Since the kickstarter is closed, I guess we have to wait for the product to launch to buy it?

Since the kickstarter is closed, I guess we have to wait for the product to launch to buy it?

Maybe someone could contact the designer and let him know people are hearing about his project and are interested.  Maybe there is something he can do?  I mean more money is more money.

He's aware of this post, so I'm sure he'll see the latest replies eventually.

Cool.  I may be interested in purchasing it to help him out and counter the SJW's.

I technically missed the KS last year but just emailed the creator directly and got in.  I think his email is listed in there somewhere.  You could probably contact him about it.  He also has a Barrowmaze Facebook page & you could inquire there.  I don't do Facebook so I'm not sure.

I think it would be cool if we had a 'woke free' logo of some kind. Similar to the OSR logo (or like Pepsi free) so like-minded people could fly the flag so-to-speak.

Be good to send a signal to everyone to say that it can be done, and it might also encourage people who are on the fence or worried about repercussions.

Quote from: I on May 25, 2022, 11:19:44 AM

A good analogy might be the Chik-Fil-A thing from a few years ago.  Their business spiked after liberals boycotted it over Dan Cathy's comments on homosexuality.  Conservatives (and other non-political people sick of SJWs) didn't run and buy more Chik-Fil-A because they were cheering on his comments, even if they maybe agreed with them; they bought more Chik-Fil-A because liberals boycotted the chain and made conservatives angry enough to counter the boycott.

Yes, people threaten to boycott but the truth is, it doesn't work.  And its not just Liberals, Conservatives do too.   The fact of the matter is, their protests usually never work because too few actually boycott and like Chik-Fil-A, the other side makes up for the few people who boycott.

I think there's a mix. Some boycotts are completely toothless, some have only a small effect, and some have significant effect. In the case of Chik-Fil-A, the company announced in 2019 that it was changing it's charitable giving and no longer gave to anti-LGBT causes (link below). I think that was motivated by the boycott. I have a Chik-Fil-A in my town that opened up right around that time, and it's had long lines but that's after the change in charities.

https://web.archive.org/web/20191118161041/https://www.bisnow.com/national/news/retail/exclusive-amid-global-expansion-and-lgbt-pushback-chick-fil-a-changes-charitable-giving-structure-101818


In the Kickstarter, I wonder if there would have been less controversy if the initial campaign had that statement, rather than announcing it in a later update. Then the people who withdrew later might have just not backed it, rather than finding out and withdrawing. The same might happen in reverse if there was an OSR Kickstarter that at first didn't seem woke, but in an update affirmed some sort of woke values. Then conservatives who backed it might get angry.

I generally don't care about the politics of gaming products, but a lot of people do these days - so maybe it's better to be clear up front. (I care about politics, but I engage by means other than gaming.)

I just wanted to stop in and say how much I appreciate the people in this thread. It’s genuinely warming.

Only three people asked for refunds, which is just the unbalanced vocal minority, and more than that have flocked to the banner. So, net gain.

Dwarrowdeep is gonna be one for the ages. I mentioned on the ks site that Ed Greenwood has an advanced copy and really likes it. He’s writing a foreword for the monochrome version later this year.

Dwarrowdeep is no different than Barrowmaze, Archaia, or HighFell in tone. They all focus on good, solid gaming with not a sniff of unbalanced woke ideology. So, nothing here is news.

I started writing and designing games because I was sick of the wokism in academia over a decade ago. It has gotten much, much worse since then. I made the right decision lol

Edit: I was banned on the rpg.net site after one post. They do enjoy their echo chambers lol

If this is Greg's account I'd love to know how many people wanted to buy the product post comment vs the 3 who wanted a refund.

There's money to be made in Keeping Games as Games not using them as Political Propoganda.

Also, i'll be buying a second copy to give a friend when it comes out.  I wish the pledgemanager would open up again so I can back another copy.