Quote from: Persimmon on May 27, 2022, 03:04:45 PM
Another observation I have about that site in general is how much the discourse resembles that of Maoist China.  Everyone falls over themself to proclaim their "revolutionary credentials" and attack the latest proclaimed oppressor, enemy, splittist, hegemon, or whatever.  But the wind will change soon enough and no matter what side you pick, you'll eventually become the target.

That's the gawds own truth. The amount of posters over there that have been censored/beaten into submission should warn them.....but they're comfortable with the oppressive mods and want to remain a part of that horrid place.

Quote from: Gegilles on May 26, 2022, 11:27:27 AM
Yes it's me

If I want politics, I'll watch the news.

Get that shite the heck out of my dungeon crawling lol

I put the celebration of the game, its history, and my respect for Gygax first.

I made the comment because there's a group that seems to...expect it now. So...don't expect it lol

Not in my games.

I know my core supporters. They aren't tourists. They are the core of the hobby.

I'm not going to disappoint that group.

That's how I feel about it, in all honesty.

Welcome to theRPGsite!

Let me say that Barrowmaze is, bar none, the single best dungeon adventure in the history of the OSR.  If your new book is up to that standard it'll be well worth having I'm sure.

I've got a copy of Barrowmaze and I really like it. Somehow I didn't hear about Dwarrowdeep until it was too late.  Any word on late backing or how to still support this/get a copy?  I want to support for all the same reasons that have been mentioned. I appreciate keeping politics out of gaming.  I long for the good old days when politics wasn't involved in everything. 

Quote from: GhostNinja on May 27, 2022, 08:46:49 AM

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Quote from: GhostNinja on May 25, 2022, 10:18:12 AM

Didn't someone on here ask the question about what would happen if you created an RPG and called in "Non Woke"?   

Guess we know what happens.  Snowflakes will get offended

We already knew that would happen because that is what always happens. Every time anyone bucks the woke agenda they get slapped with Natzi and whatever.

And even if you do not. They will eventually hallucinate some offense and do it anyhow.

Yeah, now that there is a beginning of backlash against wokeness and SJW's and their "Safety Tools" never taking off, they are flailing because that minute inkling of power they had is fading away.

8 years to the next wave. At the current rate things are going there wont be enough cool down phase before it starts building momentum again, and likely worse. Places like BGG, Drive-thru and RPG.net will still be in power and poisoning minds as they show no signs of collapse. And these are just tiny festering wounds in a severely infested body of media as a whole. Major and minor bombs have not only not curb hollywoods woke agenda. They have stepped up the production.

And we have yet to see the all the fucked up woke products already in development.

This on top of whatever footholds they have gained in schools. And lets not forget that colleges are bastions of this mental disease and spread it far and wide. And this is the real heart of this plague. Long as they can keep indoctrinating new generations with their pogroms its not going to stop ever.

This is wave 3 I've been through. Each worse than the last.

Greetings!

I love how in Hungary, Woke teachers and professors have been banned and fired from any teaching position. They fucking Reee! Reee! about it of course, but to no avail. Brilliant move on the Hungarian government's part in getting a strong grip on the fucking incubating nest factory where all this bullshit begins.

The teachers and professors use every opportunity to indoctrinate and brainwash young students day in and day out, day after day, with their lectures, their films, their classroom handouts, their guest speakers, their textbooks, and the supplemental books used for the class in addition to the official textbook.

All of this Marxist brainwashing creates the kinds of people that want to cancel Gillespie and his game books. It is so sad and frustrating that these people even exist, but everyone in the game hobby must stand strong and resist them at every opportunity, and crush them.

The gaming hobby in general, is under threat, and within that hobby space, the OSR is a particular target for the Marxist hordes.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Good for Greg; hope he has tenure and can weather what's coming. And right on, it is a dwarf-themed dungeon, not an exercise in Maoism-Thirdworldism.

Quote from: SHARK on May 29, 2022, 01:49:49 AMI love how in Hungary, Woke teachers and professors have been banned and fired from any teaching position. They fucking Reee! Reee! about it of course, but to no avail. Brilliant move on the Hungarian government's part in getting a strong grip on the fucking incubating nest factory where all this bullshit begins.

That's not even remotely the case: neither bannings, nor firings have taken place, and universities are still dominantly left-leaning (although that's more like leftover Clinton-style neo-liberalism than the woke plague). Now, state support has been suspended for gender studies - meaning it can be taught, but must be financed privately - and the Soros-founded Central European University moved some of its operations to Vienna after it lost its previous privileges (imagine something like Disneyland's special status in Florida, and how it came to an end).

Discrimination against conservative staff - which was still going in the 2000s - is a lot less common these days, and the people who try to engage in it have a lot less power to do their tricks. For one, nobody pays attention to the newspapers that would be doing a cancellation, so these tools are a lot less effective (ironically, they are only effective against the leftists who still read them).

This balance/interregnum is really preferrable to an opposite situation where the right would run the institutions like the libs used to. We voted to get rid of that crap, not recreate it with a different colour.

While our universities are indeed hotbeds of attempted liberal indoctrination and many students unthinkingly self-identify as being "progressive" or "liberal" without actually having any idea what it means, the reality is that the vast majority of students are completely uninformed and unaware of what's really happening in the world beyond social media.  They don't read the books we assign, regardless of topic.  They don't come to class; they don't attend guest lectures unless they get extra credit. 

The truly sad thing is that the only thing most universities care about these days is customer satisfaction, which means student evaluations of faculty.  And these contain questions about the faculty member's "compassion" but ignore things like academic expertise.  So my liberal colleagues just coddle the students, letting them design their own tests, which are often then take-home, allowing them to watch movies to replace low grades, giving them the chance to re-write any papers, etc.  One of my colleagues in the History department doesn't even assign reading in his intro level classes anymore!  That would be like not assigning problems in a math class.  This is the same guy who lets students make their own tests.  He is lauded as one of the best "teachers" on campus and has a Distinguished Professor title.  But his students don't learn jack shit as I frequently see when they end up in my classes.  After the 2016 election, the university created a "safe space" in the library where students could freakin' color to assuage their trauma.  Yes, they provided coloring books.

Because I strive to maintain a semblance of standards (only 1 student in my upper level course got an A last semester), the students tend to fear and dislike me and I get flak from some of my colleagues.  Luckily I'm tenured, though that means little around here.  To bring the subject back to Greg & his classes, if you read the reviews of his stuff on Drive Thru RPG, it's interesting that most of the negative reviews are from disgruntled students of his who had to buy one of his books for his RPG history class.  Having to work & be accountable is the last thing most of today's college students want. 

So who knows how bad things will be in the ensuing decades when these people enter the real world with their empty credentials?

Quote from: Persimmon on May 25, 2022, 12:46:26 AM
So Greg Gillespie of Barrowmaze, Archaia & Highfell fame is about to release his newest megadungeon--a dwarf themed one called Dwarrowdeep.  In a recent update he included the following statement:

"If you enjoy an adventure steeped in the history and lore of the game, medieval fantasy, dwarves, and Anglo-Saxon history - and devoid of woke nonsense - this will be right up your alley."

This hilariously sparked outrage from SJWs and pronoun choosers as they decried him as Fascist (of course), etc. for his use of the term "woke nonsense" and his policy of keeping his products devoid of unnecessary contemporary politics or culture war references.

So Greg clarified what he meant by "woke non-sense," saying: "A project that puts good gaming and solid dungeon crawling first and does not espouse a heavy handed politic."

This triggered some folks even more.  So Greg clarified further:

1. That this project kicks ass.

2. That despite a myriad of setbacks I'm ahead of schedule.

3. That I take the responsibility people entrust in me seriously and that I won't allow failure.

4. You can expect an early delivery.

Thank you for your comments.

If you would prefer to back ideological-driven projects in the future, please do so."

This provoked some to cancel their pledges, though others fully supported Greg.  Ridiculous just how unhinged some people have become and how easily triggered they are.

Thank you for posting about this. Wish I had seen this before the Kickstarter completed. Now I am interested in it. Though $80 is a tad steep. And from how I am reading it, you also have to pay an extra $11-$13 to get it printed?

Quote from: Gegilles on May 26, 2022, 11:27:27 AM
Yes it's me

If I want politics, I'll watch the news.

Get that shite the heck out of my dungeon crawling lol

I put the celebration of the game, its history, and my respect for Gygax first.

I made the comment because there's a group that seems to...expect it now. So...don't expect it lol

Not in my games.

I know my core supporters. They aren't tourists. They are the core of the hobby.

I'm not going to disappoint that group.

That's how I feel about it, in all honesty.

As a fellow Ontarian, I have to smile when I read this.
I may not agree with all your viewpoints, but I certainly agree with this one.
Keep up the good work Mr. Gillespie.

Quote from: Melan on May 29, 2022, 07:08:23 AM
Good for Greg; hope he has tenure and can weather what's coming. And right on, it is a dwarf-themed dungeon, not an exercise in Maoism-Thirdworldism.

Quote from: SHARK on May 29, 2022, 01:49:49 AMI love how in Hungary, Woke teachers and professors have been banned and fired from any teaching position. They fucking Reee! Reee! about it of course, but to no avail. Brilliant move on the Hungarian government's part in getting a strong grip on the fucking incubating nest factory where all this bullshit begins.

That's not even remotely the case: neither bannings, nor firings have taken place, and universities are still dominantly left-leaning (although that's more like leftover Clinton-style neo-liberalism than the woke plague). Now, state support has been suspended for gender studies - meaning it can be taught, but must be financed privately - and the Soros-founded Central European University moved some of its operations to Vienna after it lost its previous privileges (imagine something like Disneyland's special status in Florida, and how it came to an end).

Discrimination against conservative staff - which was still going in the 2000s - is a lot less common these days, and the people who try to engage in it have a lot less power to do their tricks. For one, nobody pays attention to the newspapers that would be doing a cancellation, so these tools are a lot less effective (ironically, they are only effective against the leftists who still read them).

This balance/interregnum is really preferrable to an opposite situation where the right would run the institutions like the libs used to. We voted to get rid of that crap, not recreate it with a different colour.

Greetings!

I see, Melan. Thank you. Good to know! I'm glad to hear that some progress against the Marxist academia has been made.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: RPGPundit on May 27, 2022, 08:01:12 PM

Quote from: Gegilles on May 26, 2022, 11:27:27 AM
Yes it's me

If I want politics, I'll watch the news.

Get that shite the heck out of my dungeon crawling lol

I put the celebration of the game, its history, and my respect for Gygax first.

I made the comment because there's a group that seems to...expect it now. So...don't expect it lol

Not in my games.

I know my core supporters. They aren't tourists. They are the core of the hobby.

I'm not going to disappoint that group.

That's how I feel about it, in all honesty.

Welcome to theRPGsite!

Let me say that Barrowmaze is, bar none, the single best dungeon adventure in the history of the OSR.  If your new book is up to that standard it'll be well worth having I'm sure.

That is very kind. I appreciate you.

Quote from: Melan on May 29, 2022, 07:08:23 AM
Good for Greg; hope he has tenure and can weather what's coming. And right on, it is a dwarf-themed dungeon, not an exercise in Maoism-Thirdworldism.

Quote from: SHARK on May 29, 2022, 01:49:49 AMI love how in Hungary, Woke teachers and professors have been banned and fired from any teaching position. They fucking Reee! Reee! about it of course, but to no avail. Brilliant move on the Hungarian government's part in getting a strong grip on the fucking incubating nest factory where all this bullshit begins.

That's not even remotely the case: neither bannings, nor firings have taken place, and universities are still dominantly left-leaning (although that's more like leftover Clinton-style neo-liberalism than the woke plague). Now, state support has been suspended for gender studies - meaning it can be taught, but must be financed privately - and the Soros-founded Central European University moved some of its operations to Vienna after it lost its previous privileges (imagine something like Disneyland's special status in Florida, and how it came to an end).

Discrimination against conservative staff - which was still going in the 2000s - is a lot less common these days, and the people who try to engage in it have a lot less power to do their tricks. For one, nobody pays attention to the newspapers that would be doing a cancellation, so these tools are a lot less effective (ironically, they are only effective against the leftists who still read them).

This balance/interregnum is really preferrable to an opposite situation where the right would run the institutions like the libs used to. We voted to get rid of that crap, not recreate it with a different colour.

I'm going to disagree, respectfully. John Haidt suggests in his study there are 20 liberal professors in the US academy for every one conservative. I'd anecdotally suggest that number is higher in Canadian higher education. The purpose of the university has been overtaken from knowledge creation to social justice - across the humanities and social sciences particularly. So much so, that undergrads complain that all their courses are the same. Universities no longer care about the most important form of diversity — viewpoint diversity. This provides little space for conservative or moderate leaning young people with room to discuss their viewpoints openly. It has gone so far left, that professors self-censor for fear of being reported. Imagine that, in supposed institutions of higher learning. There are other facets to this discussion, such as campus climate and federal funding that are also influenced. So, as someone in the trenches, I disagree strongly.

Quote from: Gegilles on May 30, 2022, 08:46:17 PM

Quote from: Melan on May 29, 2022, 07:08:23 AM
Good for Greg; hope he has tenure and can weather what's coming. And right on, it is a dwarf-themed dungeon, not an exercise in Maoism-Thirdworldism.

Quote from: SHARK on May 29, 2022, 01:49:49 AMI love how in Hungary, Woke teachers and professors have been banned and fired from any teaching position. They fucking Reee! Reee! about it of course, but to no avail. Brilliant move on the Hungarian government's part in getting a strong grip on the fucking incubating nest factory where all this bullshit begins.

That's not even remotely the case: neither bannings, nor firings have taken place, and universities are still dominantly left-leaning (although that's more like leftover Clinton-style neo-liberalism than the woke plague). Now, state support has been suspended for gender studies - meaning it can be taught, but must be financed privately - and the Soros-founded Central European University moved some of its operations to Vienna after it lost its previous privileges (imagine something like Disneyland's special status in Florida, and how it came to an end).

Discrimination against conservative staff - which was still going in the 2000s - is a lot less common these days, and the people who try to engage in it have a lot less power to do their tricks. For one, nobody pays attention to the newspapers that would be doing a cancellation, so these tools are a lot less effective (ironically, they are only effective against the leftists who still read them).

This balance/interregnum is really preferrable to an opposite situation where the right would run the institutions like the libs used to. We voted to get rid of that crap, not recreate it with a different colour.

I'm going to disagree, respectfully. John Haidt suggests in his study there are 20 liberal professors in the US academy for every one conservative. I'd anecdotally suggest that number is higher in Canadian higher education. The purpose of the university has been overtaken from knowledge creation to social justice - across the humanities and social sciences particularly. So much so, that undergrads complain that all their courses are the same. Universities no longer care about the most important form of diversity — viewpoint diversity. This provides little space for conservative or moderate leaning young people with room to discuss their viewpoints openly. It has gone so far left, that professors self-censor for fear of being reported. Imagine that, in supposed institutions of higher learning. There are other facets to this discussion, such as campus climate and federal funding that are also influenced. So, as someone in the trenches, I disagree strongly.

Melan post refers to the situation in Hungary, not the US.

Quote from: DocJones on May 30, 2022, 09:02:11 PM

Quote from: Gegilles on May 30, 2022, 08:46:17 PM

Quote from: Melan on May 29, 2022, 07:08:23 AM
Good for Greg; hope he has tenure and can weather what's coming. And right on, it is a dwarf-themed dungeon, not an exercise in Maoism-Thirdworldism.

Quote from: SHARK on May 29, 2022, 01:49:49 AMI love how in Hungary, Woke teachers and professors have been banned and fired from any teaching position. They fucking Reee! Reee! about it of course, but to no avail. Brilliant move on the Hungarian government's part in getting a strong grip on the fucking incubating nest factory where all this bullshit begins.

That's not even remotely the case: neither bannings, nor firings have taken place, and universities are still dominantly left-leaning (although that's more like leftover Clinton-style neo-liberalism than the woke plague). Now, state support has been suspended for gender studies - meaning it can be taught, but must be financed privately - and the Soros-founded Central European University moved some of its operations to Vienna after it lost its previous privileges (imagine something like Disneyland's special status in Florida, and how it came to an end).

Discrimination against conservative staff - which was still going in the 2000s - is a lot less common these days, and the people who try to engage in it have a lot less power to do their tricks. For one, nobody pays attention to the newspapers that would be doing a cancellation, so these tools are a lot less effective (ironically, they are only effective against the leftists who still read them).

This balance/interregnum is really preferrable to an opposite situation where the right would run the institutions like the libs used to. We voted to get rid of that crap, not recreate it with a different colour.

I'm going to disagree, respectfully. John Haidt suggests in his study there are 20 liberal professors in the US academy for every one conservative. I'd anecdotally suggest that number is higher in Canadian higher education. The purpose of the university has been overtaken from knowledge creation to social justice - across the humanities and social sciences particularly. So much so, that undergrads complain that all their courses are the same. Universities no longer care about the most important form of diversity — viewpoint diversity. This provides little space for conservative or moderate leaning young people with room to discuss their viewpoints openly. It has gone so far left, that professors self-censor for fear of being reported. Imagine that, in supposed institutions of higher learning. There are other facets to this discussion, such as campus climate and federal funding that are also influenced. So, as someone in the trenches, I disagree strongly.

Melan post refers to the situation in Hungary, not the US.

Yes, I read that. But given I'm in North America I thought it appropriate to balance with the context here.

To add the American perspective here, I'm at a state university in the Deep South, where one might presume there's a bit more balance.  I'm in the History Department/Program in the School of Humanities.  Of the 22 full-time faculty in History, there is one person in addition to myself who identifies (very quietly) as centrist/right leaning.  Of the near 40 people in English/Literature I personally know of none who identify as anything other than liberal; usually pretty far left.  The Political Science Department as a whole is left of Mao.  The Philosophy & Religion Department has maybe 1 person in the middle.  So out of 60 plus faculty in our school there are maybe 3-4 who aren't on the left so far as I know, most of them very far that way.  And there's no sense that this is a problem.  Job ads still prioritize "diversity," which has nothing to do with diversity of ideas or research.  So it's pretty much like Greg's situation up north.