Star Wars 7

It may be a good movie Standalone (7/10) but its miserable as a sequel (2/10).

Like what can take place in it? The same shit as before? More miserable back and fourth empire vs resistance?

Its just such a hard reset. If anything it makes the Empire seem utterly undefeatable (And not in a "Im intimidated" sort of way) and the Good guys like idiots. Power of the force my ass.

Just wasn't anybody else bothered by how HARD the imagery was rebooted? Like, did it have to be the Death Star MKIII?

Edit:

Quite frankly If I do another SW game, its taking place in older EU. Not This new garbage.

Armchair Gamer · January 16, 2016, 06:32:22 PM

There is a lot of room for post-TFA speculation and world-building, but the film itself does give us a lot of Episode IV redux combined with (in the ancillary material) historical parallels that make the Prequels look subtle.

And there's a disturbing undercurrent of cynicism as well, but I'm reserving judgment on that and several other points until we get more on 'the balance of the Force'.

Note that I grew up with the EU, so I'm not the most objective source--and I think Episode III was better than Episode VII, so I'm also a monster.

Shrieking Banshee · January 16, 2016, 06:36:19 PM

Like, what is there NEW in the 7 Universe that I couldn't do before in the 4-6 Universe?

Armchair Gamer · January 16, 2016, 06:55:59 PM

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;873812Like, what is there NEW in the 7 Universe that I couldn't do before in the 4-6 Universe?

Not much unless you really want to extrapolate from the destruction of the Senate and get into sustaining and rebuilding the New Republic with the First Order lurking in the shadows--which is not much different from post-Episode VI, come to think of it.

Montjoy · January 16, 2016, 07:01:51 PM

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;873812Like, what is there NEW in the 7 Universe that I couldn't do before in the 4-6 Universe?

I'd focus more on the between 6 and 7 years.
Could run with the post WWI type stuff. That can be interesting to play.

Playing part of what is basically a rogue operation that the legitimate government finds extremely distasteful(The Resistance) working against the remnants of a former foe (The Empire) they find even more distasteful. All while trying hard to pretend neither really have any power or even exist.

Shrieking Banshee · January 16, 2016, 07:10:43 PM

Quote from: Montjoy;873814I'd focus more on the between 6 and 7 years.
Could run with the post WWI type stuff. That can be interesting to play.

Playing part of what is basically a rogue operation that the legitimate government finds extremely distasteful(The Resistance) working against the remnants of a former foe (The Empire) they find even more distasteful. All while trying hard to pretend neither really have any power or even exist.

It then becomes the frustrating kind of stupid that existed during the Yuzong Vong War:

"Whats this? The empire is violating every peace treaty and building a massive army? Send some BS force against them"

This is stupid. What should have happened was that the Republic sees the massive break in the peace treaty and fucking destroy the Empire.

The End

Its just so aggressively lazy. Fucking Hell JJ is a hack.

Edit: And If I wanted what was between 6-7 I could pick up the ORIGINAL EU which did this crap better!

Montjoy · January 16, 2016, 07:19:37 PM

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;873817It then becomes the frustrating kind of stupid that existed during the Yuzong Vong War:

"Whats this? The empire is violating every peace treaty and building a massive army? Send some BS force against them"

This is stupid. What should have happened was that the Republic sees the massive break in the peace treaty and fucking destroy the Empire.

The End

Its just so aggressively lazy. Fucking Hell JJ is a hack.

Edit: And If I wanted what was between 6-7 I could pick up the ORIGINAL EU which did this crap better!

That's your opinion, which is fine of course.
I personally thought 99% of the EU was utter shit and was quite happy to see it flushed.

I'd add though, that I don't believe the Republic believed what the Resistance was telling them about the First Order.
They were in pure denial mode and paid for that the hard way.
They pushed so hard for disarmament and steadfastly stuck their head in the sand that members like Leia actually left the senate.

Shrieking Banshee · January 16, 2016, 07:26:02 PM

Quote from: Montjoy;873818That's your opinion, which is fine of course.
I personally thought 99% of the EU was utter shit and was quite happy to see it flushed.

Its sure was. But replacing it with something even MORE deeply uncreative is not good on my book. Like at least in the EU they never fully did another Deathstar. It was at the very least never completed.

QuoteI'd add though, that I don't believe the Republic believed what the Resistance was telling them about the First Order.
They were in pure denial mode and paid for that the hard way.
They pushed so hard for disarmament and steadfastly stuck their head in the sand that members like Leia actually left the senate.

Man, how much BETTER this is then the EU. This is NOTHING like the EU right? So glad the EU got flushed to begin with something so fresh!

This is literally right out of some of the worst aspects of the EU. The real reason this is happening is that X-Wing Redesigns would sell better then a new spaceship design.

This is what bugs me. The EU does deserve shit. But for the 7th film to just do all of the worst exact same shit- And for the people to suddenly laud it as amazing works of grace is maddening.

Montjoy · January 16, 2016, 07:35:24 PM

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;873820Its sure was. But replacing it with something even MORE deeply uncreative is not good on my book. Like at least in the EU they never fully did another Deathstar. It was at the very least never completed.

Man, how much BETTER this is then the EU. This is NOTHING like the EU right? So glad the EU got flushed to begin with something so fresh!

This is literally right out of some of the worst aspects of the EU. The real reason this is happening is that X-Wing Redesigns would sell better then a new spaceship design.

This is what bugs me. The EU does deserve shit. But for the 7th film to just do all of the worst exact same shit- And for the people to suddenly laud it as amazing works of grace is maddening.

Again it comes down to opinion mate and it's fine for you not to like it.

I still think it was superior to the EU, and I've yet to meet a single person who would consider it an "amazing work of grace".
It was an enjoyable movie, period. That was the extent of what it tried to do.
Expecting a single entry into an entertainment franchise to somehow live up to and overshadow 20+ years of stories seems a little to much to expect.

Endless Flight · January 16, 2016, 08:49:00 PM

No Star Wars movie after The Empire Strikes Back is going to be Earth shattering, which is why, in my mind, it will always remain the greatest in the series. It had it all; interesting characters and development, diverse and mysterious locales, exciting action, and the stakes were high. Plus, the greatest reveal in movie history.

Montjoy · January 16, 2016, 09:30:51 PM

Quote from: Endless Flight;873825No Star Wars movie after The Empire Strikes Back is going to be Earth shattering, which is why, in my mind, it will always remain the greatest in the series. It had it all; interesting characters and development, diverse and mysterious locales, exciting action, and the stakes were high. Plus, the greatest reveal in movie history.

...and don't forget dialogue free of that Lucas special touch

Shrieking Banshee · January 17, 2016, 01:45:33 AM

Quote from: Montjoy;873822Again it comes down to opinion mate and it's fine for you not to like it.

I still think it was superior to the EU, and I've yet to meet a single person who would consider it an "amazing work of grace".
It was an enjoyable movie, period. That was the extent of what it tried to do.
Expecting a single entry into an entertainment franchise to somehow live up to and overshadow 20+ years of stories seems a little to much to expect.

Well thats contradictory. Your saying it overshadows the EU, but then Im not expected to see it be in any form better then the pretty gosh darn low Standards of the EU as well.

Well I would give 7 a pass for being just a movie, but it wasn't just trying to be enjoyable. It had way too many callbacks on old films, too much repetition and too much "Oh my god, its Harrison Ford!" for me to respect it in any way as a standalone product.

Montjoy · January 17, 2016, 02:42:21 AM

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;873880Well thats contradictory. Your saying it overshadows the EU, but then Im not expected to see it be in any form better then the pretty gosh darn low Standards of the EU as well.

Well I would give 7 a pass for being just a movie, but it wasn't just trying to be enjoyable. It had way too many callbacks on old films, too much repetition and too much "Oh my god, its Harrison Ford!" for me to respect it in any way as a standalone product.

No, I didn't tell you that you were supposed to find it superior.
I said that I found it superior.
There is no conflict there.
You are perfectly free to find it inferior.